Has anyone compared these two categories? Which articles and which subcategories are placed in each seems partly arbitrary. I propose either merging the two categories, or restricting the "Motorcycles" category to actual models, brands, and types of motorcycles, and put everything else in "Motorcycling". -- Allen 03:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I think that's a perfectly reasonable position. Did you read my original post above? One solution I suggested was to move everything that didn't involve types of motorcycles into Category:Motorcycling. (The biggest change would be making Motorcycling, rather than Motorcycles, the parent category of a bunch of subcategories.) But based on the two responses I got, I merged them instead. I don't mind moving everything back, but let's wait to hear some more opinions. If no one else posts here, I'll post something at WP:CFD to make sure we get enough eyeballs for a consensus. -- Allen 05:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how you do that but from what I read on the WP:CFD page what we want to do does not really fit any of the criteria there either. Maybe go ask and admin what's the best approach for the result we would like, or maybe Hooperbloob knows. Cheers ww2censor 20:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and added Category:Motorcycles to Category:Motorcycling. (Seems like a small enough change to just go ahead and do.) I think it might be a good idea to add some verbage to the top of Motorcycles mentioning that it is a sub-cat of Motorcycling. Also, should the article name Motorcycling redirect to Motorcycles? That seems to be in direct conflict with the Motorcycling->Motorcycles category structure. -- Pi3832 22:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
So I'm a neophyte and can't figure out how to edit the main page. Sorry. "Buell Motorcycle Company" should be added to the list of motorcycle manufacturers; it has a decent article that isn't linked directly here (though Erik Buell is, and maybe shouldn't be).
Does anyone know why Suzuki GS500 is showing up on this cat page in addition to the Suzuki Motorcycles cat page? I fiddled some but couldn't figure it out. It shouldn't be on this page. -- Pi3832 14:20, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
OK-Supreme (motorcycles) does not appear to be on the list... Seasalt 14:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that nearly all the UK manufacturers are categorized many times under 'Motorcycles', 'Motorcycling', 'Motorcycle manufacturers' and 'Motorcycle manufacturers of the United Kingdom'. For example see Royal Enfield. Since '...of the United Kingdom' falls under the other categories, I'm planning to remove the other categories. Justification -- "An article should usually not be in both a category and its subcategory", see Categories, lists and series boxes. -- Brianhe 06:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Then it will only appear on the United Kingdom page and not on the manufacturers page. What is the logic of not being able to find a motorcycle manufacturer under that category, and being required to know the country of manufacture to find it? It does not seem very logical, but will follow suit. (Just checked Buell), which is in both USA and manufacturers.) Seasalt 06:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Fixed Buell, now is in US cat only. The whole notion of hierarchical categories would fall apart if everything was rolled up into superior categories -- the number of articles would quickly become unmanageable for all but the most specific categories. -- Brianhe 07:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, now I know, I'll keep that limitation in mind. Seasalt 07:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
More guidelines & justifications are at Wikipedia:Categorization/Categories and subcategories. -- Brianhe 08:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Does it make sense to mix racing motorcycles in with production motorcycles? I would suggest a subcategory for racing machines under Motorcycles, or maybe a sub under each manufacturer. JZH
The number of sub-categories is getting rather large. I suggest creating two new sub-categories
-- Brianhe 21:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC) / edited 02:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I personally don't know how to fix this, but the 'upcoming motorcycles' subcategory is recursive. That is, clicking it reveals 'upcoming motorcycles' as a subcategory, clicking that reveals 'upcoming motorcycles' as a subcategory, ad infinitum. If you know how to fix that, please do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.170.253.212 ( talk) 18:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
What about a "Motorcycle Forums" sub-category. Personally, don't know how to do add one (if at all) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidmill ( talk • contribs) 11:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
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Has anyone compared these two categories? Which articles and which subcategories are placed in each seems partly arbitrary. I propose either merging the two categories, or restricting the "Motorcycles" category to actual models, brands, and types of motorcycles, and put everything else in "Motorcycling". -- Allen 03:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I think that's a perfectly reasonable position. Did you read my original post above? One solution I suggested was to move everything that didn't involve types of motorcycles into Category:Motorcycling. (The biggest change would be making Motorcycling, rather than Motorcycles, the parent category of a bunch of subcategories.) But based on the two responses I got, I merged them instead. I don't mind moving everything back, but let's wait to hear some more opinions. If no one else posts here, I'll post something at WP:CFD to make sure we get enough eyeballs for a consensus. -- Allen 05:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how you do that but from what I read on the WP:CFD page what we want to do does not really fit any of the criteria there either. Maybe go ask and admin what's the best approach for the result we would like, or maybe Hooperbloob knows. Cheers ww2censor 20:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and added Category:Motorcycles to Category:Motorcycling. (Seems like a small enough change to just go ahead and do.) I think it might be a good idea to add some verbage to the top of Motorcycles mentioning that it is a sub-cat of Motorcycling. Also, should the article name Motorcycling redirect to Motorcycles? That seems to be in direct conflict with the Motorcycling->Motorcycles category structure. -- Pi3832 22:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
So I'm a neophyte and can't figure out how to edit the main page. Sorry. "Buell Motorcycle Company" should be added to the list of motorcycle manufacturers; it has a decent article that isn't linked directly here (though Erik Buell is, and maybe shouldn't be).
Does anyone know why Suzuki GS500 is showing up on this cat page in addition to the Suzuki Motorcycles cat page? I fiddled some but couldn't figure it out. It shouldn't be on this page. -- Pi3832 14:20, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
OK-Supreme (motorcycles) does not appear to be on the list... Seasalt 14:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that nearly all the UK manufacturers are categorized many times under 'Motorcycles', 'Motorcycling', 'Motorcycle manufacturers' and 'Motorcycle manufacturers of the United Kingdom'. For example see Royal Enfield. Since '...of the United Kingdom' falls under the other categories, I'm planning to remove the other categories. Justification -- "An article should usually not be in both a category and its subcategory", see Categories, lists and series boxes. -- Brianhe 06:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Then it will only appear on the United Kingdom page and not on the manufacturers page. What is the logic of not being able to find a motorcycle manufacturer under that category, and being required to know the country of manufacture to find it? It does not seem very logical, but will follow suit. (Just checked Buell), which is in both USA and manufacturers.) Seasalt 06:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Fixed Buell, now is in US cat only. The whole notion of hierarchical categories would fall apart if everything was rolled up into superior categories -- the number of articles would quickly become unmanageable for all but the most specific categories. -- Brianhe 07:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, now I know, I'll keep that limitation in mind. Seasalt 07:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
More guidelines & justifications are at Wikipedia:Categorization/Categories and subcategories. -- Brianhe 08:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Does it make sense to mix racing motorcycles in with production motorcycles? I would suggest a subcategory for racing machines under Motorcycles, or maybe a sub under each manufacturer. JZH
The number of sub-categories is getting rather large. I suggest creating two new sub-categories
-- Brianhe 21:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC) / edited 02:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I personally don't know how to fix this, but the 'upcoming motorcycles' subcategory is recursive. That is, clicking it reveals 'upcoming motorcycles' as a subcategory, clicking that reveals 'upcoming motorcycles' as a subcategory, ad infinitum. If you know how to fix that, please do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.170.253.212 ( talk) 18:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
What about a "Motorcycle Forums" sub-category. Personally, don't know how to do add one (if at all) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidmill ( talk • contribs) 11:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)