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Well this is strange. Wikipedia:Volapük Wikipedia appears to be, by every indication, an article. It's categorized, referenced, has incoming links -- even linked by Template:Wikipedias and, most significantly, Volapük Wikipedia itself. It looks like the second AfD was kind of confusing. !votes were almost all for keep, but the arguments somewhat lacking, so the article moved to the Wikipedia namespace as a sort of compromise (pinging AfD closer, King of Hearts). It's an itneresting idea for a closing option, since it's an article about Wikipedia and the Wikipedia namespace is for pages about Wikipedia, but because it's constructed as an article and treated as an article, the close was effectively keep but move to a namespace that isn't for articles. To me, articles related to Wikipedia shouldn't have any privilege/exception when it comes to AfD. If the consensus was not to keep, there shouldn't be a purgatory just because Wikipedia has a namespace for itself (just as Wikipedia-related articles aren't automatically kept in general). It seems like the best options are (a) stop treating it like an article, unlink it from other article namespace pages, change the Volapük Wikipedia redirect back to List of Wikipedias, and keep this in the Wikipedia namespace as a strange one-of-a-kind (to my knowledge) pseudoarticle. (b) stop treating it like an article (as above) and move to the Drafts namespace until improvements can be made. (c) move it to the article namespace and, if someone wishes, start a new AfD. Thoughts? --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:33, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No moved. Per comments pointing out that this was moved to Wikipedia space through an AfD decision, the correct procedure would be to overturn that decision through WP:DRV. Note that the AfD decision determined that the Volapük Wikipedia page in main space should redirect to List of Wikipedias, and it was only later changed to redirect to Wikipedia:Volapük Wikipedia. I am reverting that redirect, and retargeting it back to List of Wikipedias. Again, that can be contested in the AfD review process if users do not agree with the decision that was made there. ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 22:17, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Volapük Wikipedia →
Volapük Wikipedia – This is in the wrong Namespace, this is an article, should either be in article space or deleted.
Abrahamic Faiths (
talk)
01:05, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Draft:Volapük Wikipedia. I'm ignoring the rules because consensus on article titles shouldn't be generated at a deletion discussion, that's what requested moves is for. I have read the whole AFD and it seems the closer moved it there because it's kind of internal and so as to avoid complete deletion. I get that, but it's clear that the Wikipedia namespace is the wrong place for it. Therefore, I'm incubating it in the draftspace. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 22:17, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Volapük Wikipedia → Volapük Wikipedia – See Volapük Wikipedia (Q714826) in Wikidata. Why is only English Wp using the Wikipedia Namespace and redirecting Volapük Wikipedia to List of Wikipedias? X1\ ( talk) 20:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@ StraussInTheHouse: what is the status of the incubating it in the draftspace? I have not found where the progress of this already developed article is. Its lack of apparent progress is already having impact. X1\ ( talk) 23:57, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Dekimasu: Do you know the status of this Draft? Do I {{subst:submit}} to continue? It shouldn't have an issue moving to articlespace, replacing the Redirect page. X1\ ( talk) 00:18, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
The history to this page is bizarre. My first thought on reading this draft was to accept it. On seeing the long strange history, it appears that multiple efforts to obtain consensus have had various conclusions, but that the most current view seems to be to go ahead and accept it again. Rather than having the existing redirect deleted, I will move it to some dustbin. Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC) User:X1, User:StraussInTheHouse Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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Well this is strange. Wikipedia:Volapük Wikipedia appears to be, by every indication, an article. It's categorized, referenced, has incoming links -- even linked by Template:Wikipedias and, most significantly, Volapük Wikipedia itself. It looks like the second AfD was kind of confusing. !votes were almost all for keep, but the arguments somewhat lacking, so the article moved to the Wikipedia namespace as a sort of compromise (pinging AfD closer, King of Hearts). It's an itneresting idea for a closing option, since it's an article about Wikipedia and the Wikipedia namespace is for pages about Wikipedia, but because it's constructed as an article and treated as an article, the close was effectively keep but move to a namespace that isn't for articles. To me, articles related to Wikipedia shouldn't have any privilege/exception when it comes to AfD. If the consensus was not to keep, there shouldn't be a purgatory just because Wikipedia has a namespace for itself (just as Wikipedia-related articles aren't automatically kept in general). It seems like the best options are (a) stop treating it like an article, unlink it from other article namespace pages, change the Volapük Wikipedia redirect back to List of Wikipedias, and keep this in the Wikipedia namespace as a strange one-of-a-kind (to my knowledge) pseudoarticle. (b) stop treating it like an article (as above) and move to the Drafts namespace until improvements can be made. (c) move it to the article namespace and, if someone wishes, start a new AfD. Thoughts? --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:33, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No moved. Per comments pointing out that this was moved to Wikipedia space through an AfD decision, the correct procedure would be to overturn that decision through WP:DRV. Note that the AfD decision determined that the Volapük Wikipedia page in main space should redirect to List of Wikipedias, and it was only later changed to redirect to Wikipedia:Volapük Wikipedia. I am reverting that redirect, and retargeting it back to List of Wikipedias. Again, that can be contested in the AfD review process if users do not agree with the decision that was made there. ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 22:17, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Volapük Wikipedia →
Volapük Wikipedia – This is in the wrong Namespace, this is an article, should either be in article space or deleted.
Abrahamic Faiths (
talk)
01:05, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Draft:Volapük Wikipedia. I'm ignoring the rules because consensus on article titles shouldn't be generated at a deletion discussion, that's what requested moves is for. I have read the whole AFD and it seems the closer moved it there because it's kind of internal and so as to avoid complete deletion. I get that, but it's clear that the Wikipedia namespace is the wrong place for it. Therefore, I'm incubating it in the draftspace. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 22:17, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Volapük Wikipedia → Volapük Wikipedia – See Volapük Wikipedia (Q714826) in Wikidata. Why is only English Wp using the Wikipedia Namespace and redirecting Volapük Wikipedia to List of Wikipedias? X1\ ( talk) 20:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@ StraussInTheHouse: what is the status of the incubating it in the draftspace? I have not found where the progress of this already developed article is. Its lack of apparent progress is already having impact. X1\ ( talk) 23:57, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Dekimasu: Do you know the status of this Draft? Do I {{subst:submit}} to continue? It shouldn't have an issue moving to articlespace, replacing the Redirect page. X1\ ( talk) 00:18, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
The history to this page is bizarre. My first thought on reading this draft was to accept it. On seeing the long strange history, it appears that multiple efforts to obtain consensus have had various conclusions, but that the most current view seems to be to go ahead and accept it again. Rather than having the existing redirect deleted, I will move it to some dustbin. Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC) User:X1, User:StraussInTheHouse Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC)