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(The following discussion was at Category talk:EU countries, a category which has since been deleted. -[[User:Aranel| Aranel (" Sarah")]] 18:45, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC))
I object to the naming of this article. It should be titled "EU member states" if people really want just the 25 member pages to link to it. Otherwise, England, Scotland and Wales should be linked here, as well as Ireland (island of).
Another problem, Republic of Ireland is not the official name of the state. Éire, or Ireland is the official name. Republic of Ireland is merely an official description. Now that is used commonly for most purposes, but for EU treaties for example, they always are signed by "IRELAND" not "Republic of Ireland". Thus, the member should be listed as Ireland, not Republic of Ireland.
Zoney 11:20, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I agree the general case is a difficult issue - there's always plenty of confusion arising in sports teams, for example, over what constitutes a 'country' (and 'nationality'). For the EU though, member states solves the problem and is the official/correct terminology, so I'd also support a name change here. -- EuroTom 04:57, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The European Union is independent of the Council of Europe and membership in one isn't contingent on membership in the other. (I'm not even sure that the point about membership contingency is relevant. Even if there were a contingency, it would still be circumstantial: the organizations could repeal such a rule at will.) If, as it says at the latter article, "No country has ever joined the EU without first belonging to the Council of Europe", that's de facto and still doesn't imply that the EU is subsumed under the Council. In view of those circumstances, why is this category a subcategory of Category:Member states of the Council of Europe?
For what it's worth, what led me here was seeing that User:Buidhe has just removed countries from the parent category, which I presume is because they're in the subcategory. (I'm not sure that that action was correct anyway, if that was the reason for it, because this category isn't a diffusing subcategory of the other one. Largoplazo ( talk) 13:36, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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(The following discussion was at Category talk:EU countries, a category which has since been deleted. -[[User:Aranel| Aranel (" Sarah")]] 18:45, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC))
I object to the naming of this article. It should be titled "EU member states" if people really want just the 25 member pages to link to it. Otherwise, England, Scotland and Wales should be linked here, as well as Ireland (island of).
Another problem, Republic of Ireland is not the official name of the state. Éire, or Ireland is the official name. Republic of Ireland is merely an official description. Now that is used commonly for most purposes, but for EU treaties for example, they always are signed by "IRELAND" not "Republic of Ireland". Thus, the member should be listed as Ireland, not Republic of Ireland.
Zoney 11:20, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I agree the general case is a difficult issue - there's always plenty of confusion arising in sports teams, for example, over what constitutes a 'country' (and 'nationality'). For the EU though, member states solves the problem and is the official/correct terminology, so I'd also support a name change here. -- EuroTom 04:57, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The European Union is independent of the Council of Europe and membership in one isn't contingent on membership in the other. (I'm not even sure that the point about membership contingency is relevant. Even if there were a contingency, it would still be circumstantial: the organizations could repeal such a rule at will.) If, as it says at the latter article, "No country has ever joined the EU without first belonging to the Council of Europe", that's de facto and still doesn't imply that the EU is subsumed under the Council. In view of those circumstances, why is this category a subcategory of Category:Member states of the Council of Europe?
For what it's worth, what led me here was seeing that User:Buidhe has just removed countries from the parent category, which I presume is because they're in the subcategory. (I'm not sure that that action was correct anyway, if that was the reason for it, because this category isn't a diffusing subcategory of the other one. Largoplazo ( talk) 13:36, 29 January 2022 (UTC)