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This cat and its subcats are a mess. Category:Bishops of Down or Connor or of Dromore does not include Category:Bishops of Down and Connor, whose name does not make clear that it refers to a defunct Anglican diocese, as distinct from Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Down and Connor (maybe also the case for others in Category:Anglican bishops by diocese in Ireland?). Then there is the fact that it is in both Category:Bishops by nationality and Category:Bishops by country, whereas there are people of Irish nationality/heritage who have been bishops elsewhere: in Great Britain, the diaspora, the Empire, as missionaries, or in the Roman curia. Finally, the use of "Anglican" rather than "Church of Ireland" seems designed to gloss over the fact that the Church of IReland regards the pre-Reformation bishops as part of its heritage; the earlier one are in effect ceded to the Roman Catholic categories.
I suggest a tripartite realignment PreReformation / Church of Ireland / Roman Catholic, thus:
The above would have subcats by diocese, which would also need to be split unless a name relates only to one of the three divisions. Currently it seems most are split two ways, so e.g. Category:Bishops of Dromore puts Richard Payl in Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Dromore rather than Category:Anglican bishops of Dromore, which loses the important fact that he is in the Church of Ireland succession. The names of the "or" categories are also weird: why the second of in Category:Bishops of X or Y or of Z ? jnestorius( talk) 10:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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This category was nominated for deletion on 2013 September 2013. The result of the discussion was no consensus to rename. |
This cat and its subcats are a mess. Category:Bishops of Down or Connor or of Dromore does not include Category:Bishops of Down and Connor, whose name does not make clear that it refers to a defunct Anglican diocese, as distinct from Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Down and Connor (maybe also the case for others in Category:Anglican bishops by diocese in Ireland?). Then there is the fact that it is in both Category:Bishops by nationality and Category:Bishops by country, whereas there are people of Irish nationality/heritage who have been bishops elsewhere: in Great Britain, the diaspora, the Empire, as missionaries, or in the Roman curia. Finally, the use of "Anglican" rather than "Church of Ireland" seems designed to gloss over the fact that the Church of IReland regards the pre-Reformation bishops as part of its heritage; the earlier one are in effect ceded to the Roman Catholic categories.
I suggest a tripartite realignment PreReformation / Church of Ireland / Roman Catholic, thus:
The above would have subcats by diocese, which would also need to be split unless a name relates only to one of the three divisions. Currently it seems most are split two ways, so e.g. Category:Bishops of Dromore puts Richard Payl in Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Dromore rather than Category:Anglican bishops of Dromore, which loses the important fact that he is in the Church of Ireland succession. The names of the "or" categories are also weird: why the second of in Category:Bishops of X or Y or of Z ? jnestorius( talk) 10:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)