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If you are new to Wikipedia, and you have just selected the category:science for reading, you may have been surprised to have seen two lists:
To find a more general category, look at the bottom of that page. Both the article pages and the category pages can have Categories:links at the bottom of the page. But to find a sub-category of a category, look at list #1 above.
If you are still confused, just stick with individual articles until you need to learn about the categories. You can think of the categories as lists which were machine generated, to be studied later. Bartimaeus 11:09, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
In all of this, it helps to keep a specific question in mind, such as how can we understand the evolution of stars?, for which a specific article, such as the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram is useful, because the category system is meant to help you find topics.
Ancheta Wis 11:10, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A quick way to see the subcategories and articles: Try hitting the <End> key on the number pad of the keyboard to quickly scroll to the bottom of the category page. Then hit the up arrow on the keyboard to see more articles and subcategories.
If you wish to collaborate on improving a science article, you can nominate it at Wikipedia:Science collaboration of the week
Salute, as you can see: I have been upgrading ten social and two applied sciences to this level, because I'm a top down kind of guy. This chance will make it more efficient to reach the different angles of science from the top, from the main page. - Mdd 21:00, 5 oct 2004
Dear Siroxo, I have a simple question: Is it forbitten in Wikipedia to put a subcategorie both in a parent and child categories...?? If it is... your arguments stand as an absolute order... If it is not... you have overseen my argument that I've try to increase the efficiency. There is a lot more to it, but I would like an answer to this first... Mdd 8:21, Oct 6, 2004
Dear Siroxo, I agree with the principles of categorisation of articles from Wikipedia:Categorization. This source has more to say about categories requirements and usage :"categories (along with other features, like cross-references) should help users find the information they are looking for as quickly as possible, even if they don't know that it exists or what it's called". This is an argument for my attempts. But this is not the point I want to state...... The situation is that I started changing out of new ideas about the classification of society and science. I've introduced some parts in the top of the Dutch Wikipedia with succes so far. Now I tried it here, and you shoot it down... without even give it some time. My question is now: If I want to make some of these changes... must I first explain my ideas...?? Mdd 20:17, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
Maybe I have to make some things clear first: It was not my intention to dublicate the ten social and two applied sciences... I want to upgrade these. I want to bring these into the categorie science to get one level of, what I call, basic scientific disciplines. As concession I left ten of these items in the subcategory social science. If I would have deleted these ten out of there, then we would have had another discussion...!?
My point is, that I would like to see a gathering of basic scientific disciplines in the categorie science. This set can create a layer to reach most angles of science. This point is part of a larger picture for the categorization in Wikipedia, which I'm willing to explain... but I don't know if this is the time and place to do so...?? What do you think about the idea of one level of basic scientific disciplines...?? Mdd 12:37, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)
Beside Wikipedia is not paper I have found lot of interesting reading about this in Wikipedia:Categorisation FAQ, Wikipedia:Categorization , Wikipedia talk:Categorization and from Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 1 to Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 4. I Think that's also the propper place to continue this discussion Mdd 22:05, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
Discussion concluded and article kept on June 18, 2004
Hello,
from a usability-point-of-view the Science category page is a horrible mess. Imagine that on the wikipedia front page you see the
list and choose "Science". What would you expect to see? I would expect this page to give an easy way to click my way through to an overview over scientific areas.
When I enter the page it is suddenly no longer clear to me what purpose the page serves: there are two lists, one containing entries like "Antropology", "Earth sciences", and "Physics", the second one containing entries like "Antropology" (again), "Natural Science", "Odology", and "Talk:atom". If I want to learn about "Computer Science" or "Mathematics", which list would I look in? It is not intuitively clear (and the entries are in fact absent).
My suggestion: could anybody who understands the purpose of the page add an explanation to the top like "This page lists ... (I would want to write "all broad scientific areas" here, but this seems to be wrong). Under such and these conditions take your pick from the first alphabetical list, and under these different conditions you should look in the second list." A page linked to from the front page should be non-confusing and an explanation as the one suggested above would help with this.
What do you think? Jochen 18:56, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Many of the articles and subcategories need to be assigned to major subcategories. -- Beland 23:12, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
...and how am I suppose to fix this page? It cannot be editted (no "edit this page" tab.)-- Conwiktion 20:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Commons has images on this category. HenkvD 13:01, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi I'm working on the portal at Category:Geography. We and a few other categories have decided to turn the category page into the portal as well so that the user is greeted with a more intersting first page. You may wish to look at that page and see if there's anything you want to incorporate. We should probably all aim to have similar designs for consistency. Cheers, -- komencanto 13:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
I moved a bunch of pages into subcategories in order to clear the mess (some of which dml has been moving back). We've been having a discussion about this on my Talk page, which I decided would be more easily continued here. I'd just stated that my two basic assumptions were:
In response to dml, I now say:
TimNelson 14:20, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Over the past few days efforts have been made to 1- merge the portal pages of the 8 main-page subjects with their category pages, and 2- make them consistant with each others. Before making significant layout changes please discuss it so the 8 pages remain consistant. Elfguy 19:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
The page has this on top: "fk u asshole" It's been there for ages. I don't get it. Why isn't that obvious vandalism reverted?
does hot water freeze faster than cold water does? i have heard various arguments for each side. please let me know!
