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WP:Three Notable Sources
My goal is for the citations to show facts, rather than opinions. Here is a list of what I consider to be the most notable facts. Based upon the WP:Three instructions, the notability of the secondary sources as well as the notability of the content present in the sources are factors that confirm their notability. The three sources that I consider to provide the most notable facts are:
1) James, George (1999-08-01).
"LAW AND ORDER; Life Among the Lifers Was Good". The New York Times.
ISSN0362-4331. Retrieved 2024-02-26. This article is in the New York Times. I imagine that is a notable source. In this article the prison Corrections Officer who worked with the Lifers Group and their music project describes the positive experience he had working with them. That is a unique statement, which I interpret as creating notability.
2)
"Criminal Street Gangs 1993."www.nj.gov. I think this is a notable citation because it was written by the government of the state of New Jersey. In the draft page there are other citations of governmental sources. Retrieved 2024-02-27
3) "Lifers Group." americanhistory.si.edu. Retrieved 2024-02-26. The notability of this citation is that it shows that a national cultural institution has acquired objects that provide them a record of the work of Maxwell Melvins. The value of this citation is that it shows that a respected national organization found Melvins’ work to be worth historical preservation.
NOTE): if the New Jersey government citation and the Smithsonian citation seem like the same thing––because they are both government organizations, I include here the citation of a monograph: Wormser, Richard (1991). Lifers: learn the truth at the expense of our sorrow. Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Messner.
ISBN978-0-671-72548-8. The author, Richard Wormser, is a respected scholar who has his own Wikipedia bio page.
KwabenaSlaughter (
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17:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
In relation to the 3 sources (
WP:THREE) you provide:
1. Melvins is not mentioned (let alone discussed in detail) in this article.
2. This report is a
primary source so it does not contribute to establishing notability. For this report to be reelvant in contributing to establish Melvins's notability are secondary sources that discuss, in detail, this report--assuming that Melvins, as opposed to the Lifers Group, is discussed in detail.
3. Again, this LP (audio record) is a primary source. Further, it is a gift of the subject to the Museum. It caries some weight but in my view does not meet
WP:RS.
The subject has potential, but none of these sources establish his notability (as defined). I would encourage you to persevere and to please
peruse the links I included above which you should find very helpful in understanding what is required for a draft page to be accepted. You might find it more productive to draft a page for the Lifers Group since they would seem to garner more coverage than Melvins, and in due course submit Melvins' draft.
I think this page about Maxwell Melvins fits the #1 criteria in the WP:MUSICBIO “criteria for musicians and ensembles”. The cited content shows that his work was addressed in newspapers, Grammy Award nominations, government documents, printed monographs, and content from his work has been accessioned by governmental cultural organizations (such as the Smithsonian). The Grammy Award nomination also fits the page into criteria #8.
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17:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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WP:Three Notable Sources
My goal is for the citations to show facts, rather than opinions. Here is a list of what I consider to be the most notable facts. Based upon the WP:Three instructions, the notability of the secondary sources as well as the notability of the content present in the sources are factors that confirm their notability. The three sources that I consider to provide the most notable facts are:
1) James, George (1999-08-01).
"LAW AND ORDER; Life Among the Lifers Was Good". The New York Times.
ISSN0362-4331. Retrieved 2024-02-26. This article is in the New York Times. I imagine that is a notable source. In this article the prison Corrections Officer who worked with the Lifers Group and their music project describes the positive experience he had working with them. That is a unique statement, which I interpret as creating notability.
2)
"Criminal Street Gangs 1993."www.nj.gov. I think this is a notable citation because it was written by the government of the state of New Jersey. In the draft page there are other citations of governmental sources. Retrieved 2024-02-27
3) "Lifers Group." americanhistory.si.edu. Retrieved 2024-02-26. The notability of this citation is that it shows that a national cultural institution has acquired objects that provide them a record of the work of Maxwell Melvins. The value of this citation is that it shows that a respected national organization found Melvins’ work to be worth historical preservation.
NOTE): if the New Jersey government citation and the Smithsonian citation seem like the same thing––because they are both government organizations, I include here the citation of a monograph: Wormser, Richard (1991). Lifers: learn the truth at the expense of our sorrow. Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Messner.
ISBN978-0-671-72548-8. The author, Richard Wormser, is a respected scholar who has his own Wikipedia bio page.
KwabenaSlaughter (
talk)
17:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
In relation to the 3 sources (
WP:THREE) you provide:
1. Melvins is not mentioned (let alone discussed in detail) in this article.
2. This report is a
primary source so it does not contribute to establishing notability. For this report to be reelvant in contributing to establish Melvins's notability are secondary sources that discuss, in detail, this report--assuming that Melvins, as opposed to the Lifers Group, is discussed in detail.
3. Again, this LP (audio record) is a primary source. Further, it is a gift of the subject to the Museum. It caries some weight but in my view does not meet
WP:RS.
The subject has potential, but none of these sources establish his notability (as defined). I would encourage you to persevere and to please
peruse the links I included above which you should find very helpful in understanding what is required for a draft page to be accepted. You might find it more productive to draft a page for the Lifers Group since they would seem to garner more coverage than Melvins, and in due course submit Melvins' draft.
I think this page about Maxwell Melvins fits the #1 criteria in the WP:MUSICBIO “criteria for musicians and ensembles”. The cited content shows that his work was addressed in newspapers, Grammy Award nominations, government documents, printed monographs, and content from his work has been accessioned by governmental cultural organizations (such as the Smithsonian). The Grammy Award nomination also fits the page into criteria #8.
KwabenaSlaughter (
talk)
17:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
