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There are disputes on a number of talk pages of articles about Syrian settlements (including but not limited to
Talk:Al-Malikiyah,
Talk:Al-Muabbada,
Talk:Al-Jawadiyah) over what titles the articles should have. My understanding from
Talk:Kobanî#Requested_move_19_December_2019 is that we're obliged to follow
WP:COMMONNAME, i.e. the name the place is best known in English-language sources, no matter its official name or how it's known locally. It'd be great to know if this really is the relevant policy, as it is being opposed pretty much everywhere I propose it, usually on the basis that, as these places are part of the Syrian Arab Republic, they ought to be called by their Arabic names, as per Syrian law. As far as I know,
Kobanî is the only Syrian settlement that has been moved on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME, from its official name of Ayn al-Arab.
Konli17 (
talk) 11:19, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps I wasn't clear about how I believe this violates NPOV. This resistance to
WP:COMMONNAME is driven by Arab/Syrian nationalism. It can countenance Latin (
Damascus#Names_and_etymology) or Italian (
Aleppo#Etymology) names being used to refer to Syrian cities, but not Kurdish or Assyrian, no matter the common name.
Kurds and
Assyrians have traditionally been oppressed in Syria, and the notion of extending equality to their languages is difficult for some.
Konli17 (
talk) 13:11, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
the rest of the names are sub-names omar kandil ( talk) 08:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Konli17 is a blocked sock Shadow4dark ( talk) 18:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
As has been raised, to no avail on the talk page of the article on Donald Trump under the section "Biased" there is clearly a left-wing bias which has been pushed under the carpet by some. The most apparent bias is shown when there is a whole section in the article dedicated to "false statements" why not, by the same token, have true statements? Many other world leaders, indeed, other US Presidents have made false statements yet it seems most prominent when it concerns Donald Trump.
There needs to be a review in this and the current article is only fit for propaganda by the Democrats. DukeBiggie1 ( talk) 19:48, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
The article being discussed is Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#US_withdrawal and this issue was discussed without resolution in Talk:Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#U.S._Violation_vs._Withdrawal. I am in a dispute about whether U.S. non-compliance with the JCPOA should be labeled as "withdrawal" or "violation". First, it is a legal fact that one cannot withdraw from an agreement with no withdrawal clause -- hence the U.S. cannot withdraw from this agreement, it can only violate it, this is a legal fact and pointed out by several news sources I linked in the talk page. Second, U.S. infringements are labeled "withdrawal" while Iranian infringements are labeled "violations". The other editors claim that "violation" is POV. There are sources which use both terminologies for both the U.S. and Iran -- it is clearly biased to extend the POV argument to the U.S., but not Iran. I offered a compromise which is that both U.S. and Iranian violations be labeled as "withdrawal" or "partial withdrawal", which resolves the POV argument, but it appears that this compromise was not accepted.
The other editors do not make any consistent arguments in the talk page. The first editor makes the claim that some sources refer to the U.S. actions as a withdrawal -- I point out that there are several sources, which I provided, which refer to the U.S. actions as a violation. This line of argument ended there completely. The other two editors claim that "withdrawal" is neutral while "violation" is POV or the the JCPOA is not a legally binding document so apparently it cannot be "violated". Then could not the same argument be made for Iranian non-compliance? Why would Iranian non-compliance be described as a "violation" while U.S. non-compliance is described as a "withdrawal"? Quite frankly, this POV issue causes this section of the article to read more as a CNN op-ed than a wikipedia article. An RfC has also been requested for this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neutral-Iran ( talk • contribs) 07:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm in a dispute with Hipal at Talk:Aparna Rao#Quick review about the current neutrality of the article, and particularly the weight given to sources currently in the article. Could we get some more opinions? Would be much appreciated. Sam-2727 ( talk) 16:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Rao was an anthropologist.
The article was created this year by an editor with a couple of weeks experience, with little help from anyone since, that's being pushed to GA. No conflicts of interest have been declared with any editors.
The only reference we have with any depth on the person is an obituary published the Nomadic Peoples journal. (I've never seen a discussion on such an obit, and am unsure how reliable it should be considered, nor how much weight to give it.) The only reference that appears to hold much weight is a Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute book review. (I'm uncertain how much weight this actually gives. Someone with expertise about the specific journal's book reviews, or something similar would help).
With such references, I'd expect little more than a WP:STUB article. Instead we have 25k article with a 150+ word lede. Editors seem unfamiliar with WP:NOT and WP:DUE, and seem to be assuming that POV means a balance of positive and negative. -- Hipal ( talk) 17:30, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
poor sources and inexperienced editors - how much can we depend on an obit published in an academic journal, and a Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute book review?. It is my understanding that since the obit is fact-checked, being published in an academic journal, we can use some of the factual details present, but the opinions should be treated as opinions, of course. This is for areas of the article where there is an absence of more reliable (i.e. non-obit style) sources. Sam-2727 ( talk) 21:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Although a source may be biased, it may be reliable in the specific context. When dealing with a potentially biased source, editors should consider whether the source meets the normal requirements for reliable sources, such as editorial control, a reputation for fact-checking, and the level of independence from the topic the source is covering. Due to the fact-checking and editorial control present in academic journals, the obituaries are currently being treated as reliable sources for facts (specifically, uncontroversial facts such as when was she born, where did she go to college?) when other sources aren't present, and for opinions are given little weight (since obviously they will only say things supportive of the subject). I thought this was the right approach, but apparently Hipal thinks differently on this. Sam-2727 ( talk) 22:09, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
She spoke multiple languages including Bengali, English, Farsi, French, German, Hindi, Romanes, and Urdu, and
Her parents taught her about socioeconomic conditions in India and gave her a sense of "personal responsibility" and "social conscience"..(which are admittedly probably non-trivial details anways and thus should be removed). Sam-2727 ( talk) 02:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
that isn't really a viewpointI strongly disagree. The approach to this, and related articles, is to include every bit of information on a subject no matter the quality of the reference, the depth that is given in the references, nor the encyclopedic value. -- Hipal ( talk) 16:41, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The Vanessa Beeley article has been totally rewritten by Kashmiri. While supposedly trying to make the article more "neutral" it actually whitewashes the subject by lending undue weight to conspiracy theories surrounding the White Helmets that Beeley has advocated, which reliable sources agree are false. Kashmiri has a history of profringe advocacy on other western pro-assad figures like Piers Robinson, who is best known for his efforts to dispute the Douma chemical attack. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 04:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I seem to have gotten myself into a predicament. I am a long time writer for Quora.com, (since 2016). I was recruited by Quora from another website and it was a good match. Now I have over 3.1 million views and many followers, shares, and am active in one "Space". After noticing and verifying in late 2020 that so called "bots" were not only asking questions on Quora but writing answers, I alerted the authors of the Quora.com Wikipedia post under "Talk". But their response was that the post had already addressed this under QPP, (Quora Partners Program), and that the bots were only asking questions. Feeling that this was not correct, I wrote a second message under a new heading: "Bots Answering Questions" and more strongly laid out my position that this information should be included on Quora.com. But it was not. Using bots is against Quora's own policy. The policy states that writers must be using their "Real Names", which implies that answers are being written by real people. Further, my "Talk" post has been deleted and I cannot find any information why. Other users responding that the bot information should be included also had their posts deleted. I also mentioned that the "Top Writer" program Quora had ended in 2018, and this information was also not included. Now, I have no proof of what I said under Talk because it has been deleted and I cannot find it. Worse yet, someone is going through my answers on Quora and reporting them as "Not Nice". I did not get to 3 million views being not nice. Unbelievably, Quora.com has now tried to bribe me by offering me my own "Space"! All I wanted was correct information on the Quora.com post on Wikipedia! Is there any chance you can go back and find out why my Talk and those of the others was deleted, and why the information that Quora.com is allowing bots is not included in Wikipedia?
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senecawoman ( talk • contribs) 07:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Isn't there a difference between the 2 statements -
The 1st statement is quoted from an online book. This statement has been exaggerated to say Brahmins did not allow ANY shudras to live there in this article. Furthermore the online book 'journey from Madras to Mysore' [1] says '40 years ago 1000s of Brahmins lived here & they did not allow MANY Shudras to stay there'. This statement by the author could have been made, based on his conversation with a villager perhaps during his travel. How can you Quote such a statement to be a FACT! Brahmins & Shudras still exist. Adding such a statement like Brahmins did not allow ANY Shudras is quite divisive , when the source itself is not credible. The justification given by Walrus user is that he added this statement to clarify why the place only has primarily Brahmins. I find this reasoning not convincing. I personally don't think a reason needs to be given for why a place is primarily inhabited by Christians or Muslims or Sikhs. Moreover Walrus has exaggerated the comments from the book, the comments which were probably sought from a villager by the author of an incident that occurred 40 years ago. I tried to talk to him, but he reverted all my edits! My Edits undone by Walrus:
In the talk page, I only requested Walrus to replace 'Brahmins did not allow ANY Shudras' to 'Brahmins did not allow MANY Shudras' & tried to reason with him, as to why even the statement was needed ? But instead Walrus user insists on keeping the statement 'Brahmins did not allow ANY Shudras' & does not want to even change 'ANY' to 'MANY', even though book states 'MANY'. Furthermore the author says that this incident happened 40 years before his travel there & he could have spoken to a villager who gave this info, which is not a reliable !
Brahmins & Shudra communities live in harmony today. To bring up & exaggerate statements such as this from the past is divisive & the reason for adding this statement is bizzare. His own words from the talk page : That bit about caste is relevant to clarify to the reader why this place is the primely inhabited by the Mandyam Iyengar community. The "bit" abt caste added was an exaggeration & I don't think a reason needs to be given for why a place is primarily inhabited by Christians or Muslims or Sikhs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.189.243 ( talk) 05:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I never used any bad words & I have deactivated my account as I realize pretty well by now that Wikipedia users have strong biases. The sad fact is one of my ancestors was killed by Tipu Sultan's army. So it causes me a lot of pain that the atrocities by Tipu on Brahmins are removed & instead a statement defaming Brahmins is added unnecessarily. The source is a book of some person who visited this place & seems to have enquired about brahmins settled there 40 years ago. Right from the day I signed in, I have only been getting warning & threats that your account will be blocked. Anyway Wikipedia is not a reliable source for me. I expect all my comments to be deleted by tomorrow & maybe the Melukote article would have more statements to vilify Brahmins further! Good job! Your statements won't change facts! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.189.243 ( talk) 16:23, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Check the difference below : https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk%3AAnindian2020&type=revision&diff=993031242&oldid=992936831 Walrus user has flagged me and said I am uncivil. When in fact, I never used any uncivil language. I am requesting you to reinstate the 'RETIRED' template on the talk page of 'Anindian2020' & delete it completely for I made a big mistake signing up to edit in Wikipedia. My only comment was to remove 'Brahmins not allowing any shudras' because of reasons mentioned above. But I have faced such stiff & strong opposition from Walrus user to my request. The statement provides no information as such & is divisive. The book also says Brahmans are cunning, showing the bias of the author. One of these 800 brahman was my ancestor who was from Melukote & killed in Srirangapatna. [2]
Read more at: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/71861480.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.189.243 ( talk) 19:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
References
Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
In Talk:Hitler_family#Otto_Hitler there is a controversy how to deal with the 2016 research that Adolf Hitler's brother Otto was on 17 June 1892 - not in 1887 (unspecified) as Hitler biographies had stated so far. In his addition Hitler_family#cite_note-24, user Beyond My Ken frames his conviction that the new date is original research resp. a fringe theory, with statements that I regard as original research and NPOV violation on his own ( difflink):
I ask for feedback on this current version and the desirable general treatment in the article. -- KnightMove ( talk) 07:35, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
The word extremist: (my comment on article talk page) I have reservations about the use of this word and will run them past the WP:NPOV bulletin board. Sources appear to be solid academic stuff but would need to also use the word. Much is made of the Fulani being pastoralists and so are the jihadis in Mali, which doesn’t follow unless someone explains it better to me than that. In Mali aren’t the jihadis Tuareg? that doesn’t sound very close to Nigeria, in either culture or geography ... Maybe a bad generalization, and important to rule out when calling people extremists. Again, for clarity, the sources absolutely must say exact that, but better yet would be to avoid the fighting words and call it Herder-farmer conflicts in Nigeria or some similar name?
I am notifying the author now. I don’t really have a horse in this race, but would appreciate input especially from those familiar with the conflict Elinruby ( talk) 16:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
A relative of the Heinz Haber removed information regarding his uncle's connection to war crimes. The article right omits most involvement besides "was a pilot for the Luftwaffe" at the moment. See talk page. -- Tavin ( talk) 17:37, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Ivanvector wrote an openly biased article about Omar Navarro that appears to go against Wikipedia's requirement of neutrality. He not only brings up Omar Navarro's legal issues but then repeats them in detail in a section that is longer than any other section in his so-called biography. He called Navarro a self-proclaimed small business owner, as though he believes that Navarro is lying about owning a business. He told me Wikipedia is not censored, but Wikipedia states that it has a rule about neutrality. IvanVector, in this article, has not met that standard. He said the information included directly relates to the subject of the article, but left out a lot of information about Navarro that is truly neutral. A biography that focuses on what the writer doesn't like about the subject and hurting his reputation is called slander. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:147:4102:C340:D5DE:7ECA:6BAD:E55E ( talk) 23:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
A few years ago, I was a prolific editor with my own account. At the time, there was ongoing difficulty with this art gallery using Wikipedia to promote its cruise ship auctions and wiki-wash its bad publicity (lawsuits, fraud allegations, etc.).
This first appeared as a link-spam issue but evolved into more of a COI / NPOV problem
Since cleanup in 2008-2009, the article has been gradually re-worked by single-purpose editors to present a more benign view of a very controversial company.
My workload doesn't permit me to edit Wikipedia these days, but I wanted to point out the current problem in case someone here wants to take it on. -- 166.82.66.114 ( talk) 23:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Please remove this search content as it is totally a wrong information but the truth is That Muhammad ﷺ is the Last Prophet) and without that belief no one can be muslim so please pay attention to this issue. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waleed pakistan0699 ( talk • contribs) 05:07, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I want to say that one of page that shows Mirza Masroor as the Caliph of Islam but I wanna say that he is the Caliph of Ahmediya community not of muslims. Dear Sir As per the Laws of Islam and the Constitution of Pakistan Ahmedis are not muslims because they don't agree on the basic belief of Islam i.e Khatam e Nabuwat( That Muhammad ﷺ is the Last Prophet) and without that belief no one can be muslim. I will request you and want to draw attention towards it. Kindly see upon it. Thank You (A Muslim) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.102.1.70 ( talk) 20:19, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
A second opinion on the NPOV dispute at Talk:Mining in Canada would be very much welcome. Essentially, GaiusTranquillusSuetonius argues that the article omits enough relevant material to fail NPOV, and (at least until recently, when I removed the relevant section) included WP:UNDUE material about human rights complaints directed at Canadian firms operating abroad. Thanks, all! AleatoryPonderings ( ???) ( !!!) 20:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
(Random 2 cent opinion) I've been working on Mining in Guyana, and I definitely feel the struggle between "encyclopedic" and "99% of RS references are complaints/incidents". Elinruby puts my mind at some ease. Structure is king! Estheim ( talk) 09:33, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Elinruby I appreciate the methodical and very well reasoned approach, as well as the provided examples. You succinctly, and much more tactfully summarized my concerns. As I am out of line here, I will withdraw the dispute. Thank you Elinruby, Estheim, and AleatoryPonderings for your time and input. GaiusTranquillusSuetonius ( talk) 00:12, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
A new user user:Vic DiCara is editing the page of 108 (band), while a member of the band goes by the name Vic DiCara. At least two edits here and here constitute WP:ORIGINAL research, a WP:CONFLICT of interest and/or are definitely not a WP:NEUTRAL point of view. Based on the level of knowledge level in the edits, I believe these edits are made by the public person and that they are made in good faith. However, they still violate Wikipedia's rules. The user is removing appropriately sourced claims and other changes are made with subjective language such as "excessive" and "minor". I will be notifying the user and reverting the edits momentarily. Kire1975 ( talk) 04:34, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Russian_Revolution&type=revision&diff=995040576&oldid=994676407
TimothyBlue refuses to include « soviet democracy» in the infobox of the Russian Revolution article, thus making it "Establishment of Bolshevik soviet democracy in Russia proper, most of Ukraine, Belarus, Middle Asia and Transcaucasia", for what he concludes: «"voting" with the Cheka holding guns to the heads of their families while the Red Terror raged is not democracy». This is accompanied by books about these Intelligence Services and the Russian Civil War. However, this peer-reviewed journal has an article dedicated to Soviet Democracy, which is introduced with the following:
The purpose of this article is to reveal which elements of the ideas of Soviet democracy legitimized the direct participation of the people, how these ideas shaped the legislative process, how people participated in the law-making process of the new family law of the union, and finally how the Communist Party and draft makers, including state officials and specialists, worked with popular participation. It took about 20 years to adopt the law, and the reason why it took so long was deeply rooted in the ideas of Soviet democracy. The Soviet regime was democratic in its own sense of the word and this article gives it a more democratic face than what is usually imagined, especially among Western people. However, the regime’s unique democratic character seemed to make it rather difficult to function adequately.
This article by David Priestland also discusses the development of Soviet Democracy across the Soviet Union. Suppa chuppa replied with the following, which I found very adequate to this discussion:
I concur. The current "outcome" cell does not cite any source for the results as claimed. And as was said above by others, the discussion and nuance around whether the system that was set up was a "true" democracy is not for us to decide, and the linked-to "soviet democracy" article should have the necessary discussion, sources, and summaries to provide context and explanation
-- BunnyyHop ( talk) 22:17, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
all opposed your changes
I concur. The current "outcome" cell does not cite any source for the results as claimed. And as was said above by others, the discussion and nuance around whether the system that was set up was a "true" democracy is not for us to decide, and the linked-to "soviet democracy" article should have the necessary discussion, sources, and summaries to provide context and explanation. Suppa chuppa (talk) 22:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
It would appear to me that the more specific term (and article to link to) would be to "soviet democracy" instead of listing a generic "dictatorship", as any nuance and discussion as to whether the new government constituted a democracy or what manner of dictatorship (of an individual, of the party, or of the proletariat) is reflected in that page. 73.223.131.178 (talk) 06:09, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Using someone's affiliations as an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting their views—regardless of whether said affiliations are mainstream. An example could be "you're a railfan so what would you know about fashion?" Note that it is not a personal attack to question an editor about their possible conflict of interest on a specific article or topic; but beware – speculating on the real-life identity of another editor may constitute outing.
I am not going to get involved in a topic dispute about a subject I am only slightly familiar with. So I am not going to be much help. However, as I have just pointed out in another thread, ANI is the place to go with concerns about editor behavior. BunnyyHop ( talk · contribs) is right about that. Even if you convinced someone here that a given editor was a Bad Person, that person would most likely have no enforcement powers. I certainly don’t. Displays of acrimony only make people scroll on rather than try to understand the issue. I suggest that everyone restate the dispute as they see it, in three sentences or less, and without reference to other editors. That might help you get an answer. HTH Elinruby ( talk) 10:41, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The purpose of this article is to reveal which elements of the ideas of Soviet democracy legitimized the direct participation of the people, how these ideas shaped the legislative process, how people participated in the law-making process of the new family law of the union, and finally how the Communist Party and draft makers, including state officials and specialists, worked with popular participation. It took about 20 years to adopt the law, and the reason why it took so long was deeply rooted in the ideas of Soviet democracy. The Soviet regime was democratic in its own sense of the word and this article gives it a more democratic face than what is usually imagined, especially among Western people. However, the regime’s unique democratic character seemed to make it rather difficult to function adequately.
The purpose of this article is to reveal which elements of the ideas of Soviet democracy legitimized the direct participation of the people, how these ideas shaped the legislative process, how people participated in the law-making process of the new family law of the union, and finally how the Communist Party and draft makers, including state officials and specialists, worked with popular participation. It took about 20 years to adopt the law, and the reason why it took so long was deeply rooted in the ideas of Soviet democracy. The Soviet regime was democratic in its own sense of the word and this article gives it a more democratic face than what is usually imagined, especially among Western people. However, the regime’s unique democratic character seemed to make it rather difficult to function adequately.
Lenin defended all four elements of Soviet democracy in his seminal theoretical work of 1917, State and Revolution
Elinruby I see what you're saying, thanks for taking your time and putting yourself in this situation. Honestly, I don't think it's worth it. However, the two editors who got rid of that edit had mainly a problem with the term Soviet democracy itself, for what one called «complete ML (as an acronym of Marxism-Leninism) propaganda», and other «parroting statements from a dictatorship». «one-party dictatorship [sic!]» was explicitly accepted by one of those two editors, «soviet democracy» was not. This, to me, is a POV who just wants to censor « Soviet democracy», being thus not neutral editing. The objection the two colleagues raised up was with the concept of soviet democracy, and how it's «propaganda» and so on, even though verifiable sources, (and the article itself), say otherwise. The way one editor reacted with the all the accusations about me, not addressing the main point of the edit, really shows. I find it very complementary to the article, since there are 8 references to «soviet» just in the lead, and the following:
The Bolsheviks had secured a strong base of support within the Soviets and, as the supreme governing party, established a federal government dedicated to reorganizing the former empire into the world's first socialist state, to practice Soviet democracy on a national and international scale
This is actually in the lead. So, it would be logical to include the establishment of soviet democracy in the infobox as one of the outcomes, don't you agree? -- BunnyyHop ( talk) 01:47, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I am currently in a debuckle about whether or not the article of a controversial person, specifically Ferdinand Marcos, is neutral or not according to Wikipedia standards. As stated by this noticeboard, I must give context on the situation.
Ferdinand Marcos is the 10th president of the Philippines that underwent a long reign of 21 years, wherein 2 terms (of 4 years each) are of legal direct election, until he declared martial law near the end of his last term. He ruled for further 14 years until his deposition by EDSA Revolution. He commited several acts of torture and questionable political moves to his opponents, intimidating them under his rule.
I am currently in a dispute with User:Object404 whether or not to insert in a "Neutrality" template. This user has reverted multiple edits, and I commend him for doing so. However I feel that the article is too biased on the situation, now I am not defending the acts of violence, but I am asking whether or not the article really is "neutral" or not based on Wikipedia's standards. I ask your judgement whether or not to insert back the "NPOV" tag/template on the page since the user said above is reverting back my changes, and has a history of reverting changes as stated in this talk page: here and here, arguing to other opinions other than his. I'm gonna leave a notice on his talk page for us to resolve this issue professionally.
With regards, PyroFloe ( talk) 17:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
as an editor who has spent a great deal of time on these issues, I am here to say that thief, corrupt, and kleptocrat are not the same thing. A thief can be anyone, “corrupt” implies power, and kleptocrat means that the system is corrupt, not just a few cabinet members. I am on a phone and could not read the last few remarks. I have not looked at the article. I suggest that the corrupt behavior itself be described, outside the lede where a summarizing description such as kleptocracy may be appropriate Elinruby ( talk) 12:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Is it a NPOV violation to say that Joe Biden won the 2020 election? This has come up on several pages where editors instead add obfuscatory language about the election results. See this dispute on the Sidney Powell page. [5] Is it not instead a NPOV violation to mislead readers into thinking the election results are up in the air and omitting that all challenges of the results are without evidence of large-scale fraud? Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 17:04, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
It is a NPOV violation to not say that Biden won the 2020 election.XOR'easter ( talk) 22:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Query in 2016, Wikipedia "called" the election early on the morning of November 9, when the electoral college counts were obvious as reported by multiple media outlets [6]. What is the policy-compliant reason that the 2020 election should be handled differently? Newimpartial ( talk) 18:15, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
The AP's assessment has been used as the announcement of a winner of the presidential race for decades.According to the AP and all mainstream media, Biden became president elect on November 7, four days after the election, when they determined that there was no longer any doubt about the outcome. That should be good enough for us. Even Trump has acknowledged that Biden "won" the election, but falsely claimed that Biden won because the election was "rigged", see [8]. NightHeron ( talk) 18:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Masem, in 2016 the language Donald Trump defeated Hilary Clinton
and Donald Trump will become president on January 20, 2017
became part of the stable version of the 2016 election article
the night after the election. If people here think that the lack of a concession speech from Trump makes a material difference to either the sourcing requirements or NPOV requirements concerning the election result or who the president-elect is - in the absence of any RS reporting casting doubt on the result - I would like to see what the policy basis of that argument might be.
Newimpartial (
talk) 19:43, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Masem Surely this is wrong "the media's selected President-Elect or the projected winner of the election", the media has not selected anyone as leader, they have simply reported who has one won the USA nation wide popular election. I do admit I am no expert regards the confirmation process.
