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All articles on Ragusan noble families should have their original attested names. A quick review shows that:
The original names prevail. I boldly moved articles to their proper names, but was massively reverted by Director ( talk · contribs) on 11 November. This confuses me greatly. Is there a concensus to use Croatian neologisms for the titles for these families? Note that the official language in the Republic of Ragusa was Latin (until 1492) and then Italian, and that in all official documents only Latin-Italian spellings were used. As per consistency, all article names should use the same basis.-- Zoupan 14:42, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Did a few searches for Binciola/Bincola... Ugh.. Nothing has changed. This is the problem with these articles. I assure you the issue would long have been settled in that way if it was as straightforward as you think... There are very few to no English-language hits that I can find. A laughably small number of hits (such as e.g. "14 vs 11" in either direction) removes the whole point of SETing and invalidates that method. In fact, it actually means the article should probably be deleted per WP:N. Which if I recall is precisely why we agreed, back at the dawn of time, to just use the Croatian with Italian in the lede right next to it.. basically because the city is in Croatia. (Granted, a few Italian users had at the time recently been community-banned for massive sockpuppeteering, but that's their fault and no one else's.) -- Director ( talk) 15:29, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorgo and Bona as well as the Zamagna, Cerva, and Menze
Basegli (Bassegli) or Basilio/Basiljevic ́/Vasilievic ́ Bobali/Bobaljevic ́ Bona/Bunic ́ Giorgi/Eurdevic Gozze/Gucetic Gradi/Gradid Menze/Menòetic Squadro/Skvadrovic Zamagna or Zamagnio/Zamanjic
Marinus de Bincola, among the Ragusan nobility
Orsattus Cerva and Bernardus Binciola
de Bincola
Sorgo (Sorkocevic)
Ragnina and Caboga
Caboga Cerva Georgi Ghetaldi Gondola Goze Gradi Menze Natali Pauli Poza Ragnina Resti Saraca Slatarich Sorgo
Bassegli
Prodanelli [...] Ragnina
Let's get to the point. For starters, do we agree on Binciola and Caboga? These are two of the given examples.-- Zoupan 17:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Did I not say "Let's get to the point"? Binciola and Caboga, Yes or No?--
Zoupan
19:23, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
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All articles on Ragusan noble families should have their original attested names. A quick review shows that:
The original names prevail. I boldly moved articles to their proper names, but was massively reverted by Director ( talk · contribs) on 11 November. This confuses me greatly. Is there a concensus to use Croatian neologisms for the titles for these families? Note that the official language in the Republic of Ragusa was Latin (until 1492) and then Italian, and that in all official documents only Latin-Italian spellings were used. As per consistency, all article names should use the same basis.-- Zoupan 14:42, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Did a few searches for Binciola/Bincola... Ugh.. Nothing has changed. This is the problem with these articles. I assure you the issue would long have been settled in that way if it was as straightforward as you think... There are very few to no English-language hits that I can find. A laughably small number of hits (such as e.g. "14 vs 11" in either direction) removes the whole point of SETing and invalidates that method. In fact, it actually means the article should probably be deleted per WP:N. Which if I recall is precisely why we agreed, back at the dawn of time, to just use the Croatian with Italian in the lede right next to it.. basically because the city is in Croatia. (Granted, a few Italian users had at the time recently been community-banned for massive sockpuppeteering, but that's their fault and no one else's.) -- Director ( talk) 15:29, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorgo and Bona as well as the Zamagna, Cerva, and Menze
Basegli (Bassegli) or Basilio/Basiljevic ́/Vasilievic ́ Bobali/Bobaljevic ́ Bona/Bunic ́ Giorgi/Eurdevic Gozze/Gucetic Gradi/Gradid Menze/Menòetic Squadro/Skvadrovic Zamagna or Zamagnio/Zamanjic
Marinus de Bincola, among the Ragusan nobility
Orsattus Cerva and Bernardus Binciola
de Bincola
Sorgo (Sorkocevic)
Ragnina and Caboga
Caboga Cerva Georgi Ghetaldi Gondola Goze Gradi Menze Natali Pauli Poza Ragnina Resti Saraca Slatarich Sorgo
Bassegli
Prodanelli [...] Ragnina
Let's get to the point. For starters, do we agree on Binciola and Caboga? These are two of the given examples.-- Zoupan 17:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Did I not say "Let's get to the point"? Binciola and Caboga, Yes or No?--
Zoupan
19:23, 13 November 2015 (UTC)