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Scope definition
As at 10 Jan 2017, the scope is defined as "For the purpose of this category, the term Catholic denominations includes any groups of churches within the
Catholic tradition– not just those bodies in communion with the
Church of Rome". I'm fine with this.
Laurel Lodged (
talk)
12:29, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
The category tree is not a source of content, but is just a system finding the article(s) that you want to find. The "scope definition" is a way letting editors know which articles to find (and put) in this category. As long as it keeps the same set of articles with-in, we can talk about a better "scope definition" or even a better category name, but it is not ment to be the one real definition for a "Catholic denomination". tahcchat15:05, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Well, you can't invent whatever in the category tree. It has to be encyclopedically relevant. Logically veriably so in article content. That wouldn't be too much to ask for, would it?
Chicbyaccident (
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18:41, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
What else would the scope be? The Catholic Church does not really us the term denominations for the different parts of itself. tahcchat14:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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PPEMES, sadly most of Wikipedia's articles and categories in this area have been badly distorted by the long-term POV-pushing of supporters of the universal and unique claims of the Roman Catholic Church.
People are entitled to take whatever view they like of those claims, but the problem on Wikipedia is that the supporters of this worldview have pushed Wikipedia to adopt terminology which doesn't accommodate the reality of a more diverse set of religious strands.
I interpretate you would be disinterested in "wasting time" unpacking your "reality of a more diverse set of religious strands". Your accusations, however, I guess do explain how you as an administrator could count 3 support and 1 oppose as "no consensus", doesn't it?
PPEMES (
talk)
12:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC)reply
The fact that there are no articles for Catholic denomination or Catholic denominations tells me that there should not be a category for them.
Laurel Lodged (
talk)
19:39, 26 July 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Laurel Lodged: While I agree in prinicple and would at least expect some arguments for deviation from that principle, this is evidently begging people in vain to "waste their time" explaining things that they enforce - with or without the understanding and/or compliance of us less knowledgeable underlings.
PPEMES (
talk)
11:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)reply
This category is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity articles
Catholic denominations is within the scope of WikiProject Catholicism, an attempt to better organize and improve the quality of information in articles related to the
Catholic Church. For more information, visit the
project page.CatholicismWikipedia:WikiProject CatholicismTemplate:WikiProject CatholicismCatholicism articles
This category was nominated for
merging on 24 October 2017. The result of the discussion was no consensus.
This category was nominated for
merging on 20 February 2018. The result of the discussion was keep.
Scope definition
As at 10 Jan 2017, the scope is defined as "For the purpose of this category, the term Catholic denominations includes any groups of churches within the
Catholic tradition– not just those bodies in communion with the
Church of Rome". I'm fine with this.
Laurel Lodged (
talk)
12:29, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
The category tree is not a source of content, but is just a system finding the article(s) that you want to find. The "scope definition" is a way letting editors know which articles to find (and put) in this category. As long as it keeps the same set of articles with-in, we can talk about a better "scope definition" or even a better category name, but it is not ment to be the one real definition for a "Catholic denomination". tahcchat15:05, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Well, you can't invent whatever in the category tree. It has to be encyclopedically relevant. Logically veriably so in article content. That wouldn't be too much to ask for, would it?
Chicbyaccident (
talk)
18:41, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
What else would the scope be? The Catholic Church does not really us the term denominations for the different parts of itself. tahcchat14:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC)reply
@
PPEMES, sadly most of Wikipedia's articles and categories in this area have been badly distorted by the long-term POV-pushing of supporters of the universal and unique claims of the Roman Catholic Church.
People are entitled to take whatever view they like of those claims, but the problem on Wikipedia is that the supporters of this worldview have pushed Wikipedia to adopt terminology which doesn't accommodate the reality of a more diverse set of religious strands.
I interpretate you would be disinterested in "wasting time" unpacking your "reality of a more diverse set of religious strands". Your accusations, however, I guess do explain how you as an administrator could count 3 support and 1 oppose as "no consensus", doesn't it?
PPEMES (
talk)
12:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC)reply
The fact that there are no articles for Catholic denomination or Catholic denominations tells me that there should not be a category for them.
Laurel Lodged (
talk)
19:39, 26 July 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Laurel Lodged: While I agree in prinicple and would at least expect some arguments for deviation from that principle, this is evidently begging people in vain to "waste their time" explaining things that they enforce - with or without the understanding and/or compliance of us less knowledgeable underlings.
PPEMES (
talk)
11:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)reply