~ BOD ~
TALK 22:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
if the other person running conceded, that would generally be the end of it, and then we can [state] in factual terms the winner won." In such cases the winner is called president elect days or weeks before the full legal procedure has taken place. So the issue is not that Wikipedia must wait until after the legalities have occurred. Rather, your position that we should not declare as fact that Biden is the president elect is based only on Trump's failure to concede, which in turn is based on his falsehood that the election was stolen from him. All mainstream sources agree that that's a falsehood, and for that reason refer to Biden as president elect. Per NPOV, Wikipedia should do likewise. NightHeron ( talk) 23:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
I have been giving this issue some thought, and I think that the real problem is that there is a conceptual distinction between winning the election and winning the presidency. Hypothetically, for example, if Biden were to die a week before the Electors meet, and the Electors (primarily being Democratic Electors) then cast their electoral votes for Kamala Harris to be president, no one would take this to mean that Biden had "lost" the election, even though it wouldn't be Biden who "won" the Electoral College and then assumed the presidency. As for the possibility that the outcome of the election itself will change, the audits and recounts that have been done to this point have only reinforced the Electoral College vote, and it has been noted that the lawsuits that have been filed do not impugn a sufficient number of votes to change the outcome either. Thus, we can properly reflect sources reporting that Biden won the election, while perhaps noting in a footnote that there are hypothetical scenarios under which the candidate who wins the election still does not win the presidency. My proposal, therefore, is that we refer to Biden as the winner of the election now, but not as the winner of the presidency until after the Electoral College votes. BD2412 T 04:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Could we please get back to the original topic, which was 2020 US presidential election results in Sidney Powell's biography. Only the opening post and one commenter have mentioned Powell. It is unclear which talk page discussion or article content the opening post refers to. Perhaps
this edit (16:24, 15 November 2020), which added content "Joe Biden won the 2020 election"
to the article without providing an inline source. For this is material that is likely to be challenged, it definitely
must have inline citations. This is also a new claim that is not made in the article body.
Currently
the lead says "to challenge president-elect Joe Biden's victory"
. That is not exactly an accurate summary of cited sources, though it would be
verifiable to say that Powell was "seeking to stop state officials from confirming President-elect Joe Biden's victory in Pennsylvania"
. Would that be NPOV? I don't know. That is what the Reuters source is saying, whereas The Hill attributes calling Biden's victory (the word is not used in the source) to media outlets: "election results in several key battleground states that were called by media outlets for President-elect Joe Biden"
.
Politrukki (
talk) 14:25, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The first sentence under WP:DUE reads as such:
"Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources."
I need the "in proportion to prominence of each viewpoint" to be clarified more please. What does it mean exactly?
For instance, if we are talking about POV-A and POV-B and there are 10 and 5 sources respectively for POV-A and POV-B, does DUE say the amount of the content dedicated to POV-A and POV-B should keep the same proportion as 10 and 5? Or does it say keep the proportion for the POVs separately in accordance with the sources? -- Mhhossein talk 07:43, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
You could also try to match the balance used by reliable secondary/tertiary sources if there are such things that took a neutral approach to comparing them. I'd usually just consider the available ratios to be vaguely, "about even, more of this one, a lot more of this one" instead of counting sentences or words or anything.
I'm not entirely sure what your last question means, specifically what the last option you give is supposed to mean. But the policy you're referring to means something close to first option you give. Again remembering that a straight counting of sources is neither the best nor the only way to determine the proportion of viewpoints. Someguy1221 ( talk) 12:24, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Suppose for a given topic there is controversy X. In that controversy X, 10 sources take POV-A, but 5 sources take POV-B. We can agree that a section on controversy X should give POV-A twice as much weight as POV-B. But how much weight should the controversy section as a whole be given? A little weight or a lot of weight? How can that be determined?
Insights please. Thanks. -- Mhhossein talk 18:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to direct your attention towards Talk:Uyghur genocide. Several newly registered accounts are active in the latest discussion (bit of a dead horse re: the title), denying the genocide, as well as trying to slander researcher Adrian Zenz's good name and reputation. Comments such as comedic religious beleifs about g-d wanting him to fight big bad China. This is hardly a neutral academic…[an] end-times tinfoil hatter and his anti-China defense-contractor sponsored think tanks violate BLP, TALK and FORUM. I think Drmies gave a nicely worded warning, but they kept going anyway. See also Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Uyghur_genocidal_denial,_pro_Chinese_soap_boxing. 81.191.204.248 ( talk) 05:10, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Let’s make it really simple. These rules aren’t being invented to annoy China; they apply all over Wikipedia. Nobody should ever use the voice of Wikipedia to call anyone tin-foil hatted. Accusations of antisemitim require careful attribution, and even then are usually inappropriate except in articles about Nazi Germany and the like. Personally, I have seen enough coverage in reliable sources to convince me that these camps aren’t just jolly vocational training opportunities, but ok, if that is still what China has to say about this, then it should be in there somewhere. But “neutral” does not extend to removing material because you yelled some slurs about the source. If you are in fact editing in good faith, you should go read the reliable sources policy then demonstrate that the sources you dislike do not meet the criteria. Or, alternatively, you could add your own material that complies with that policy. And calm down. Your last tirade convinced me, personally, that you are indeed WP:NOTTHERE. This matter seems to be in capsble hands so I will wander off now. Elinruby ( talk) 16:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
This discussion has gotten very off topic and spun into ad-hominen against me and has become irrelevant to what this page is for (neutrality in articles), especially considering that I did not even change the article mainspace itself (merely expressed a dissenting opinion to the choice of article title on the talkpage). If anyone else wishes to drag my name, please find somewhere else. I stand by the fact that as a Wikipedian I have the same right as the rest of us to voice an opinion about choice of sources and critisize and article title ON A TALKPAGE. If you disagree with other edits I make, take it up on the TALKPAGE of that article. If you don't like me because I eventually read the PD-Russia-1996 template and am one of the only Wikimedians that bothers pre-1946 publications for photos invoking that template, well, good luck arguing in favor of allowing fair-use on Commons.-- PlanespotterA320 ( talk) 22:49, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
I want to call the attention over the Baháʼí Faith on life after death article and how it has a large subsection regarding near death experience whose current wording clearly pushes the narrative that the Bahai believes are "correct" and confirmed by the NDE, let's see:
In addition to outlining scriptural references examining the afterlife some have specifically examined parallels between the statements in the scriptures and scholarly statements about stages of Near-death experiences Many qualities reported by NDErs find parallels in Baháʼí writings - the quality of the experience being ineffable, having a heavenly body, a realm of light, meeting others, reviewing one's life, and meeting a superlative being of light. Additionally the kinds of positive transformation the NDErs report also find parallels in the values Baháʼís are encouraged to seek - a new appreciation of knowledge and learning, the importance of love, an absence of fear of death, the importance of physical life on earth, a belief in the sanctity of human nature, and an emphasis on manifesting such positive attributes as love, justice, selfless service, unity, and peace - something viewed by NDErs and Baháʼís as being important to all religions and rising above specifics of doctrines and sectarianism. Negative experiences of NDErs are also paralleled in Baháʼí writings[36] - the effect of suicide, the prospect of "limbo" for "breaking the rules", that when taking the chance to learn from mistakes is important and that the life review includes facing the negative deeds done, even of hellish experiences.
-- Dereck Camacho ( talk) 22:50, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Could someone please take a look at the edits of User:Guherto? Removing the Kurdish alphabet from ISO character encodings with comments like "unused and abandoned alphabet" 20:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC) 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:585E:7B15:2693:D09A ( talk)
It appears that this edit, this edit, this edit and this one by User:Dwid hellion go against WP:NPOV, WP:CONFLICT and WP:ORIGINAL. User goes by the same name as the well known lead singer of Integrity (band) the band whose page he is editing and is leaving comments in a manner consistent with it actually being him.
Furthermore, the user's contribution history shows at least 500 edits since 2010 and almost all of them are on his own band's page. He even created a draft for a biography page for himself.
He has also been warned about vandalizing wikipedia, disruptive editing and conflict of interest/npov violations in may 2009, August 2010, January 2013, February 2013 and March 2013. Three media images uploaded by the user were also deleted for being orphaned and unencyclopedic.
Questionable material on Integrity (band) has been tagged, a discussion on the talk page has been opened and the user has been notified. Kire1975 ( talk) 01:40, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
As often happens, it appears that Dwid hellion just needed someone to treat him like a human being and explain in a friendly way why we don't let band members edit their own pages. I had a talk with him, and he hasn't edited the page since the 16th. He still needs to learn about such things as signing posts, but he seems to understand our COI policies and to be cooperating with me. I suggest closing this as "problem solved -- no action required".
I find Kire1975's behavior towards Dwid Hellion and his band to be inappropriate. I stopped directly interacting with Kire1975 (and I will not respond when his inevitable reply accusing me of all sorts of wrong doing gets posted in response to this comment) but a look at his edit history shows that he appears to have a personal animosity against Dwid Hellion. This may be because of the themes of Dwid Hellion's music, which anger many people.
The page on the band is still somewhat promotional and needs work (I am swamped with a real-world project but hope to get to that soon) but Kire1975 does not appear to be willing to actually edit the page to fix any problems he sees ( WP:SOFIXIT) or indeed to explain exactly what wording in the article he would find acceptable. To anyone reading this that has some time, I encourage you to go to Integrity (band) and do some copy editing. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 13:06, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
An RfC has been launched concerning whether and what to say about various speculations as to the sexuality and gender identity of this 19th Century figure. The NPOV question is whether this is DUE WEIGHT in the context of everything that has been considered noteworthy by RS over the past 200 years. Please participate here. SPECIFICO talk 21:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
[12] The user keeps POV-pushing in templates and articles alike. Firestar464 ( talk) 06:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
For example, this. [13] Whatever the case, they are POV-pushing. Firestar464 ( talk) 07:05, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Apparently, they are trying to remove all connections between the "ROC" and "Taiwan." [14] Firestar464 ( talk) 07:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The article at this address: /info/en/?search=Donald_Trump is not neutral. It contains a lot of biased statements. Many of these statements are only partially true. It is important, in order to maintain the integrity of Wikipedia's reputation, to correct biased articles such as this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.109.82 ( talk) 22:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Regarding Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, the article has a "Transgender portrayal" section at the end. The section does not exhaust all sources that discuss the trans coverage mentioned in reliable sources. (There are additional links on the talk page.) This subtopic has been contentious in the past few years, including last week. While the page was protected from IP editing, I brought the matter up at Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard due to WP:FRINGE having been referenced by editors who oppose having such a section. The discussion can be seen here, and it appears that WP:FRINGE does not apply.
To take the matter a step further, I would like to ask editors on this noticeboard, how would you apply WP:UNDUE to the matter? Is a section with three paragraphs too little, sufficient, or too much? For what it is worth, it is possible to write even more from additional sources (not to mention having more of a context-establishing primer). In addition, I had expanded other parts of the article so the film has coverage in general, but it does not have too much more. Another consideration is to have a spin-off article at Lois Einhorn (to discuss the character and the transphobic reaction), with the main article having a one-paragraph summary section. Thoughts? Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 19:37, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Lana Del Rey has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.-- Bettydaisies ( talk) 01:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello, these articles, Maryam Rajavi and Press TV appear to be scrubbed of any edits by editors outside of a group of editors who show appearances of a COI based on their edits and deliberate ignoring of any talk page discussions between other editors showing different consensus than the ones they are seeking to uphold on these controversial articles.
USERs with Apparent COI: Philip Cross and {{U|HistoryofIran}.
DIFFs:
(1) Maryam Rajavi article -- https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Maryam_Rajavi&diff=999828562&oldid=999828215 (my edits) versus the current article.
(2) Press TV article -- https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Press_TV&diff=999835883&oldid=999834499
Several articles exist from reputable third party sources bringing into debate these user names and their persistent non-neutral POVs in editing articles: 1- https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-44495696; 2- https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/18/philip-cross-know-mysterious-wikipedia-editor-7640122/ 3- https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/russian-and-leftists-witch-hunt-against-pro-israel-wikipedia-editor-1.6115917
Even the articles defending this username concede that there is a non-neutral bias. Cross has been banned by WikiPedia in the past for such behavior, but re-presents it here. For example, Cross entered into an edit war against me and then followed me across articles (from PressTV to Maryam Rajavi) to eliminate any of my edits, including removing my edits based on me being a "banned user", yet that also being a manipulation of WikiPedia guidelines by these editors against new entrants to prevent any NPOV editors from making changes to the articles they preserve.
DeweyDecimalLansky ( talk) 20:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed that there are many articles in the Category:War crimes tree that meet the common-sense definition of the term (ex. massacres of civilians) but the term is not used in the article and/or not cited. Should citation be required to avoid WP:EDITORIALIZING/ WP:OR, and should a war crime category be removed from such articles until a relevant citation is provided? What is the recommended best practice in such cases? Leave the term/category in without references or remove it unless citations are provided? (note that tagging for citation doesn't address the categorization issue, as there's no way to tag categories for 'citation needed' and many articles I reviewed do not use the term anywhere outside the category tree). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:03, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Is it sufficient to add a war crimes category to the article?It should be a characteristic
that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having. If the broader corpus of reliable sources do not describe the subject as a "war crime", then an historian, or even a group of historians, is likely not sufficient. - Ryk72 talk 09:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
I would say as its a crime, we apply the same standards. Slatersteven ( talk) 11:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
This is not about whether someone has been convicted of a war crime, but whether the academic consensus is that a war crime occurred. Otherwise there will be a huge (winners put the losers on trial) systemic bias in the categorisation, among other things. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 09:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
2021 storming of the United States Capitol ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The article states: "The riots were incited by comments made by Trump at an earlier rally."
This violates NPOV and BLP policies by reporting accusations of a crime as fact. These allegations need to be clearly attributed to sources and not stated as fact in Wikipedia's editorial voice.
I first raised this issue in Talk:2021 storming of the United States Capitol/Archive 3 § Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 January 2021 (3).
I then raised the issue at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard § 2021 storming of the United States Capitol - claim that Trump incited the riots.
The overall sentiment seems to be that since everybody really hates Trump, we can throw Wikipedia's neutrality guidelines out the window. In my opinion, the opposite is true: since this is such an emotional topic, it's all the more important that Wikipedia remain neutral and let the facts and sources speak for themselves. AnonQuixote ( talk) 17:04, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Daveout
(talk) 18:49, 8 January 2021 (UTC)Per no original research, it is not up to Wikipedia editors to determine what Trump meant. The Democratic platform for example says, “Democrats will always fight to end discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, language, religion, gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.” [18] Does that mean they incited violence at the ensuing BLM demonstrations?
Trump's statement was actually "We fight, we fight like hell." It's in the youtube video at 4:03:29. [19] Like the Democratic platform, it's in the first personal plural, not the second person imperative. I don't see it as an incitement to violence, nor did anyone else before the attack on the Capitol. Of course at some point experts will establish that one way or the other.
Not sure how this compares with Goebbels's 1943 speech. Goebbels said, "Now, people, rise up, and let the storm break loose!" No subtlety or doublespeak there. In any case, Germany was at war. A literal war, where gunfire was exchanged.
TFD ( talk) 07:55, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
It is not a neutral approach to decide how to phrase events then search for sources instead of merely trying to summarize what sources say. Of your four sources, two in fact say that Trump incited the mob to violence. Fortune provides probably the best phrasing, "Many top political figures are converging on a stunning consensus: President Donald Trump personally incited a violent attack on the U.S. Capitol building...." As People accused of crime says, "A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law." The argument that incitement does not necessarily imply a crime is disingenuous, since Trump is facing both criminal prosecution and impeachment.
I would like to point out that I have challenged the inclusion or phrasing of allegations against people across the political spectrum. Personally, I like to hear from both sides before deciding what actually happened and even then often reserve judgment until the case has been concluded. I don't see the necessity or desirability determining what actually happened before the courts and mainstream media.
Incidentally, the term riot is also problematic. In a riot, the assembly must be unlawful and all persons involved are equally guilty for the consequences. Is a person who protested but left before the building was entered guilty of the deaths and destruction that occurred later? Perhaps.
