I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Not notable as currently written, with his publication record to date, no major national or international awards and no articles about him. Just having a chair is not enough. Please improve, as otherwise it would be appropriate to either move it back to a draft or have a deletion discussion.

Ldm1954 ( talk) 12:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC) reply

?hi @ Ldm1954: can yo uplease point me to the correct page for the relevance of a university professor. what i notice, if i reply here with a question mark the editor tries to put it in the beginning like in spanish. you have it as well? ThurnerRupert ( talk) 07:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

The relevant page is WP:NPROF (linked, as are others below) which lists the various criteria. He has made a good start, but his h-factors of 34 is low compared to major figures in his area. A low h-factor can be compensated for by major awards such as APS Fellow, FRS (UK) or similarly. His Aug 2022 CV has only minor awards, and grants ($$) don't count unless they are vast -- this is considered part of the job. If there were multiple articles about him that would also help, but I don't see any in a quick sesrch. It may be WP:TOO SOON.

N.B., I don't get a ? at the be beginning, but the built in editor can sometimes be quirky. Ldm1954 ( talk) 11:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

is following applicable? "The person has held a distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, a named chair appointment that indicates a comparable level of achievement, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon." becoming one of the 122 ETH professors, ETHZ beeing number 11 in times world ranking, number 9 in physical sciences seems to be challenging? ThurnerRupert ( talk) 07:28, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Sorry, but 1 of 122 is not distinguished. 1 of 10 would be. Nic Spencer is notable, here but does not seem to have a page. He is a comparison point. Ldm1954 ( talk) 07:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

thank you for the reference. let me check this in more detail. currently i am looking at staff numbers of MIT, and ethz employs 13'000 persons, 7'000 scientific staff, 500 or so professors. they have ca 100 assistant professors, not sure how many associate professors, and full professors. prein is full professor. ThurnerRupert ( talk) 15:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Full Prof is not notable by itself, sorry, staff numbers don't matter. Ldm1954 ( talk) 15:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Minor clarification. Many years ago a strong university department, for instance an Oxbridge chemistry department, would have one "Professor" who ran the place and had all sorts of awards. I just counted and the Oxford chemistry department has 50 full professors (!). It is "professor inflation", somewhat similar to "grade inflation". Ldm1954 ( talk) 15:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

oh, really? am looking at one of them, luet wong, which states: "appointed to a tenured University Lectureship and a Fellowship at St Hugh’s College" and then "took up the title of Professor of Chemistry in 2019". what does this mean? i can make out a difference between "assistant professor" and "professor" on the staff page, they do not have associate and full isn't it? at eth they seem to appoint 30 per year, from 1990 - 2002. 2023 there were 16 full professors appointed, and 18 full professors leaving. 40 or so professors in total were new. [https://ethrat.ch/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/ETHR_GB22_DE_WEB_230413.pdf 2022 it seemed to be approximately the same number, 30 for both ETH lausanne and zürich, out of 85 new professors. but i could not find if there is full professor inflation as well. there is an ETH council which publishes the number for both universities, zürich and lausanne. 2017 there were 31'000 students and 850 profs, 2023 37'000 students and 900 profs, for both. full professors for ETHZ seem to be around 400, less than professional highest league scoccer players. a bad comparison i know :) ThurnerRupert ( talk) 08:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

The Oxford "title of Professor of Chemistry" now means exactly the same as "Full Professor" elsewhere (where they also have assistant and associate). Titles have changed, Oxford did this to try and improve their recruiting.

The key issue remains that the page, as currently written, does not prove that he passes the notability criteria for academics. You have to amend it so it convinces a reader who comes upon it fresh, rather than debate here. I am sure that he is an outstanding scientist, but as yet he does not have the proof. Wikipedia is quite conservative, only goes for established concepts and there is a "guilty until proven innocent" approach. The article WP:TOOSOON may be useful.

If you cannot find additional material it is probably best that I move the article back to a draft. So long as you edit it every now and then it can stay there until he gets the additional notice when you can resubmit. I view this as gentler than the alternative where I nominate it for deletion, which would then be discussed. Ldm1954 ( talk) 10:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply