There is conscription in Lebanon, just as there is in Norway. 1 year. someone please correct the image. Sherwelbuilding ( talk) 21:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
1- Ethiopia(Africa) 2-Uruguay(America) 3- Chile(America) 4-Bolivia for seeing refrence go to the: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2024.html.
I do not Know how i Correct it, please correct it. thanks
∆ ✎) 11:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Poland has abolished conscription.
Mexico, have conscription coded in law, but doesnt enforce it. The Servicio Militar Nacional is more an civil service. youths in SMN doesnt take part in military activities besides some marching drills. The active and reserve military is an all-voluntary force. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.35.244 ( talk) 23:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
China (PRC) does not exercise conscription, at least according to the PLA article. This also sense, China's army of 2 million may sound large, but if China really exercised conscription it would be far larger, especially considering China is a comparatively young country.-- 90.199.141.162 ( talk) 01:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
We in Indonesia don't have conscription either. Matahari Pagi ( talk) 11:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Austria should be red, 73% of males are recruited, of which about 45% opt for alternative service, leaving the percentage of males that go to the army around 40%, usually just over. Ideally the map should account for alternative service, but even then it's still forced labour that is permitted as part of conscription, thus the 73% should count in Austria's case. 80.123.221.234 ( talk) 09:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't it technically be green? 76.117.247.55 ( talk) 08:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Japan should be green. Sweden has ended conscription recently. It should be blue. Conscription is legal in China (like in USA), but it's never practiced so it should be blue also. Afghanistan is red because even though the government and military are in shambles, it's expected de facto that all the men in the village will fight if there are enemies nearby. InMooseWeTrust ( talk) 15:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Germany will suspend conscription on 1 july 2011. Albania military is all professional since 2011. It should be blue. Conscription in Indonesia is legal and selective but not enforced for the long number of volunteers like China. the should be blue. Ethiopia have conscription but is not enforced. Zimbabwe have conscription. Should be red. Taiwan abolish conscription in 2014, it is orange now.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.48.208.99 ( talk) 01:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Kanzler31 ( talk) 02:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Need a red dot for Singapore, and blue dots for HK and Macau. 194.63.116.72 ( talk) 15:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Ethiopia atleast should be blue, as conscription does not exist: [1]. Also it seems Madagascar should be blue according to CIA [2], so should be Democratic Republic of Congo according to CIA and WRI that it has not practiced conscription. Uganda seems to be all-professional force as of 2010 according to CIA as well. Seems like this map has been done with the CIA reference, so this Wiki-map should be updated accordingly, with some cross-referencing for reliability. -- Pudeo ' 12:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Germany should be blue as of today, there's no longer any conscription since July 1st, 2011. -- Roentgenium111 ( talk) 13:33, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
This map needs to be updated to include the South Sudan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edfand ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
The Republic of China actively conscripts, although conscription is being phased out by 2015. The map should be updated with it in orange. Kiralexis ( talk) 21:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
There is conscription in Chile (per table and Military of Chile article) but the map shows that there is not! Oleg-ch ( talk) 14:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I propose we add a new category titled "Constitutional but suspended/not enforced" Gondor2222 ( talk) 00:14, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Russia should be yellow, as they are planning to abolish conscription-- 213.216.208.243 ( talk) 09:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Greenland should be blue. Greenland is a part of the Kingdom of Denmark. Denmark has conscription, but people from Greenland are exempt from military service. The same goes for The Faroe Islands (see [4] - (in Danish)). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.183.47.162 ( talk) 10:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Antarctica is currently coloured as "no enforced conscription." Yet, there is a colour option of "no standing army." The fact that Antarctica was not classified as "no standing army" implies that it does have a standing army, it's just not a conscripted army. Since Antarctica isn't even a country, how can it have a standing army, especially as the Madrid Protocol designates it as a 'natural reserve devoted to peace and science' ( /info/en/?search=Antarctica#Politics)?
