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There is a clear separation between Sinn Fein MPs before 1923 and after. It has been discussed at length before - [1] & [2]. Snappy ( talk) 18:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Personally I favour the "Category:Sinn Féin politicians (1905–1926)" style, because then you can detail briefly what SF it is at the category page. Mabuska (talk) 22:19, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
First of all, we need to de-politicise this debate. Once we start talking about "cheerleaders for the murders of policemen and soldiers" we know we're not talking about the information value of categories. Now, the question is, is it useful to the reader to lump in a large cohort of 1918–22 MPs with the much smaller number of post-1983 MPs? I would argue that it is not, for two reasons. One, it is two distinct periods with a difference of sixty years between them, and categories are meant to link to pages within a single topic. Two, all Sinn Féiners elected MP in the earlier period are in Category:Members of the 1st Dáil by virtue of their election as MP. They therefore do not need to be added to another cat with the same criteria. Having said that, this description is a bit awkward. It suggests that there were Sinn Féin MPs elected continuously from 1923 on, and doesn't explain to the uninitiated why there should be a distinction. I suggest, since this is a subcat of Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for Northern Irish constituencies, that it be renamed Category:Sinn Féin MPs for Northern Irish constituencies. The scope will then be clear. -- Scolaire ( talk) 08:46, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
On further reflection, and considering all the above, I have decided that this category is not useful, and serves only to muddy the waters. I have voted to delete at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 August 8#Sinn Féin MPs. -- Scolaire ( talk) 08:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Why are Sinn Féin MPs being described as Irish on their pages but British here? And why is it assumed that they were all elected for Northern Ireland constituencies? Gob Lofa ( talk) 15:22, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Gob Lofa:, @ Scolaire:, @ Valenciano:, @ Snappy: Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom by political party has been successfully changed as advised above. I move that this category should now be renamed to Category:Sinn Féin members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. This can then be a container for sub-categories like Category:Sinn Féin members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom pre 1921 and Category:Sinn Féin members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom post 1921 if liked. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 10:35, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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This category was nominated for deletion on 8 August 2015. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
This category was nominated for deletion on 20 September 2015. The result of the discussion was do not rename. |
There is a clear separation between Sinn Fein MPs before 1923 and after. It has been discussed at length before - [1] & [2]. Snappy ( talk) 18:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Personally I favour the "Category:Sinn Féin politicians (1905–1926)" style, because then you can detail briefly what SF it is at the category page. Mabuska (talk) 22:19, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
First of all, we need to de-politicise this debate. Once we start talking about "cheerleaders for the murders of policemen and soldiers" we know we're not talking about the information value of categories. Now, the question is, is it useful to the reader to lump in a large cohort of 1918–22 MPs with the much smaller number of post-1983 MPs? I would argue that it is not, for two reasons. One, it is two distinct periods with a difference of sixty years between them, and categories are meant to link to pages within a single topic. Two, all Sinn Féiners elected MP in the earlier period are in Category:Members of the 1st Dáil by virtue of their election as MP. They therefore do not need to be added to another cat with the same criteria. Having said that, this description is a bit awkward. It suggests that there were Sinn Féin MPs elected continuously from 1923 on, and doesn't explain to the uninitiated why there should be a distinction. I suggest, since this is a subcat of Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for Northern Irish constituencies, that it be renamed Category:Sinn Féin MPs for Northern Irish constituencies. The scope will then be clear. -- Scolaire ( talk) 08:46, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
On further reflection, and considering all the above, I have decided that this category is not useful, and serves only to muddy the waters. I have voted to delete at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 August 8#Sinn Féin MPs. -- Scolaire ( talk) 08:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Why are Sinn Féin MPs being described as Irish on their pages but British here? And why is it assumed that they were all elected for Northern Ireland constituencies? Gob Lofa ( talk) 15:22, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Gob Lofa:, @ Scolaire:, @ Valenciano:, @ Snappy: Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom by political party has been successfully changed as advised above. I move that this category should now be renamed to Category:Sinn Féin members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. This can then be a container for sub-categories like Category:Sinn Féin members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom pre 1921 and Category:Sinn Féin members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom post 1921 if liked. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 10:35, 18 September 2015 (UTC)