EasternBloc BorderChange38-48.svg map description.
Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 12:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
GENERAL NOTES
(Additional issues copied from this user from me, Mosedschurte ( talk) 22:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC), from another Talk page):
Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 06:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
First, I hope it was ok that I was bold to make the changes. I don't mind at all somebody correcting further after me if he/she sees something. This is the part I change:
First, the entire territory was annexed by USSR from Romania (28 June 1940), then (2 August 1940) USSR out of most of the territory it already controls for over a month (the territory was under military occupation and had no legal status even in the USSR that month) creates Moldavian SSR, disbands Moldavian ASSR (which was part of Ukrainian SSR), and transfers a part of MASSR to Moldavian SSR. What remains in the north becomes (exactly, not approximately) the Chernivtsi oblast of Ukrainian SSR. What remains in the south becomes (exactly, not approximately) the Izmail oblast of Ukrainian SSR. Transnistria as currently understood in geographical terms refers to that part of MASSR that was transfered on 2 August 1940 to MSSR, which was created on the very same day. So it serves as a very good identifier. Izmail oblast was disbanded in 1953 or 1954, and became part of the Odessa Oblast of Ukrainian SSR. Budjak as currently understood (in the Middle Ages it was understood slightly larger, and topographically it is still understood slightly larger) is precisely (not approximately) the territory that became Izamil Oblast in 1940. So Budjak is a better identifier than Izmail Oblast, imho, b/c Budjak does not require the adjective "former". Dc76\ talk 23:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
In the article Satellite state it is written:
Soviet satellite states in Europe included: [1] [2] [3] [4]
- The People's Republic of Albania
- The People's Republic of Bulgaria
- The Czechoslovak Socialist Republic
- The German Democratic Republic
- The People's Republic of Poland
- The People's Republic of Romania
- The People's Republic of Hungary
The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is sometimes also referred to as a Soviet satellite, [1] [2] though it broke from the Soviet Union in the 1948 Tito-Stalin split and subsequently helped to form the Non-Aligned Movement.
— Satellite state ,
so Yugoslavia should be removed or colored with stripes or smt. like this -- 93.87.133.45 ( talk) 11:25, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
i disagree with a few points made by Ip User 93.87.133.45 but i do agree with some of this users points. here is my compromise it should be ok to include some small Grey lines indicating the internal republics of the Yugoslav federation. already theres some for the internal parts of czecoslovakia this would be no diffrent then the current map file already showing the republics of the soviet union. the internal republics dont even have to be named because they would not fit. only show small grey lines where the current republics are excluding kosovo of course because that would be too point of view unless it actually was not governed by serbian republic in the 1940's. also the puppet state republics of Yugoslavia made by Italy and germany should be excluded because the map is leaning more towards post ww2 era already and that the period from 1938 to 1945 is not really representd as well. its my understanding that the map is ment to be from the point of view of soviet Union anyways. i disagree with your point of just shading yugoslavia in two color strips. so far most of your points have been resolved and most of these satilite states are on the map but these long form names just chant be shown to scale to you will have to accept thos soviet republics the way they are represented on the map. i do agree that yugoslavia needs to show internal republics. but also dont forget to draw a line inside of czechoslovakia for its two internal republics and then the map will be complete. 69.221.170.231 ( talk) 13:06, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
I like the map so far i was just wondering if it could be impoved by including the the soviet zone in Austria . this section of austria was annexed to the soviet union so should be orange like danzig and Silesia and others. the only thing is it was a temporary annexation until austria regained self goverment after world war 2. 69.221.170.231 ( talk) 14:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
The Kaliningrad Oblast is labeled RFSFR. Presumably this is a typo and it should be labeled RSFSR, although I may be mistaken. LC007 ( talk) 00:06, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
rao280
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).EasternBloc BorderChange38-48.svg map description.
Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 12:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
GENERAL NOTES
(Additional issues copied from this user from me, Mosedschurte ( talk) 22:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC), from another Talk page):
Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 06:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
First, I hope it was ok that I was bold to make the changes. I don't mind at all somebody correcting further after me if he/she sees something. This is the part I change:
First, the entire territory was annexed by USSR from Romania (28 June 1940), then (2 August 1940) USSR out of most of the territory it already controls for over a month (the territory was under military occupation and had no legal status even in the USSR that month) creates Moldavian SSR, disbands Moldavian ASSR (which was part of Ukrainian SSR), and transfers a part of MASSR to Moldavian SSR. What remains in the north becomes (exactly, not approximately) the Chernivtsi oblast of Ukrainian SSR. What remains in the south becomes (exactly, not approximately) the Izmail oblast of Ukrainian SSR. Transnistria as currently understood in geographical terms refers to that part of MASSR that was transfered on 2 August 1940 to MSSR, which was created on the very same day. So it serves as a very good identifier. Izmail oblast was disbanded in 1953 or 1954, and became part of the Odessa Oblast of Ukrainian SSR. Budjak as currently understood (in the Middle Ages it was understood slightly larger, and topographically it is still understood slightly larger) is precisely (not approximately) the territory that became Izamil Oblast in 1940. So Budjak is a better identifier than Izmail Oblast, imho, b/c Budjak does not require the adjective "former". Dc76\ talk 23:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
In the article Satellite state it is written:
Soviet satellite states in Europe included: [1] [2] [3] [4]
- The People's Republic of Albania
- The People's Republic of Bulgaria
- The Czechoslovak Socialist Republic
- The German Democratic Republic
- The People's Republic of Poland
- The People's Republic of Romania
- The People's Republic of Hungary
The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is sometimes also referred to as a Soviet satellite, [1] [2] though it broke from the Soviet Union in the 1948 Tito-Stalin split and subsequently helped to form the Non-Aligned Movement.
— Satellite state ,
so Yugoslavia should be removed or colored with stripes or smt. like this -- 93.87.133.45 ( talk) 11:25, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
i disagree with a few points made by Ip User 93.87.133.45 but i do agree with some of this users points. here is my compromise it should be ok to include some small Grey lines indicating the internal republics of the Yugoslav federation. already theres some for the internal parts of czecoslovakia this would be no diffrent then the current map file already showing the republics of the soviet union. the internal republics dont even have to be named because they would not fit. only show small grey lines where the current republics are excluding kosovo of course because that would be too point of view unless it actually was not governed by serbian republic in the 1940's. also the puppet state republics of Yugoslavia made by Italy and germany should be excluded because the map is leaning more towards post ww2 era already and that the period from 1938 to 1945 is not really representd as well. its my understanding that the map is ment to be from the point of view of soviet Union anyways. i disagree with your point of just shading yugoslavia in two color strips. so far most of your points have been resolved and most of these satilite states are on the map but these long form names just chant be shown to scale to you will have to accept thos soviet republics the way they are represented on the map. i do agree that yugoslavia needs to show internal republics. but also dont forget to draw a line inside of czechoslovakia for its two internal republics and then the map will be complete. 69.221.170.231 ( talk) 13:06, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
I like the map so far i was just wondering if it could be impoved by including the the soviet zone in Austria . this section of austria was annexed to the soviet union so should be orange like danzig and Silesia and others. the only thing is it was a temporary annexation until austria regained self goverment after world war 2. 69.221.170.231 ( talk) 14:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
The Kaliningrad Oblast is labeled RFSFR. Presumably this is a typo and it should be labeled RSFSR, although I may be mistaken. LC007 ( talk) 00:06, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
rao280
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).