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If one person states that a listed "fictional" god is in fact real, is that grounds for reclassification? - Jeandré, 2004-08-30t20:56z
I would like to ask that, if you refuse to remove any of the additions herein, you add to the list. Include Yahweh, Jesus Christ, Krishna, and other such dieties. You can't say, as a completely unbiased source, one god is real and another is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.52.15.170 ( talk) 05:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I was just thinking about the name again because it's been kind of bugging me. Perhaps a better place would be [[category:Deities in fiction]]? Arguably every single deity in history could be listed here by the definition of fictional, whereas by saying "in fiction" you're more strictly implying characters from works intended as fictional, if that makes sense. Works of mythology/religion weren't intended as fiction, so it effectively removes the discrepancy. Sound good to people? Sarge Baldy 16:53, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)
Support move to "
Category:Deities in fiction". Every deity is fictional, but not every deity has appeared in fiction, and if a hypothetical real deity did appear in fiction in a significant way, that deity would merit inclusion in the category. For example, if the god
Odin was real, but a fictionalized version of him like
Odin (comics) was created in a fictional world, the fictionalized version would be categorized here (and should be even though he's not real, but the current category name fails to draw a clear distinction between fictional gods that don't appear in "fiction" and fictional gods that do). Yahweh, Shiva and the gods of Discworld are all equally likely from an unbiased scientific standpoint to be fictional (i.e. "An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented."
[4]), but only the Discworld gods are explicitly deities that primarily appear in fiction (rather than mythology or pseudohistory). -
Silence
09:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Just a suggestion, might it not be worth the effort to add the fictional source of each deity on this page? Maybe re-organize it into a chart which gives: | Deity | Source | Notes | or something like that. Or just put the name of the source in parentheses after the deities' names on the list. Some of them already are, since the name of the page they go to could refer to something else otherwise, but maybe all of them should be changed to conform to that standard? Otherwise you'd have to click on every one and read its associated article to figure out where it came from. Just think this list would be more useful if it included this info on it somehow. -- Lurlock 18:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
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Aren't all deities fictional? Then this category is a redundancy. Madhava 1947 ( talk) 10:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Referring to "fictional deities" as "deity characters" is how I clarify the difference on disambiguation pages. It is a nontrivial distinction.
Characters like Cthulhu, Lolth, or Sauron have never been called upon to justify killing real people in the real world, and have probably never been the subject of serious, sustained worship by any real-world group, i.e. such belief is non-notable. (Although the characters may easily meet criteria for fiction notability.)
Deities that have actual worshipers, in the most notable cases, have been called upon to justify wars and takings by real people upon other real people in the real world. This is underpinning of a great amount of documented human history, and it is irrelevant to the issue of inclusion in this category whether any (or which) of these deities was merely invented by somebody at some point.
Interesting cases are Xenu (a featured article) and the Jedi census phenomenon. Xenu is traceable to the writings of a science fiction author with an intent to found a religion, while the real-world Jedi are fans that may have found a spiritual fulfillment in Star Wars, while director George Lucas may have intended nothing of the kind. Whatever their connections to fiction, these have become real world religious phenomena, with notable impact on society. Fictional deities, or deity characters are never the subject of genuine worship. — Yamara ✉ 07:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Unless there are fictional deities that lack powers, methinks we may wish for this category to be listed as a subcategory of the other. Thoughts? allixpeeke ( talk) 05:57, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
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If one person states that a listed "fictional" god is in fact real, is that grounds for reclassification? - Jeandré, 2004-08-30t20:56z
I would like to ask that, if you refuse to remove any of the additions herein, you add to the list. Include Yahweh, Jesus Christ, Krishna, and other such dieties. You can't say, as a completely unbiased source, one god is real and another is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.52.15.170 ( talk) 05:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I was just thinking about the name again because it's been kind of bugging me. Perhaps a better place would be [[category:Deities in fiction]]? Arguably every single deity in history could be listed here by the definition of fictional, whereas by saying "in fiction" you're more strictly implying characters from works intended as fictional, if that makes sense. Works of mythology/religion weren't intended as fiction, so it effectively removes the discrepancy. Sound good to people? Sarge Baldy 16:53, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)
Support move to "
Category:Deities in fiction". Every deity is fictional, but not every deity has appeared in fiction, and if a hypothetical real deity did appear in fiction in a significant way, that deity would merit inclusion in the category. For example, if the god
Odin was real, but a fictionalized version of him like
Odin (comics) was created in a fictional world, the fictionalized version would be categorized here (and should be even though he's not real, but the current category name fails to draw a clear distinction between fictional gods that don't appear in "fiction" and fictional gods that do). Yahweh, Shiva and the gods of Discworld are all equally likely from an unbiased scientific standpoint to be fictional (i.e. "An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented."
[4]), but only the Discworld gods are explicitly deities that primarily appear in fiction (rather than mythology or pseudohistory). -
Silence
09:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Just a suggestion, might it not be worth the effort to add the fictional source of each deity on this page? Maybe re-organize it into a chart which gives: | Deity | Source | Notes | or something like that. Or just put the name of the source in parentheses after the deities' names on the list. Some of them already are, since the name of the page they go to could refer to something else otherwise, but maybe all of them should be changed to conform to that standard? Otherwise you'd have to click on every one and read its associated article to figure out where it came from. Just think this list would be more useful if it included this info on it somehow. -- Lurlock 18:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
![]() | This category was nominated for deletion on 12 August 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
Aren't all deities fictional? Then this category is a redundancy. Madhava 1947 ( talk) 10:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Referring to "fictional deities" as "deity characters" is how I clarify the difference on disambiguation pages. It is a nontrivial distinction.
Characters like Cthulhu, Lolth, or Sauron have never been called upon to justify killing real people in the real world, and have probably never been the subject of serious, sustained worship by any real-world group, i.e. such belief is non-notable. (Although the characters may easily meet criteria for fiction notability.)
Deities that have actual worshipers, in the most notable cases, have been called upon to justify wars and takings by real people upon other real people in the real world. This is underpinning of a great amount of documented human history, and it is irrelevant to the issue of inclusion in this category whether any (or which) of these deities was merely invented by somebody at some point.
Interesting cases are Xenu (a featured article) and the Jedi census phenomenon. Xenu is traceable to the writings of a science fiction author with an intent to found a religion, while the real-world Jedi are fans that may have found a spiritual fulfillment in Star Wars, while director George Lucas may have intended nothing of the kind. Whatever their connections to fiction, these have become real world religious phenomena, with notable impact on society. Fictional deities, or deity characters are never the subject of genuine worship. — Yamara ✉ 07:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Unless there are fictional deities that lack powers, methinks we may wish for this category to be listed as a subcategory of the other. Thoughts? allixpeeke ( talk) 05:57, 28 March 2019 (UTC)