TFD ( talk) 15:14, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
In fact there is no consensus in reliable sources. Your comment that I am suggesting that it is impossible to predict the results of one's actions shows a lack of understanding of the issues involved. That's not what the experts who question whether incitement occurred are saying. They are saying that the violence was not reasonably foreseeable and that they people who carried out the violence did not do so because of what Trump said. Imagine if Trump had won the election and Biden's supporters got out of hand and how you might view this differently. TFD ( talk) 10:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
extremists rioting last summer egged on by radical leftist mayors. We don't haver about who built the pyramids purely on the basis of the UFOlogists' ramblings, and we cannot claim Trump did anything but incite the mob if that's what reliable sources (and commons sense) demand we do. GPinkerton ( talk) 12:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I am against using passive voice, on the grounds that it is usually weasel, although if there ever were a case for weasel, this might possibly be it. Trump is litigious and under US libel law generally one says “alleged” until the matter has been ajudicated. And yet. It is apparently post hoc ergo propter hoc, but how much evidence does one need? The rioters at the Capitol were echoing phrases from Trump’s speech and flying his flag. If I may make a suggestion: it is true that this is Wikipedia not a courtroom, but after reading down the comments here, it seems to me that the disagreement is specifically about the word “incite”. He paid the organizers of the rally, who had ties to his campaign, a large sum of money from his campaign funds. [1]This should be included in the article if it is not already. I have been following these events quite closely, and I rather like the way the ‘’Boston Globe’’ handled this: “Before mob stormed US Capitol, Trump told them to ‘fight like hell’” [2] This underlines the close proximity of these events without actually implying causation in Wikivoice. HTH Elinruby ( talk) 10:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
I work for NowMedical. I raised numerous RS, UNDUE, and NPOV issues on the NowMedical Talk page here regarding the "Criticisms and controversies" section. I was unsure which noticeboard I should use to draw attention to my requested changes, but this seemed like the right place. I would like to request that an editor review some or all of the issues/changes I shared on the Talk page and implement whatever changes they think are proper. MarthaLuke ( talk) 17:24, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Don't bother searching for the full name, although it's quite likely that this was a massacre. However, at the moment reports that this happened are being accepted as fact in the article. Our article on the church itself calls it the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion and the apostrophe used in the title doesn't seem to be used much, my search showed up "Maryam Tsion". Doug Weller talk 16:27, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.I’m starting this dispute resolution after I tried the Talk Page and the problem was not resolved.
This DR is filed for the Wikipedia page of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan. As a platform to provide valid and accurate information about entities, Wikipedia has provided tools for contributors to edit articles.
The article about Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan includes disinformation and misinformation, and I have tried to correct the wrong information posted through friendly discussions with sources and links on the Talk page. Specifically speaking, this organization is a Kurdish opposition group which works for the promotions of democracy and freedoms in Iran and its Kurdish region. It’s one of the two major Kurdish political parties with a long history. Through its long history, it has gone through a lot of changes in its values and policies. At some point, the organization joined forces with the Communist Party of Iran. It’s fine to mention that in the history of the organization, but Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is NOT a communist party. these days. In fact, KPIK is promoting social democracy and it has been its ideological and political basis for a long time passed in its convention. KPIC is a member of international organizations of social democratic organizations. [1] [2]The article should reflect this fact to be valid and reliable.
As an opposition group opposing the values and policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran, KPIC has been named a terrorist group by the Iranian government. To be neutral, we would like the article to mention Iran as a state-sponsor or terrorism and it’s IRGC as a terrorist organization. As far as the Japanese government is concerned, we are in contact with their missions to resolve the issue and we believe the source for that news story is invalid and unreliable. There are theee organizations in Iran using the acronym Komala and the Japanese website does NOT clearly mention which organization it is referring to in that brief description. Besides, KPIC has condemned that act in a press release immediately after the incident.
Iran is famous for having a cyber army of well-trained hackers. It’s obvious this page is being controlled by the Iranian hackers. If you look at the history of the article, you will find out changes and additions are immediately reversed or removed by those users. In a normal situation, it would take a while for such changes to be reviewed. Unless you are assigned to monitor this page and reverse edits, you cannot change, remove or reverse things instantly. Please refer to the history to find out.
I am filing this application for a DR in hopes for the article about Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan to be valid, accurate and neutral. This article needs to a be reliable source with contributions from neutral editors but most editors and users working on this article are not neutral. Instead they are mostly trying their best to define KPIC as an evil force and that’s what the hackers of the Iranian cyber army want. These hackers are very professional and well trained and these sabotage actions is part of their job indeed. I’m formally asking for a third party to help resolve this dispute. I’m willing to provide reliable sources for all my comments and arguments here.
"The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan (Kurdish: كۆمهڵهی شۆڕشگێڕی زهحمهتكێشانی كوردستانی ئێران, romanized: Komełey Şorrişgêrrî Zehmetkêşanî Kurdistanî Êran, lit. 'Society of Revolutionary Toilers of Iranian Kurdistan'), commonly shortened to Komalah (Kurdish: Komełe; Persian: کومله), is a social democratic political party [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] from the Kurdish region of Iran. Komala has been seeking a secular democratic federal [9] [10] [11] [12] ruling system to replace the current theocratic regime. It is currently exiled in northern iraq where its leadership and media are operating from" [13] [14]Internationally Komala is a member of International Socialist [15] and Progressive Alliance, [16] both umbrella organizations for social democrats, socialist and progressive forces. Aside from that, it is committed to prohibition on sexual violence and child protection in armed conflicts [17] [18] [19] as well as a ban on anti-personnel mines. [20] [21].
Kak kayvan ( talk) 17:36, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
References
I'd appreciate further input for a discussion taking place at Talk:The First TV#O’Reilly material in lead belongs on his article only. The article, which I drafted as a disclosed paid editor, was accepted via AfC very recently and it is thus unlikely that anyone is watching the article aside from the two who are involved in the present dispute. To summarize the dispute: Bilorv made this edit to the second sentence of the article. I believe the addition is irrelevant and falls under WP:COATRACK and Bilorv disagrees. I would appreciate others weighing in here. D00dadays ( talk) 21:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Input by users experienced with the topic area would be welcome at Talk:GameStop_short_squeeze#Conspiracy_Theories. ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 00:40, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China seems to fail the NPOC policy, where it seems to be an advertisement for the group, with plenty of photos that has to do with conflict between China and the West, rather than the IPAC group itself. It also present points of view such as "military occupation of Tibet" and "Chinese expansionism" as factual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.29.8 ( talk) 14:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
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There are disputes on a number of talk pages of articles about Syrian settlements (including but not limited to
Talk:Al-Malikiyah,
Talk:Al-Muabbada,
Talk:Al-Jawadiyah) over what titles the articles should have. My understanding from
Talk:Kobanî#Requested_move_19_December_2019 is that we're obliged to follow
WP:COMMONNAME, i.e. the name the place is best known in English-language sources, no matter its official name or how it's known locally. It'd be great to know if this really is the relevant policy, as it is being opposed pretty much everywhere I propose it, usually on the basis that, as these places are part of the Syrian Arab Republic, they ought to be called by their Arabic names, as per Syrian law. As far as I know,
Kobanî is the only Syrian settlement that has been moved on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME, from its official name of Ayn al-Arab.
Konli17 (
talk) 11:19, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps I wasn't clear about how I believe this violates NPOV. This resistance to
WP:COMMONNAME is driven by Arab/Syrian nationalism. It can countenance Latin (
Damascus#Names_and_etymology) or Italian (
Aleppo#Etymology) names being used to refer to Syrian cities, but not Kurdish or Assyrian, no matter the common name.
Kurds and
Assyrians have traditionally been oppressed in Syria, and the notion of extending equality to their languages is difficult for some.
Konli17 (
talk) 13:11, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
the rest of the names are sub-names omar kandil ( talk) 08:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Konli17 is a blocked sock Shadow4dark ( talk) 18:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
As has been raised, to no avail on the talk page of the article on Donald Trump under the section "Biased" there is clearly a left-wing bias which has been pushed under the carpet by some. The most apparent bias is shown when there is a whole section in the article dedicated to "false statements" why not, by the same token, have true statements? Many other world leaders, indeed, other US Presidents have made false statements yet it seems most prominent when it concerns Donald Trump.
There needs to be a review in this and the current article is only fit for propaganda by the Democrats. DukeBiggie1 ( talk) 19:48, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
The article being discussed is Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#US_withdrawal and this issue was discussed without resolution in Talk:Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#U.S._Violation_vs._Withdrawal. I am in a dispute about whether U.S. non-compliance with the JCPOA should be labeled as "withdrawal" or "violation". First, it is a legal fact that one cannot withdraw from an agreement with no withdrawal clause -- hence the U.S. cannot withdraw from this agreement, it can only violate it, this is a legal fact and pointed out by several news sources I linked in the talk page. Second, U.S. infringements are labeled "withdrawal" while Iranian infringements are labeled "violations". The other editors claim that "violation" is POV. There are sources which use both terminologies for both the U.S. and Iran -- it is clearly biased to extend the POV argument to the U.S., but not Iran. I offered a compromise which is that both U.S. and Iranian violations be labeled as "withdrawal" or "partial withdrawal", which resolves the POV argument, but it appears that this compromise was not accepted.
