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I took a quick pass over this to remove spam and promo. I need to take a few more. There is a Wikipedia article here. Folks working on this, please see User:Jytdog/How to get your head around the mission of WP and the policies and guidelines through which the editing community tries to realize the mission. Please do read all of it, but before you turn to try to work on this again please especially review the part at User:Jytdog/How#New_articles which gives as-clear-as-I-can-make-them guidance to writing an article from scratch.
Folks started with really bad sources and aimed at writing technical content, often throwing some reference behind some bit of content they wrote based on what they already knew. (it is really easy to see this)
Instead start with the highest quality secondary sources you can get your hands on, summarize them, and only reach for lower quality sources if there is some key part of the story that isn't told in the very good refs. I use press releases sometimes, but they are only for something like an exact date. Not for anything significant.
Please aim for the general public, not for IT people.
Simple content sourced to very strong refs, will be OK, everytime. Hyperdetailed content based on a bunch of self-published sources and blogs will fail almost everytime. We are an encyclopedia, not part of the blogosphere. Jytdog ( talk) 00:31, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Disclaimer, I am an OPNsense volunteer developer.
The project name is "OPNsense", and an older draft exists under this name already. The drafts should be merged to concentrate efforts under the correct name?
The developer is not Deciso as the project was created as an open source community effort with broader roots beyond the control of a single company. 2 of the 4 core team members are not affiliated with Deciso and the article should properly reflect that, best by naming the core developers instead of Deciso. But it is still true that Deciso is the founder. It's hard to get a permitable source for this, but it's also wrong to assume that in the absence of a source that things are different. Maybe the open source code [1] can act as a verification of the core member names [2].
A thank you to everyone who worked on this. <3
Netfitch ( talk) 07:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
@ Jytdog. I noticed that you had removed the latest release information for OPNsense from the article which I edited. In my view this is important from a security POV as this is a network firewall and regular releases are important from this perspective and is something that any security professional would be looking for when they look for information. This is similar to the infobox of other software distributions like FreeBSD, firewall disributions like IPFire and security products Avast_Antivirus. Your comment was that this is not encyclopedic and is not a web-host which I think is not applicable as this is an important info.
Another info that I believe is important is the languages supported which was also removed earlier as these are some of the information that is required. Also the infobox template that was used has all these info which is the right content for such articles. Hagennos ( talk) 18:13, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
security professionals.
I would like to suggest adding a heading before the WIPO section as this needs a separator from the previous paragraph (full topic switch). Fabianfrz ( talk) 09:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
User:Staszek Lem, I have removed the N tag. This was passed through AfC legitimately. I commented there that I am not sure this would pass AfD so have nominated it. This is an instance where I find an N tag to be simply... pointless. Jytdog ( talk) 20:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
There are zillion tonnes of legal bickering all over all businesses. Are we going to litter Wikipedia with these? Unless the case gained reasonable independent publicity, IMO it should not be included into encyclopedia. Right now it is base solely on a primary source, so I suggest to remove it (from both pages). Staszek Lem ( talk) 21:52, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on 11 December 2017. The result of the discussion was keep. |
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I took a quick pass over this to remove spam and promo. I need to take a few more. There is a Wikipedia article here. Folks working on this, please see User:Jytdog/How to get your head around the mission of WP and the policies and guidelines through which the editing community tries to realize the mission. Please do read all of it, but before you turn to try to work on this again please especially review the part at User:Jytdog/How#New_articles which gives as-clear-as-I-can-make-them guidance to writing an article from scratch.
Folks started with really bad sources and aimed at writing technical content, often throwing some reference behind some bit of content they wrote based on what they already knew. (it is really easy to see this)
Instead start with the highest quality secondary sources you can get your hands on, summarize them, and only reach for lower quality sources if there is some key part of the story that isn't told in the very good refs. I use press releases sometimes, but they are only for something like an exact date. Not for anything significant.
Please aim for the general public, not for IT people.
Simple content sourced to very strong refs, will be OK, everytime. Hyperdetailed content based on a bunch of self-published sources and blogs will fail almost everytime. We are an encyclopedia, not part of the blogosphere. Jytdog ( talk) 00:31, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Disclaimer, I am an OPNsense volunteer developer.
The project name is "OPNsense", and an older draft exists under this name already. The drafts should be merged to concentrate efforts under the correct name?
The developer is not Deciso as the project was created as an open source community effort with broader roots beyond the control of a single company. 2 of the 4 core team members are not affiliated with Deciso and the article should properly reflect that, best by naming the core developers instead of Deciso. But it is still true that Deciso is the founder. It's hard to get a permitable source for this, but it's also wrong to assume that in the absence of a source that things are different. Maybe the open source code [1] can act as a verification of the core member names [2].
A thank you to everyone who worked on this. <3
Netfitch ( talk) 07:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
@ Jytdog. I noticed that you had removed the latest release information for OPNsense from the article which I edited. In my view this is important from a security POV as this is a network firewall and regular releases are important from this perspective and is something that any security professional would be looking for when they look for information. This is similar to the infobox of other software distributions like FreeBSD, firewall disributions like IPFire and security products Avast_Antivirus. Your comment was that this is not encyclopedic and is not a web-host which I think is not applicable as this is an important info.
Another info that I believe is important is the languages supported which was also removed earlier as these are some of the information that is required. Also the infobox template that was used has all these info which is the right content for such articles. Hagennos ( talk) 18:13, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
security professionals.
I would like to suggest adding a heading before the WIPO section as this needs a separator from the previous paragraph (full topic switch). Fabianfrz ( talk) 09:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
User:Staszek Lem, I have removed the N tag. This was passed through AfC legitimately. I commented there that I am not sure this would pass AfD so have nominated it. This is an instance where I find an N tag to be simply... pointless. Jytdog ( talk) 20:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
There are zillion tonnes of legal bickering all over all businesses. Are we going to litter Wikipedia with these? Unless the case gained reasonable independent publicity, IMO it should not be included into encyclopedia. Right now it is base solely on a primary source, so I suggest to remove it (from both pages). Staszek Lem ( talk) 21:52, 11 December 2017 (UTC)