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This category was nominated for Merging on 6 February 2011. The result of the discussion was Nomination withdrawn. |
I propose that abbreviations and {{ R from abbreviation}} be separated from this category and {{ R from initialism}} as they are two separate things. A redirect such as " Neocon" etc. is an abbreviation, not an initialism, and should be in its own category, leaving this category strictly for capital letter initialism redirects ( SPCA etc.). However, the term 'abbreviation' can include initialisms as well, so perhaps a better option would be to just move this category and {{ R from initialism}} back to Category:Redirects from abbreviations and {{ R from abbreviation}}, as that was the template and category's original name, and the redundant Category:Redirects from abbreviations (which was supposed to be a container category as I recall) currently contains a small smattering of both abbreviations and initialisms, and also, too many initialism redirects are already tagged with {{ R from abbreviation}} to split them all manually from each other. -- œ ™ 19:41, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
{{
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in numerous R to abbrev pages. --
P64 (
talk) 23:59, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
{{
Redr|long}}
. Redirects to acronyms and initialisms, almost all clear and difficult cases, now use one of {{
R to acronym}} (count 14) and {{
R to initialism}} (count 57) rather than either the abbreviation (3) or initials (0) redirects to the latter. ...Almost certainly {{ R from abbreviation}} (count 9354) should be vacated --not by hand, of course, with about 10,000 rather than 40 transclusions-- and re-targeted to {{ R from short name}}. And same for {{ R from initials}} (count 266).
{R from short name} is now the target of all these near synonyms, wisely:
If i clerk correctly, all the i/ii/init R and Redirect do target {{ R from initialism}}, which must be unwise.
-- P64 ( talk) 01:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Preliminary to sorting redirects --that is, distinguishing redirects to and from acronyms and initialisms (and perhaps numeronyms) from those to and from other abbreviations or short names or shortcuts-- consider improving the categorization of articles (article pagenames) as acronyms and initialisms. The article categories are now small and some of the challenges must be identical.
Same as in the redirects category structure, the parent is Category:Abbreviations, now 26 pages with 4 sorted to the top, 22 other.
Some of the 49, 16, and 22 pages have been classed by mistake, clearly, but few of the articles provide supporting information. One that does is our article FAQ; its lead section shows that 'FAQ' belongs in both categories. But our article FERT calls its subject primarily a motto, believed to be an acronym. That article is in cat Initialisms and it is silent regarding pronunciation of 'FERT'.
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P64 (
talk) 20:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
(clarify that by adding markup, the terms 'Category:' and 'article', etc) (and fix typos, brainos) --
P64 (
talk) 19:25, 3 May; 17:48, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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This category was nominated for Merging on 6 February 2011. The result of the discussion was Nomination withdrawn. |
I propose that abbreviations and {{ R from abbreviation}} be separated from this category and {{ R from initialism}} as they are two separate things. A redirect such as " Neocon" etc. is an abbreviation, not an initialism, and should be in its own category, leaving this category strictly for capital letter initialism redirects ( SPCA etc.). However, the term 'abbreviation' can include initialisms as well, so perhaps a better option would be to just move this category and {{ R from initialism}} back to Category:Redirects from abbreviations and {{ R from abbreviation}}, as that was the template and category's original name, and the redundant Category:Redirects from abbreviations (which was supposed to be a container category as I recall) currently contains a small smattering of both abbreviations and initialisms, and also, too many initialism redirects are already tagged with {{ R from abbreviation}} to split them all manually from each other. -- œ ™ 19:41, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
{{
Redr|long}}
in numerous R to abbrev pages. --
P64 (
talk) 23:59, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
{{
Redr|long}}
. Redirects to acronyms and initialisms, almost all clear and difficult cases, now use one of {{
R to acronym}} (count 14) and {{
R to initialism}} (count 57) rather than either the abbreviation (3) or initials (0) redirects to the latter. ...Almost certainly {{ R from abbreviation}} (count 9354) should be vacated --not by hand, of course, with about 10,000 rather than 40 transclusions-- and re-targeted to {{ R from short name}}. And same for {{ R from initials}} (count 266).
{R from short name} is now the target of all these near synonyms, wisely:
If i clerk correctly, all the i/ii/init R and Redirect do target {{ R from initialism}}, which must be unwise.
-- P64 ( talk) 01:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Preliminary to sorting redirects --that is, distinguishing redirects to and from acronyms and initialisms (and perhaps numeronyms) from those to and from other abbreviations or short names or shortcuts-- consider improving the categorization of articles (article pagenames) as acronyms and initialisms. The article categories are now small and some of the challenges must be identical.
Same as in the redirects category structure, the parent is Category:Abbreviations, now 26 pages with 4 sorted to the top, 22 other.
Some of the 49, 16, and 22 pages have been classed by mistake, clearly, but few of the articles provide supporting information. One that does is our article FAQ; its lead section shows that 'FAQ' belongs in both categories. But our article FERT calls its subject primarily a motto, believed to be an acronym. That article is in cat Initialisms and it is silent regarding pronunciation of 'FERT'.
--
P64 (
talk) 20:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
(clarify that by adding markup, the terms 'Category:' and 'article', etc) (and fix typos, brainos) --
P64 (
talk) 19:25, 3 May; 17:48, 4 May 2016 (UTC)