Is one or the other official for the Science category? If not, then can I suggest we select one? I would suggest GB English; since it is the more accepted spelling in science but I'm not that bothered either way, I'd just like to see some consistency. Bartimaeus 11:09, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
That is all well and good but I still think we need the entire science category to follow a single system. It looks more organised. But that is just my opinion, you're all free to disagree with me. Bartimaeus 11:55, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments regarding my efforts to rearrange "Science", "Israeli Science" and other "Science" related Articles and indices. In fact I have been wondering why some of my Index pages did suddenly seem to contain Articles in them, that I did not intend to appear there. Also, some sub-index pages seem to have not sorted properly in their parent-index pages. Perhaps you can drop me a few clues as to why that happened. However, Please note that when exploring Israeli Scientist bios, I was amazed at what seemed to be total disarray and random entry patterns, indices and sortings. When attempting to assist with the "American" science entries, with which I am also of substantial familiarity, things appeared to be a lot more in order. Then when exploring other "science" related indices I have begun to see what appeared to be a systematic chaos, contrary to common (and well-established) information organization practices. In particular, the "by name" in parallel to, perhaps the by-discipline, and so on- systematically leading to a centralized article entry for elaboration, this categorizing format is consistent with any single encyclopedia that I humbly had the opportunity to examine in my lifetime. May I please ask for your assistance in conveying my message to more colleages, so that we discuss this situation and help devise a rapid constructive solution?
Best,
Hard Nut
Why did you make this category part of the Top 10 category but with an inicial space:
[[Category:Top 10| Science]]
It doesn't look so good to me, mainly because it isn't sorted in the S block but instead, in a no initial block. jοτομικρόν | Talk 13:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I've been hobbling my way through some Quantum theory pages, and I thought I may've come up with a novel idea that could be spread throughout this category.
How about a Topic/Section within each page that expresses in simple English the most basic explanation of the idea? Something that removes all references to theory, etc., (when possible) and simply states what is proposed by the idea. A la "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction." as far as Force is concerned.
Perhaps this would be a crime against knowledge, but it would allow one to grasp the concept before backtracking through proofs.
Simply an idea.
-- Jblotto 07:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Found what I mentioned by another name.
because science is more global than knowledge + prevent the evidents loops between science and knowledge. I would like to say that a big part of the loops problem was coming from this loop. Zipodu ( talk) 15:36, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
This category does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
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If you are new to Wikipedia, and you have just selected the category:science for reading, you may have been surprised to have seen two lists:
To find a more general category, look at the bottom of that page. Both the article pages and the category pages can have Categories:links at the bottom of the page. But to find a sub-category of a category, look at list #1 above.
If you are still confused, just stick with individual articles until you need to learn about the categories. You can think of the categories as lists which were machine generated, to be studied later. Bartimaeus 11:09, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
In all of this, it helps to keep a specific question in mind, such as how can we understand the evolution of stars?, for which a specific article, such as the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram is useful, because the category system is meant to help you find topics.
Ancheta Wis 11:10, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A quick way to see the subcategories and articles: Try hitting the <End> key on the number pad of the keyboard to quickly scroll to the bottom of the category page. Then hit the up arrow on the keyboard to see more articles and subcategories.
If you wish to collaborate on improving a science article, you can nominate it at Wikipedia:Science collaboration of the week
Salute, as you can see: I have been upgrading ten social and two applied sciences to this level, because I'm a top down kind of guy. This chance will make it more efficient to reach the different angles of science from the top, from the main page. - Mdd 21:00, 5 oct 2004
Dear Siroxo, I have a simple question: Is it forbitten in Wikipedia to put a subcategorie both in a parent and child categories...?? If it is... your arguments stand as an absolute order... If it is not... you have overseen my argument that I've try to increase the efficiency. There is a lot more to it, but I would like an answer to this first... Mdd 8:21, Oct 6, 2004
Dear Siroxo, I agree with the principles of categorisation of articles from Wikipedia:Categorization. This source has more to say about categories requirements and usage :"categories (along with other features, like cross-references) should help users find the information they are looking for as quickly as possible, even if they don't know that it exists or what it's called". This is an argument for my attempts. But this is not the point I want to state...... The situation is that I started changing out of new ideas about the classification of society and science. I've introduced some parts in the top of the Dutch Wikipedia with succes so far. Now I tried it here, and you shoot it down... without even give it some time. My question is now: If I want to make some of these changes... must I first explain my ideas...?? Mdd 20:17, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
Maybe I have to make some things clear first: It was not my intention to dublicate the ten social and two applied sciences... I want to upgrade these. I want to bring these into the categorie science to get one level of, what I call, basic scientific disciplines. As concession I left ten of these items in the subcategory social science. If I would have deleted these ten out of there, then we would have had another discussion...!?