Nice picture though
-- Wertyu739 ( talk) 01:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Denmark is marked as purple (as "Countries that have conscription by law, but not in practice."), however a small amount of the draftees each year aren't volunteers. In 2015 96.9% of the draftees were volunteers, while the rest were drafted through a lottery, and had to serve (an alternative civilian service is available though for those drafted in the lottery) or face up to 4 months jailtime as ruled by værnepligtsloven ('Conscription act'). Even according to the War resisters international the last known total objection case resulted in a penalty. Therefore mandatory conscription is still used also in practice (any able men may be conscripted through the lottery with no right to total objection without penalty), and Denmark should be marked red.-- XoravaX ( talk) 16:49, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
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Before commenting here I took a look at the
Conscription in Denmark article. That article makes no mention of an assertion that conscription in practice has ended in Denmark, but is states that conscription is the law in Denmark. I think this infographic needs to agree with that article, as articles are held to much higher standards of
verifiability than infographics are. If, however, the information in that article is wrong, it should be updated.
Unless the information in Conscription in Denmark changes, Denmark should be red in this image. Bradv 21:10, 10 December 2016 (UTC) |
I would agree with Brad. The infobox and section at Danish_Defence and as well as the article on Conscription in Denmark all indicate that conscription is active. If this is not accurate, it would be wise to start a discussion on one or both of those talk pages. You will find more individuals knowledgeable about this subject there. There is no distinction or disclaimer in the image about a certain minimum percentage this conscription needs to make up, nor punishments for disobeying, so that does not seem to be relevant. So I would say it should be red. (4th opinion) Dig Deeper ( talk) 22:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Ukraine is listed as planning to abolish conscription within 3 years. However this is false; the conscription was indeed abolished at the beginning of 2014, but was reinstated following the Maidan revolution and the Russian annexation of Crimea. CIA World Factbook also mentions that Ukraine has compulsory military service with a service obligation of 18 months. Therefore Ukraine should also be red.-- XoravaX ( talk) 14:13, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
The Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, Oleksandr Turchynov claimed on 30th November 2016 that conscription will not end in the immediate future. In the meanwhile, even though the use of conscripts in the war zone was ended, the conscript training goes on. So red until a date within the oncoming three years is announced for end of the conscription ( Roopeluhtala changed it to orange, as president Poroshenko had said that Ukraine should transfer to an all-volunteer force; however no date for the abolishment was announced, and orange is defined as planning to abolish conscription within 3 years).-- XoravaX ( talk) 16:51, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Roopeluhtala recently made an unilateral change of the definition of the purple colour as "countries that have conscription by law, but less than 20% of the whole age group are compelled to enlist", instead of "conscription by law, but not in practice". This is getting pretty silly, as we *don't* really have enough sources to define whether the countries where conscription is in use compel more than 20% of the age group, and how volunteers are measured in these countries (thus this leaves the map ill-sourced). Also, this change would require to change the status of the US and China to purple too, as they have conscription in their law ( US Military Selective Service Act and Military Service Law of the People's Republic of China), but they just don't draft at the moment, as volunteers fill the ranks well enough. This also creates a problem since Russia has serious problems concerning draft dodging ( around 235 000 dodged the draft in 2013 by avoiding the draft notification the previous year), and with 65% of the drafted being fit to serve in 2013, with 303 000 being drafted that year ( 153 000 at spring and 150 000 at fall), this results in that only slightly under 200 000 or 15% of the drafted age cohort of both sexes ( of 697 000 males and 665 000 females) served - thus Russia would go also as purple, as that's less than 20% of the cohort being compelled to serve. This is completely ridiculous as Russia's system is completely different from the US or China, but under the new definition for the purple colour all of them would be purple. Therefore I suggest that we get rid of the purple colour altogether, and define the red colour as countries that have an active draft system, regardless of the volunteer or intake percentages. This would count countries such as Norway, Denmark and Russia as countries that have conscription (as they all have an active draft system with