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I actually agree with the anon. You can't just pick a few random places in the world and make Category:Spanish and Portuguese Jews a subcategory of them.-- Pharos 06:40, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm with Pharos here. As a rule, subcategorization is an is-a relationship. For example, one might have (I'm not suggesting this would be useful, just illustrating) Category:Spanish and Portuguese Jews in Amsterdam that inherited from both Category:Spanish and Portuguese Jews and Category:Amsterdam, but Category:Spanish and Portuguese Jews shouldn't inherit from Category:Amsterdam. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:48, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
Olve I must interject! You are putting "the cart before the horse" as it were. Do not confuse the fact that Jews from Spain and Portugal settled in other places later, but that those other places do not define them "retroactively" because it was firstly by their long histories and culture in Spain and Portugal which first and foremost defines their identity. You are also putting far too much emphasis on "synagogues" which do not count for much in terms of what Judaism is about in the long run. Judaism is defined by the degree to which Jews observed most of the 613 mitzvot of the Torah and studied the Talmud whereas "synagogues" are just a minor detail (just a "utilitarian" place in a sense) of the total life-style/s of the Jews of Spain and Portugal or anywhere else, as in all of Jewish history. Calm down. IZAK 08:13, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
“The many ex-Marrano communities which were established in Western Europe and the Americas after 1600 owe most of their customs and traditions to the parent community at Amsterdam. Records show that the early prayer books were shared by all, religious leaders and teachers were exchanged, and there was continuous contact between the Dutch community and its most far-flung branch. As each new congregation was formed, the older ‘siblings’ would contribute monies and religious articles necessary to the ritual and aesthetic needs of the community.” (Maxine Ribstein Kanter: “High Holy Day hymn melodies in the Spanish and Portuguese synagogues of London,” in Journal of Synagogue Music X (1980), No. 2, pp. 12–44)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Olve Utne ( talk • contribs) [1]
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I actually agree with the anon. You can't just pick a few random places in the world and make Category:Spanish and Portuguese Jews a subcategory of them.-- Pharos 06:40, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm with Pharos here. As a rule, subcategorization is an is-a relationship. For example, one might have (I'm not suggesting this would be useful, just illustrating) Category:Spanish and Portuguese Jews in Amsterdam that inherited from both Category:Spanish and Portuguese Jews and Category:Amsterdam, but Category:Spanish and Portuguese Jews shouldn't inherit from Category:Amsterdam. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:48, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
Olve I must interject! You are putting "the cart before the horse" as it were. Do not confuse the fact that Jews from Spain and Portugal settled in other places later, but that those other places do not define them "retroactively" because it was firstly by their long histories and culture in Spain and Portugal which first and foremost defines their identity. You are also putting far too much emphasis on "synagogues" which do not count for much in terms of what Judaism is about in the long run. Judaism is defined by the degree to which Jews observed most of the 613 mitzvot of the Torah and studied the Talmud whereas "synagogues" are just a minor detail (just a "utilitarian" place in a sense) of the total life-style/s of the Jews of Spain and Portugal or anywhere else, as in all of Jewish history. Calm down. IZAK 08:13, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
“The many ex-Marrano communities which were established in Western Europe and the Americas after 1600 owe most of their customs and traditions to the parent community at Amsterdam. Records show that the early prayer books were shared by all, religious leaders and teachers were exchanged, and there was continuous contact between the Dutch community and its most far-flung branch. As each new congregation was formed, the older ‘siblings’ would contribute monies and religious articles necessary to the ritual and aesthetic needs of the community.” (Maxine Ribstein Kanter: “High Holy Day hymn melodies in the Spanish and Portuguese synagogues of London,” in Journal of Synagogue Music X (1980), No. 2, pp. 12–44)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Olve Utne ( talk • contribs) [1]