Hi! I drew a prototype train called HSR-350x for the article dedicated to that prototype in order to avoid copyright infringements. But a Wikipedian, Robth, deleted the image because he said that the work was derivative of the original work. I gave reasons why the drawing was not a copyright infringement.
Then he said that A drawing that is a synthesis of a number of photographs would be acceptable. A drawing that is a near tracing of one photograph is not. Then I showed him all the images that look similar to my drawing.
Then Robth said, How was your image created? Certain elements of the composition (the angle, the yellow stripe) are strikingly similar to that of the original coprighted image. So I gave a close description of how I created the image. What do others think? ( Wikimachine 21:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC))
Hi Robth! Could you tell me what happened to the image for the train article? I don't think it violates any copyright laws. ( Wikimachine 01:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC))
I think that your copyright interpretation's unreasonable. By the way could you clarify what you mean by "composition" and "substance"? I have three other images, which according to you, would be copyright violations, but, by the editors around the articles in which the images were used, were accepted. Here are the following reasons why the drawing is not a copyright violation.
If you approve, I'll re-submit the image! ( Wikimachine 16:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC))
First, I searched for an image to draw from on daum.net... I collected what I thought were the best images. Among those (all from the same angle, because I thought it would look best from that angle if it were in the right side of the article), I just looked at one of the images & then first sketched it with a Steidtler 2H pencil & then colored it in with pencils. The paper is very large -about the size of 3 x 2 giant hands stretched out together. ( Wikimachine 02:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)) Here are some of my other images. ( Wikimachine 02:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC))
(P.S. The yellow stripe can be seen in more than 1 pic - 3 I think) A photographer takes image of one of a famous artist's paintings without the artist permission (still living). Then that's a copyright infringement, right? There is only one painting with the techniques, styles, and elements of art applied by the artist. And if you were to scan a picture of a car & then release it as your own work, then it's also copyright infringement. But if you were to take pic of the car yourself - even from the same angle & distance, it's not copyright infringement. Nor are each and every one of the pics copyright infringements of the other. Then, even if my drawing is similar to the pics online, under the framework that each and every one of the pics are not copyright infringements of the other (as long as they're not scanned & copied or traced), nor should my drawing be. My drawing is unique. No tracing. The colors I put in the drawing are unique. No sign of green in the actual pic. Nor any sign of blue. I put them. No sign of orange, I used the color. The angles are a little different too, I noticed. There was no ill intention of making a derivative work. ( Wikimachine 21:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC))
Hey! On the help desk, user Natalya says that "how I drew the image" should answer the question. So I replied with this. Thx. But here's the gray line. I searched all the images that had the nose on the right and the rest of the body stretching to the left of the image's frame (b/c I thought that would look best when placed in the right side of the article). And then, I picked the highest resolution image with the best overall "look" and color mix & drew. Would that qualify as "studied a number of different images and then drew one of your own". Please understand, it would have been impossible for me to draw an accurate image while making a "averaged coordinate-mapped" drawing & I focused on accuracy (b/c encyclopedias should be accurate). ( Wikimachine 23:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC))
Wikipedia:Help desk#Copyright problems regarding image (retrieved on 1/02/06) User talk:Robth#HSR-350x image (retrieved on 1/02/06)
Hi! I drew a prototype train called HSR-350x for the article dedicated to that prototype in order to avoid copyright infringements. But a Wikipedian, Robth, deleted the image because he said that the work was derivative of the original work. I gave reasons why the drawing was not a copyright infringement.
Then he said that A drawing that is a synthesis of a number of photographs would be acceptable. A drawing that is a near tracing of one photograph is not. Then I showed him all the images that look similar to my drawing.
Then Robth said, How was your image created? Certain elements of the composition (the angle, the yellow stripe) are strikingly similar to that of the original coprighted image. So I gave a close description of how I created the image. What do others think? ( Wikimachine 21:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC))
Hi Robth! Could you tell me what happened to the image for the train article? I don't think it violates any copyright laws. ( Wikimachine 01:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC))
I think that your copyright interpretation's unreasonable. By the way could you clarify what you mean by "composition" and "substance"? I have three other images, which according to you, would be copyright violations, but, by the editors around the articles in which the images were used, were accepted. Here are the following reasons why the drawing is not a copyright violation.
If you approve, I'll re-submit the image! ( Wikimachine 16:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC))
First, I searched for an image to draw from on daum.net... I collected what I thought were the best images. Among those (all from the same angle, because I thought it would look best from that angle if it were in the right side of the article), I just looked at one of the images & then first sketched it with a Steidtler 2H pencil & then colored it in with pencils. The paper is very large -about the size of 3 x 2 giant hands stretched out together. ( Wikimachine 02:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)) Here are some of my other images. ( Wikimachine 02:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC))
(P.S. The yellow stripe can be seen in more than 1 pic - 3 I think) A photographer takes image of one of a famous artist's paintings without the artist permission (still living). Then that's a copyright infringement, right? There is only one painting with the techniques, styles, and elements of art applied by the artist. And if you were to scan a picture of a car & then release it as your own work, then it's also copyright infringement. But if you were to take pic of the car yourself - even from the same angle & distance, it's not copyright infringement. Nor are each and every one of the pics copyright infringements of the other. Then, even if my drawing is similar to the pics online, under the framework that each and every one of the pics are not copyright infringements of the other (as long as they're not scanned & copied or traced), nor should my drawing be. My drawing is unique. No tracing. The colors I put in the drawing are unique. No sign of green in the actual pic. Nor any sign of blue. I put them. No sign of orange, I used the color. The angles are a little different too, I noticed. There was no ill intention of making a derivative work. ( Wikimachine 21:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC))
Hey! On the help desk, user Natalya says that "how I drew the image" should answer the question. So I replied with this. Thx. But here's the gray line. I searched all the images that had the nose on the right and the rest of the body stretching to the left of the image's frame (b/c I thought that would look best when placed in the right side of the article). And then, I picked the highest resolution image with the best overall "look" and color mix & drew. Would that qualify as "studied a number of different images and then drew one of your own". Please understand, it would have been impossible for me to draw an accurate image while making a "averaged coordinate-mapped" drawing & I focused on accuracy (b/c encyclopedias should be accurate). ( Wikimachine 23:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC))
Wikipedia:Help desk#Copyright problems regarding image (retrieved on 1/02/06) User talk:Robth#HSR-350x image (retrieved on 1/02/06)