differing percentages of volunteer intake and total intake), but countries such as the US and China would be blue as they don't have an active draft system, even though they have conscription by law. I'll issue a WP:RFC on this, as I'm quite sure we can't reach an agreement by ourselves. -- XoravaX ( talk) 20:12, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Should red be simplified to "active draft system" or should we keep purple? XoravaX ( talk) 21:18, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Roopeluhtala recently made an unilateral change also of the definition of the orange colour as "countries where the current government is planning to abolish conscription". This is very dubious compared to the previous definition of "countries that plan to abolish conscription within 3 years", which was clear and required decisions set to a certain date to happen to be made for the abolishment. Since I back the old definition as it is exact and clear versus the new one which is not clear (does it require decisions or not, what if the plan/opinion isn't shared across the government, what if there are just vague talks about it etc.), I'll ask a WP:3O on this to clarify this.-- XoravaX ( talk) 20:49, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
See File_talk:Conscription_map_of_the_world.svg#Orange_color_definition_has_been_changed for Roopeluhtala's stance. -- XoravaX ( talk) 20:51, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
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P.S. It is not binding, anyone can still write wherever he/she thinks its easier for him/her Gomoloko ( talk) 04:20, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Austria should be red. 73% of Austrian males are fit for service, and are thus conscripted, with approximately 45% subsequently choosing alternative service as conscientious objectors. Functionally, it is very different from countries like Norway or Denmark, for which purple seems to have been created, where an unwillingness to join the armed forces is generally sufficient to not be conscripted.
Haiti should be green Samalou ( talk) 15:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
There is conscription in Lebanon, just as there is in Norway. 1 year. someone please correct the image. Sherwelbuilding ( talk) 21:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
1- Ethiopia(Africa) 2-Uruguay(America) 3- Chile(America) 4-Bolivia for seeing refrence go to the: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2024.html.
I do not Know how i Correct it, please correct it. thanks
∆ ✎) 11:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Poland has abolished conscription.
Mexico, have conscription coded in law, but doesnt enforce it. The Servicio Militar Nacional is more an civil service. youths in SMN doesnt take part in military activities besides some marching drills. The active and reserve military is an all-voluntary force. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.35.244 ( talk) 23:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
China (PRC) does not exercise conscription, at least according to the PLA article. This also sense, China's army of 2 million may sound large, but if China really exercised conscription it would be far larger, especially considering China is a comparatively young country.-- 90.199.141.162 ( talk) 01:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
We in Indonesia don't have conscription either. Matahari Pagi ( talk) 11:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Austria should be red, 73% of males are recruited, of which about 45% opt for alternative service, leaving the percentage of males that go to the army around 40%, usually just over. Ideally the map should account for alternative service, but even then it's still forced labour that is permitted as part of conscription, thus the 73% should count in Austria's case. 80.123.221.234 ( talk) 09:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't it technically be green? 76.117.247.55 ( talk) 08:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Japan should be green. Sweden has ended conscription recently. It should be blue. Conscription is legal in China (like in USA), but it's never practiced so it should be blue also. Afghanistan is red because even though the government and military are in shambles, it's expected de facto that all the men in the village will fight if there are enemies nearby. InMooseWeTrust ( talk) 15:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Germany will suspend conscription on 1 july 2011. Albania military is all professional since 2011. It should be blue. Conscription in Indonesia is legal and selective but not enforced for the long number of volunteers like China. the should be blue. Ethiopia have conscription but is not enforced. Zimbabwe have conscription. Should be red. Taiwan abolish conscription in 2014, it is orange now.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.48.208.99 ( talk) 01:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Kanzler31 ( talk) 02:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Need a red dot for Singapore, and blue dots for HK and Macau. 194.63.116.72 ( talk) 15:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Ethiopia atleast should be blue, as conscription does not exist: [1]. Also it seems Madagascar should be blue according to CIA [2], so should be Democratic Republic of Congo according to CIA and WRI that it has not practiced conscription. Uganda seems to be all-professional force as of 2010 according to CIA as well. Seems like this map has been done with the CIA reference, so this Wiki-map should be updated accordingly, with some cross-referencing for reliability. -- Pudeo ' 12:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Germany should be blue as of today, there's no longer any conscription since July 1st, 2011. -- Roentgenium111 ( talk) 13:33, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