My point is, that I would like to see a gathering of basic scientific disciplines in the categorie science. This set can create a layer to reach most angles of science. This point is part of a larger picture for the categorization in Wikipedia, which I'm willing to explain... but I don't know if this is the time and place to do so...?? What do you think about the idea of one level of basic scientific disciplines...?? Mdd 12:37, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)
Beside Wikipedia is not paper I have found lot of interesting reading about this in Wikipedia:Categorisation FAQ, Wikipedia:Categorization , Wikipedia talk:Categorization and from Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 1 to Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 4. I Think that's also the propper place to continue this discussion Mdd 22:05, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
Discussion concluded and article kept on June 18, 2004
Hello,
from a usability-point-of-view the Science category page is a horrible mess. Imagine that on the wikipedia front page you see the
list and choose "Science". What would you expect to see? I would expect this page to give an easy way to click my way through to an overview over scientific areas.
When I enter the page it is suddenly no longer clear to me what purpose the page serves: there are two lists, one containing entries like "Antropology", "Earth sciences", and "Physics", the second one containing entries like "Antropology" (again), "Natural Science", "Odology", and "Talk:atom". If I want to learn about "Computer Science" or "Mathematics", which list would I look in? It is not intuitively clear (and the entries are in fact absent).
My suggestion: could anybody who understands the purpose of the page add an explanation to the top like "This page lists ... (I would want to write "all broad scientific areas" here, but this seems to be wrong). Under such and these conditions take your pick from the first alphabetical list, and under these different conditions you should look in the second list." A page linked to from the front page should be non-confusing and an explanation as the one suggested above would help with this.
What do you think? Jochen 18:56, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Many of the articles and subcategories need to be assigned to major subcategories. -- Beland 23:12, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
...and how am I suppose to fix this page? It cannot be editted (no "edit this page" tab.)-- Conwiktion 20:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Commons has images on this category. HenkvD 13:01, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi I'm working on the portal at Category:Geography. We and a few other categories have decided to turn the category page into the portal as well so that the user is greeted with a more intersting first page. You may wish to look at that page and see if there's anything you want to incorporate. We should probably all aim to have similar designs for consistency. Cheers, -- komencanto 13:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
I moved a bunch of pages into subcategories in order to clear the mess (some of which dml has been moving back). We've been having a discussion about this on my Talk page, which I decided would be more easily continued here. I'd just stated that my two basic assumptions were:
In response to dml, I now say:
TimNelson 14:20, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Over the past few days efforts have been made to 1- merge the portal pages of the 8 main-page subjects with their category pages, and 2- make them consistant with each others. Before making significant layout changes please discuss it so the 8 pages remain consistant. Elfguy 19:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
The page has this on top: "fk u asshole" It's been there for ages. I don't get it. Why isn't that obvious vandalism reverted?
does hot water freeze faster than cold water does? i have heard various arguments for each side. please let me know!
Is one or the other official for the Science category? If not, then can I suggest we select one? I would suggest GB English; since it is the more accepted spelling in science but I'm not that bothered either way, I'd just like to see some consistency. Bartimaeus 11:09, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
That is all well and good but I still think we need the entire science category to follow a single system. It looks more organised. But that is just my opinion, you're all free to disagree with me. Bartimaeus 11:55, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments regarding my efforts to rearrange "Science", "Israeli Science" and other "Science" related Articles and indices. In fact I have been wondering why some of my Index pages did suddenly seem to contain Articles in them, that I did not intend to appear there. Also, some sub-index pages seem to have not sorted properly in their parent-index pages. Perhaps you can drop me a few clues as to why that happened. However, Please note that when exploring Israeli Scientist bios, I was amazed at what seemed to be total disarray and random entry patterns, indices and sortings. When attempting to assist with the "American" science entries, with which I am also of substantial familiarity, things appeared to be a lot more in order. Then when exploring other "science" related indices I have begun to see what appeared to be a systematic chaos, contrary to common (and well-established) information organization practices. In particular, the "by name" in parallel to, perhaps the by-discipline, and so on- systematically leading to a centralized article entry for elaboration, this categorizing format is consistent with any single encyclopedia that I humbly had the opportunity to examine in my lifetime. May I please ask for your assistance in conveying my message to more colleages, so that we discuss this situation and help devise a rapid constructive solution?
Best,
Hard Nut
Why did you make this category part of the Top 10 category but with an inicial space:
[[Category:Top 10| Science]]
It doesn't look so good to me, mainly because it isn't sorted in the S block but instead, in a no initial block. jοτομικρόν | Talk 13:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I've been hobbling my way through some Quantum theory pages, and I thought I may've come up with a novel idea that could be spread throughout this category.
How about a Topic/Section within each page that expresses in simple English the most basic explanation of the idea? Something that removes all references to theory, etc., (when possible) and simply states what is proposed by the idea. A la "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction." as far as Force is concerned.
Perhaps this would be a crime against knowledge, but it would allow one to grasp the concept before backtracking through proofs.
Simply an idea.
-- Jblotto 07:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Found what I mentioned by another name.
because science is more global than knowledge + prevent the evidents loops between science and knowledge. I would like to say that a big part of the loops problem was coming from this loop. Zipodu ( talk) 15:36, 26 July 2020 (UTC)