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This category has now survived two CFDs. It needs a redirect template to populate it. I will create one at Template:R to template unless there is a real reason why I should not. McLerristarr | Mclay1 03:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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Well, maybe I wasn't really misusing {{ R to template}}, but it probably was originally designed to populate a category that would hold all of the T:xx redirects that are now found in the parent category, Category:Cross-namespace redirects. Now, Mclay1, you need to take a good look at the {{ R to portal}}, the {{ R to project}} and the others. They all populate SUB-CATEGORIES of the parent category, Category:Cross-namespace redirects, and so, they are all ONLY supposed to be added to redirects that cross from the main ARTICLE NAMESPACE (or perhaps another namespace) into other namespaces. In that parent category are P:xx, H:xx, C:xx, and MOS:xx shortcut redirects that should eventually populate the sub-categories, along with T:xx shortcut redirects that need to be put in a template sub-category. These are all pseudo-namespaces and cross-namespace redirects, and so, the sub-categories that I mentioned before are their rightful "homes". So when you look more closely, the redirect-category templates {{ R to category}}, {{ R to portal}}, {{ R to help}} and {{ R to project}} are ONLY supposed to be added to cross-namespace redirects. — Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX ) 17:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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Okay, my research has convinced me that I'm right, Mclay1. If you place {{ R to portal}} on a redirect, then it must be a cross-namespace redirect (CNR). If it is not a CNR, then you would be populating the parent Category:Cross-namespace redirects with non CNRs by way of its sub-category Category:Redirects to portal space. So if there are any redirects in that sub-category that are not CNRs, then they must be removed from that sub-category.
(By the way, that new cat you created, Category:Redirects to the main namespace, did not list as a sub-cat of Category:Cross-namespace redirects because you didn't put a needed space in the category like this:
[[Category:Cross-namespace redirects| Main]]
Note the space between the pipe (|) and the word "Main". If you do not include that space, then the category will not appear as a subcategory in the parent category. I fixed that for you with this edit.)
I have to go to a doctor's appt., so I will continue this later. But be aware, that the confusion we have experienced with these cats and Rcats is due only to the fact that whoever named these items initially "knew" what he or she was doing, and so did not feel that more explicit and clear names would be required. All of these need to be renamed, so that future editors, like you and me, don't go through all this again. If these tracking categories are important and need to be used to track CNRs, then they should be named in a way that reflects that tracking duty. — Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX ) 15:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Redirects to template namespace category. |
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![]() | This category was nominated for deletion on 18 January 2011. The result of the discussion was withdrawn. |
![]() | This category was nominated for deletion on 21 February 2011. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
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This category has now survived two CFDs. It needs a redirect template to populate it. I will create one at Template:R to template unless there is a real reason why I should not. McLerristarr | Mclay1 03:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Brought from the
CFD2 discussion
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Well, maybe I wasn't really misusing {{ R to template}}, but it probably was originally designed to populate a category that would hold all of the T:xx redirects that are now found in the parent category, Category:Cross-namespace redirects. Now, Mclay1, you need to take a good look at the {{ R to portal}}, the {{ R to project}} and the others. They all populate SUB-CATEGORIES of the parent category, Category:Cross-namespace redirects, and so, they are all ONLY supposed to be added to redirects that cross from the main ARTICLE NAMESPACE (or perhaps another namespace) into other namespaces. In that parent category are P:xx, H:xx, C:xx, and MOS:xx shortcut redirects that should eventually populate the sub-categories, along with T:xx shortcut redirects that need to be put in a template sub-category. These are all pseudo-namespaces and cross-namespace redirects, and so, the sub-categories that I mentioned before are their rightful "homes". So when you look more closely, the redirect-category templates {{ R to category}}, {{ R to portal}}, {{ R to help}} and {{ R to project}} are ONLY supposed to be added to cross-namespace redirects. — Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX ) 17:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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Okay, my research has convinced me that I'm right, Mclay1. If you place {{ R to portal}} on a redirect, then it must be a cross-namespace redirect (CNR). If it is not a CNR, then you would be populating the parent Category:Cross-namespace redirects with non CNRs by way of its sub-category Category:Redirects to portal space. So if there are any redirects in that sub-category that are not CNRs, then they must be removed from that sub-category.
(By the way, that new cat you created, Category:Redirects to the main namespace, did not list as a sub-cat of Category:Cross-namespace redirects because you didn't put a needed space in the category like this:
[[Category:Cross-namespace redirects| Main]]
Note the space between the pipe (|) and the word "Main". If you do not include that space, then the category will not appear as a subcategory in the parent category. I fixed that for you with this edit.)
I have to go to a doctor's appt., so I will continue this later. But be aware, that the confusion we have experienced with these cats and Rcats is due only to the fact that whoever named these items initially "knew" what he or she was doing, and so did not feel that more explicit and clear names would be required. All of these need to be renamed, so that future editors, like you and me, don't go through all this again. If these tracking categories are important and need to be used to track CNRs, then they should be named in a way that reflects that tracking duty. — Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX ) 15:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)