This map needs to be updated to include the South Sudan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edfand ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
The Republic of China actively conscripts, although conscription is being phased out by 2015. The map should be updated with it in orange. Kiralexis ( talk) 21:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
There is conscription in Chile (per table and Military of Chile article) but the map shows that there is not! Oleg-ch ( talk) 14:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I propose we add a new category titled "Constitutional but suspended/not enforced" Gondor2222 ( talk) 00:14, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Russia should be yellow, as they are planning to abolish conscription-- 213.216.208.243 ( talk) 09:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Greenland should be blue. Greenland is a part of the Kingdom of Denmark. Denmark has conscription, but people from Greenland are exempt from military service. The same goes for The Faroe Islands (see [4] - (in Danish)). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.183.47.162 ( talk) 10:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Antarctica is currently coloured as "no enforced conscription." Yet, there is a colour option of "no standing army." The fact that Antarctica was not classified as "no standing army" implies that it does have a standing army, it's just not a conscripted army. Since Antarctica isn't even a country, how can it have a standing army, especially as the Madrid Protocol designates it as a 'natural reserve devoted to peace and science' ( /info/en/?search=Antarctica#Politics)?
Nice picture though
-- Wertyu739 ( talk) 01:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Denmark is marked as purple (as "Countries that have conscription by law, but not in practice."), however a small amount of the draftees each year aren't volunteers. In 2015 96.9% of the draftees were volunteers, while the rest were drafted through a lottery, and had to serve (an alternative civilian service is available though for those drafted in the lottery) or face up to 4 months jailtime as ruled by værnepligtsloven ('Conscription act'). Even according to the War resisters international the last known total objection case resulted in a penalty. Therefore mandatory conscription is still used also in practice (any able men may be conscripted through the lottery with no right to total objection without penalty), and Denmark should be marked red.-- XoravaX ( talk) 16:49, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
![]() |
Before commenting here I took a look at the
Conscription in Denmark article. That article makes no mention of an assertion that conscription in practice has ended in Denmark, but is states that conscription is the law in Denmark. I think this infographic needs to agree with that article, as articles are held to much higher standards of
verifiability than infographics are. If, however, the information in that article is wrong, it should be updated.
Unless the information in Conscription in Denmark changes, Denmark should be red in this image. Bradv 21:10, 10 December 2016 (UTC) |
I would agree with Brad. The infobox and section at Danish_Defence and as well as the article on Conscription in Denmark all indicate that conscription is active. If this is not accurate, it would be wise to start a discussion on one or both of those talk pages. You will find more individuals knowledgeable about this subject there. There is no distinction or disclaimer in the image about a certain minimum percentage this conscription needs to make up, nor punishments for disobeying, so that does not seem to be relevant. So I would say it should be red. (4th opinion) Dig Deeper ( talk) 22:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Ukraine is listed as planning to abolish conscription within 3 years. However this is false; the conscription was indeed abolished at the beginning of 2014, but was reinstated following the Maidan revolution and the Russian annexation of Crimea. CIA World Factbook also mentions that Ukraine has compulsory military service with a service obligation of 18 months. Therefore Ukraine should also be red.-- XoravaX ( talk) 14:13, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
The Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, Oleksandr Turchynov claimed on 30th November 2016 that conscription will not end in the immediate future. In the meanwhile, even though the use of conscripts in the war zone was ended, the conscript training goes on. So red until a date within the oncoming three years is announced for end of the conscription ( Roopeluhtala changed it to orange, as president Poroshenko had said that Ukraine should transfer to an all-volunteer force; however no date for the abolishment was announced, and orange is defined as planning to abolish conscription within 3 years).-- XoravaX ( talk) 16:51, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Roopeluhtala recently made an unilateral change of the definition of the purple colour as "countries that have conscription by law, but less than 20% of the whole age group are compelled to enlist", instead of "conscription by law, but not in practice". This is getting pretty silly, as we *don't* really have enough sources to define whether the countries where conscription is in use compel more than 20% of the age group, and how volunteers are measured in these countries (thus this leaves the map ill-sourced). Also, this change would require to change the status of the US and China to purple too, as they have conscription in their law ( US Military Selective Service Act and Military Service Law of the People's Republic of China), but they just don't draft at the moment, as volunteers fill the ranks well enough. This also creates a problem since Russia has serious problems concerning draft dodging ( around 235 000 dodged the draft in 2013 by avoiding the draft notification the previous year), and with 65% of the drafted being fit to serve in 2013, with 303 000 being drafted that year ( 153 000 at spring and 150 000 at fall), this results in that only slightly under 200 000 or 15% of the drafted age cohort of both sexes ( of 697 000 males and 665 000 females) served - thus Russia would go also as purple, as that's less than 20% of the cohort being compelled to serve. This is completely ridiculous as Russia's system is completely different from the US or China, but under the new definition for the purple colour all of them would be purple. Therefore I suggest that we get rid of the purple colour altogether, and define the red colour as countries that have an active draft system, regardless of the volunteer or intake percentages. This would count countries such as Norway, Denmark and Russia as countries that have conscription (as they all have an active draft system with differing percentages of volunteer intake and total intake), but countries such as the US and China would be blue as they don't have an active draft system, even though they have conscription by law. I'll issue a WP:RFC on this, as I'm quite sure we can't reach an agreement by ourselves. -- XoravaX ( talk) 20:12, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Should red be simplified to "active draft system" or should we keep purple? XoravaX ( talk) 21:18, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Roopeluhtala recently made an unilateral change also of the definition of the orange colour as "countries where the current government is planning to abolish conscription". This is very dubious compared to the previous definition of "countries that plan to abolish conscription within 3 years", which was clear and required decisions set to a certain date to happen to be made for the abolishment. Since I back the old definition as it is exact and clear versus the new one which is not clear (does it require decisions or not, what if the plan/opinion isn't shared across the government, what if there are just vague talks about it etc.), I'll ask a WP:3O on this to clarify this.-- XoravaX ( talk) 20:49, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
See File_talk:Conscription_map_of_the_world.svg#Orange_color_definition_has_been_changed for Roopeluhtala's stance. -- XoravaX ( talk) 20:51, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
About the Third Opinion request: The request for a Third Opinion has been removed (i.e. declined) Like all other moderated content dispute resolution venues at Wikipedia, 3O requires thorough talk page discussion before seeking assistance. If an editor will not discuss, consider the recommendations which are made here. — TransporterMan ( TALK) 17:47, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Dear wiki-fellows, I would like to inform you that this Wikimedia Commons file also has a conversation page here. Given that people from different countries will most propably have access to the universal file, I give a redirection there, so as to avoid parallel conversations, and everyone from here will also get informed the same time about new content. I was not aware of the present page till now either..
P.S. It is not binding, anyone can still write wherever he/she thinks its easier for him/her Gomoloko ( talk) 04:20, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Austria should be red. 73% of Austrian males are fit for service, and are thus conscripted, with approximately 45% subsequently choosing alternative service as conscientious objectors. Functionally, it is very different from countries like Norway or Denmark, for which purple seems to have been created, where an unwillingness to join the armed forces is generally sufficient to not be conscripted.
Haiti should be green Samalou ( talk) 15:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)