The other editors do not make any consistent arguments in the talk page. The first editor makes the claim that some sources refer to the U.S. actions as a withdrawal -- I point out that there are several sources, which I provided, which refer to the U.S. actions as a violation. This line of argument ended there completely. The other two editors claim that "withdrawal" is neutral while "violation" is POV or the the JCPOA is not a legally binding document so apparently it cannot be "violated". Then could not the same argument be made for Iranian non-compliance? Why would Iranian non-compliance be described as a "violation" while U.S. non-compliance is described as a "withdrawal"? Quite frankly, this POV issue causes this section of the article to read more as a CNN op-ed than a wikipedia article. An RfC has also been requested for this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neutral-Iran ( talk • contribs) 07:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm in a dispute with Hipal at Talk:Aparna Rao#Quick review about the current neutrality of the article, and particularly the weight given to sources currently in the article. Could we get some more opinions? Would be much appreciated. Sam-2727 ( talk) 16:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Rao was an anthropologist.
The article was created this year by an editor with a couple of weeks experience, with little help from anyone since, that's being pushed to GA. No conflicts of interest have been declared with any editors.
The only reference we have with any depth on the person is an obituary published the Nomadic Peoples journal. (I've never seen a discussion on such an obit, and am unsure how reliable it should be considered, nor how much weight to give it.) The only reference that appears to hold much weight is a Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute book review. (I'm uncertain how much weight this actually gives. Someone with expertise about the specific journal's book reviews, or something similar would help).
With such references, I'd expect little more than a WP:STUB article. Instead we have 25k article with a 150+ word lede. Editors seem unfamiliar with WP:NOT and WP:DUE, and seem to be assuming that POV means a balance of positive and negative. -- Hipal ( talk) 17:30, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
poor sources and inexperienced editors - how much can we depend on an obit published in an academic journal, and a Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute book review?. It is my understanding that since the obit is fact-checked, being published in an academic journal, we can use some of the factual details present, but the opinions should be treated as opinions, of course. This is for areas of the article where there is an absence of more reliable (i.e. non-obit style) sources. Sam-2727 ( talk) 21:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Although a source may be biased, it may be reliable in the specific context. When dealing with a potentially biased source, editors should consider whether the source meets the normal requirements for reliable sources, such as editorial control, a reputation for fact-checking, and the level of independence from the topic the source is covering. Due to the fact-checking and editorial control present in academic journals, the obituaries are currently being treated as reliable sources for facts (specifically, uncontroversial facts such as when was she born, where did she go to college?) when other sources aren't present, and for opinions are given little weight (since obviously they will only say things supportive of the subject). I thought this was the right approach, but apparently Hipal thinks differently on this. Sam-2727 ( talk) 22:09, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
She spoke multiple languages including Bengali, English, Farsi, French, German, Hindi, Romanes, and Urdu, and
Her parents taught her about socioeconomic conditions in India and gave her a sense of "personal responsibility" and "social conscience"..(which are admittedly probably non-trivial details anways and thus should be removed). Sam-2727 ( talk) 02:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
that isn't really a viewpointI strongly disagree. The approach to this, and related articles, is to include every bit of information on a subject no matter the quality of the reference, the depth that is given in the references, nor the encyclopedic value. -- Hipal ( talk) 16:41, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The Vanessa Beeley article has been totally rewritten by Kashmiri. While supposedly trying to make the article more "neutral" it actually whitewashes the subject by lending undue weight to conspiracy theories surrounding the White Helmets that Beeley has advocated, which reliable sources agree are false. Kashmiri has a history of profringe advocacy on other western pro-assad figures like Piers Robinson, who is best known for his efforts to dispute the Douma chemical attack. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 04:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I seem to have gotten myself into a predicament. I am a long time writer for Quora.com, (since 2016). I was recruited by Quora from another website and it was a good match. Now I have over 3.1 million views and many followers, shares, and am active in one "Space". After noticing and verifying in late 2020 that so called "bots" were not only asking questions on Quora but writing answers, I alerted the authors of the Quora.com Wikipedia post under "Talk". But their response was that the post had already addressed this under QPP, (Quora Partners Program), and that the bots were only asking questions. Feeling that this was not correct, I wrote a second message under a new heading: "Bots Answering Questions" and more strongly laid out my position that this information should be included on Quora.com. But it was not. Using bots is against Quora's own policy. The policy states that writers must be using their "Real Names", which implies that answers are being written by real people. Further, my "Talk" post has been deleted and I cannot find any information why. Other users responding that the bot information should be included also had their posts deleted. I also mentioned that the "Top Writer" program Quora had ended in 2018, and this information was also not included. Now, I have no proof of what I said under Talk because it has been deleted and I cannot find it. Worse yet, someone is going through my answers on Quora and reporting them as "Not Nice". I did not get to 3 million views being not nice. Unbelievably, Quora.com has now tried to bribe me by offering me my own "Space"! All I wanted was correct information on the Quora.com post on Wikipedia! Is there any chance you can go back and find out why my Talk and those of the others was deleted, and why the information that Quora.com is allowing bots is not included in Wikipedia?
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senecawoman ( talk • contribs) 07:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Isn't there a difference between the 2 statements -
The 1st statement is quoted from an online book. This statement has been exaggerated to say Brahmins did not allow ANY shudras to live there in this article. Furthermore the online book 'journey from Madras to Mysore' [1] says '40 years ago 1000s of Brahmins lived here & they did not allow MANY Shudras to stay there'. This statement by the author could have been made, based on his conversation with a villager perhaps during his travel. How can you Quote such a statement to be a FACT! Brahmins & Shudras still exist. Adding such a statement like Brahmins did not allow ANY Shudras is quite divisive , when the source itself is not credible. The justification given by Walrus user is that he added this statement to clarify why the place only has primarily Brahmins. I find this reasoning not convincing. I personally don't think a reason needs to be given for why a place is primarily inhabited by Christians or Muslims or Sikhs. Moreover Walrus has exaggerated the comments from the book, the comments which were probably sought from a villager by the author of an incident that occurred 40 years ago. I tried to talk to him, but he reverted all my edits! My Edits undone by Walrus:
In the talk page, I only requested Walrus to replace 'Brahmins did not allow ANY Shudras' to 'Brahmins did not allow MANY Shudras' & tried to reason with him, as to why even the statement was needed ? But instead Walrus user insists on keeping the statement 'Brahmins did not allow ANY Shudras' & does not want to even change 'ANY' to 'MANY', even though book states 'MANY'. Furthermore the author says that this incident happened 40 years before his travel there & he could have spoken to a villager who gave this info, which is not a reliable !
Brahmins & Shudra communities live in harmony today. To bring up & exaggerate statements such as this from the past is divisive & the reason for adding this statement is bizzare. His own words from the talk page : That bit about caste is relevant to clarify to the reader why this place is the primely inhabited by the Mandyam Iyengar community. The "bit" abt caste added was an exaggeration & I don't think a reason needs to be given for why a place is primarily inhabited by Christians or Muslims or Sikhs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.189.243 ( talk) 05:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I never used any bad words & I have deactivated my account as I realize pretty well by now that Wikipedia users have strong biases. The sad fact is one of my ancestors was killed by Tipu Sultan's army. So it causes me a lot of pain that the atrocities by Tipu on Brahmins are removed & instead a statement defaming Brahmins is added unnecessarily. The source is a book of some person who visited this place & seems to have enquired about brahmins settled there 40 years ago. Right from the day I signed in, I have only been getting warning & threats that your account will be blocked. Anyway Wikipedia is not a reliable source for me. I expect all my comments to be deleted by tomorrow & maybe the Melukote article would have more statements to vilify Brahmins further! Good job! Your statements won't change facts! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.189.243 ( talk) 16:23, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Check the difference below : https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk%3AAnindian2020&type=revision&diff=993031242&oldid=992936831 Walrus user has flagged me and said I am uncivil. When in fact, I never used any uncivil language. I am requesting you to reinstate the 'RETIRED' template on the talk page of 'Anindian2020' & delete it completely for I made a big mistake signing up to edit in Wikipedia. My only comment was to remove 'Brahmins not allowing any shudras' because of reasons mentioned above. But I have faced such stiff & strong opposition from Walrus user to my request. The statement provides no information as such & is divisive. The book also says Brahmans are cunning, showing the bias of the author. One of these 800 brahman was my ancestor who was from Melukote & killed in Srirangapatna. [2]
Read more at: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/71861480.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.189.243 ( talk) 19:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
References
Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
In Talk:Hitler_family#Otto_Hitler there is a controversy how to deal with the 2016 research that Adolf Hitler's brother Otto was on 17 June 1892 - not in 1887 (unspecified) as Hitler biographies had stated so far. In his addition Hitler_family#cite_note-24, user Beyond My Ken frames his conviction that the new date is original research resp. a fringe theory, with statements that I regard as original research and NPOV violation on his own ( difflink):
I ask for feedback on this current version and the desirable general treatment in the article. -- KnightMove ( talk) 07:35, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
The word extremist: (my comment on article talk page) I have reservations about the use of this word and will run them past the WP:NPOV bulletin board. Sources appear to be solid academic stuff but would need to also use the word. Much is made of the Fulani being pastoralists and so are the jihadis in Mali, which doesn’t follow unless someone explains it better to me than that. In Mali aren’t the jihadis Tuareg? that doesn’t sound very close to Nigeria, in either culture or geography ... Maybe a bad generalization, and important to rule out when calling people extremists. Again, for clarity, the sources absolutely must say exact that, but better yet would be to avoid the fighting words and call it Herder-farmer conflicts in Nigeria or some similar name?
I am notifying the author now. I don’t really have a horse in this race, but would appreciate input especially from those familiar with the conflict Elinruby ( talk) 16:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
A relative of the Heinz Haber removed information regarding his uncle's connection to war crimes. The article right omits most involvement besides "was a pilot for the Luftwaffe" at the moment. See talk page. -- Tavin ( talk) 17:37, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Ivanvector wrote an openly biased article about Omar Navarro that appears to go against Wikipedia's requirement of neutrality. He not only brings up Omar Navarro's legal issues but then repeats them in detail in a section that is longer than any other section in his so-called biography. He called Navarro a self-proclaimed small business owner, as though he believes that Navarro is lying about owning a business. He told me Wikipedia is not censored, but Wikipedia states that it has a rule about neutrality. IvanVector, in this article, has not met that standard. He said the information included directly relates to the subject of the article, but left out a lot of information about Navarro that is truly neutral. A biography that focuses on what the writer doesn't like about the subject and hurting his reputation is called slander. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:147:4102:C340:D5DE:7ECA:6BAD:E55E ( talk) 23:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
A few years ago, I was a prolific editor with my own account. At the time, there was ongoing difficulty with this art gallery using Wikipedia to promote its cruise ship auctions and wiki-wash its bad publicity (lawsuits, fraud allegations, etc.).
This first appeared as a link-spam issue but evolved into more of a COI / NPOV problem
Since cleanup in 2008-2009, the article has been gradually re-worked by single-purpose editors to present a more benign view of a very controversial company.
My workload doesn't permit me to edit Wikipedia these days, but I wanted to point out the current problem in case someone here wants to take it on. -- 166.82.66.114 ( talk) 23:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Please remove this search content as it is totally a wrong information but the truth is That Muhammad ﷺ is the Last Prophet) and without that belief no one can be muslim so please pay attention to this issue. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waleed pakistan0699 ( talk • contribs) 05:07, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I want to say that one of page that shows Mirza Masroor as the Caliph of Islam but I wanna say that he is the Caliph of Ahmediya community not of muslims. Dear Sir As per the Laws of Islam and the Constitution of Pakistan Ahmedis are not muslims because they don't agree on the basic belief of Islam i.e Khatam e Nabuwat( That Muhammad ﷺ is the Last Prophet) and without that belief no one can be muslim. I will request you and want to draw attention towards it. Kindly see upon it. Thank You (A Muslim) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.102.1.70 ( talk) 20:19, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
A second opinion on the NPOV dispute at Talk:Mining in Canada would be very much welcome. Essentially, GaiusTranquillusSuetonius argues that the article omits enough relevant material to fail NPOV, and (at least until recently, when I removed the relevant section) included WP:UNDUE material about human rights complaints directed at Canadian firms operating abroad. Thanks, all! AleatoryPonderings ( ???) ( !!!) 20:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
(Random 2 cent opinion) I've been working on Mining in Guyana, and I definitely feel the struggle between "encyclopedic" and "99% of RS references are complaints/incidents". Elinruby puts my mind at some ease. Structure is king! Estheim ( talk) 09:33, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Elinruby I appreciate the methodical and very well reasoned approach, as well as the provided examples. You succinctly, and much more tactfully summarized my concerns. As I am out of line here, I will withdraw the dispute. Thank you Elinruby, Estheim, and AleatoryPonderings for your time and input. GaiusTranquillusSuetonius ( talk) 00:12, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
A new user user:Vic DiCara is editing the page of 108 (band), while a member of the band goes by the name Vic DiCara. At least two edits here and here constitute WP:ORIGINAL research, a WP:CONFLICT of interest and/or are definitely not a WP:NEUTRAL point of view. Based on the level of knowledge level in the edits, I believe these edits are made by the public person and that they are made in good faith. However, they still violate Wikipedia's rules. The user is removing appropriately sourced claims and other changes are made with subjective language such as "excessive" and "minor". I will be notifying the user and reverting the edits momentarily. Kire1975 ( talk) 04:34, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Russian_Revolution&type=revision&diff=995040576&oldid=994676407
TimothyBlue refuses to include « soviet democracy» in the infobox of the Russian Revolution article, thus making it "Establishment of Bolshevik soviet democracy in Russia proper, most of Ukraine, Belarus, Middle Asia and Transcaucasia", for what he concludes: «"voting" with the Cheka holding guns to the heads of their families while the Red Terror raged is not democracy». This is accompanied by books about these Intelligence Services and the Russian Civil War. However, this peer-reviewed journal has an article dedicated to Soviet Democracy, which is introduced with the following:
The purpose of this article is to reveal which elements of the ideas of Soviet democracy legitimized the direct participation of the people, how these ideas shaped the legislative process, how people participated in the law-making process of the new family law of the union, and finally how the Communist Party and draft makers, including state officials and specialists, worked with popular participation. It took about 20 years to adopt the law, and the reason why it took so long was deeply rooted in the ideas of Soviet democracy. The Soviet regime was democratic in its own sense of the word and this article gives it a more democratic face than what is usually imagined, especially among Western people. However, the regime’s unique democratic character seemed to make it rather difficult to function adequately.
This article by David Priestland also discusses the development of Soviet Democracy across the Soviet Union. Suppa chuppa replied with the following, which I found very adequate to this discussion:
I concur. The current "outcome" cell does not cite any source for the results as claimed. And as was said above by others, the discussion and nuance around whether the system that was set up was a "true" democracy is not for us to decide, and the linked-to "soviet democracy" article should have the necessary discussion, sources, and summaries to provide context and explanation
-- BunnyyHop ( talk) 22:17, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
all opposed your changes
I concur. The current "outcome" cell does not cite any source for the results as claimed. And as was said above by others, the discussion and nuance around whether the system that was set up was a "true" democracy is not for us to decide, and the linked-to "soviet democracy" article should have the necessary discussion, sources, and summaries to provide context and explanation. Suppa chuppa (talk) 22:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
It would appear to me that the more specific term (and article to link to) would be to "soviet democracy" instead of listing a generic "dictatorship", as any nuance and discussion as to whether the new government constituted a democracy or what manner of dictatorship (of an individual, of the party, or of the proletariat) is reflected in that page. 73.223.131.178 (talk) 06:09, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Using someone's affiliations as an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting their views—regardless of whether said affiliations are mainstream. An example could be "you're a railfan so what would you know about fashion?" Note that it is not a personal attack to question an editor about their possible conflict of interest on a specific article or topic; but beware – speculating on the real-life identity of another editor may constitute outing.
I am not going to get involved in a topic dispute about a subject I am only slightly familiar with. So I am not going to be much help. However, as I have just pointed out in another thread, ANI is the place to go with concerns about editor behavior. BunnyyHop ( talk · contribs) is right about that. Even if you convinced someone here that a given editor was a Bad Person, that person would most likely have no enforcement powers. I certainly don’t. Displays of acrimony only make people scroll on rather than try to understand the issue. I suggest that everyone restate the dispute as they see it, in three sentences or less, and without reference to other editors. That might help you get an answer. HTH Elinruby ( talk) 10:41, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The purpose of this article is to reveal which elements of the ideas of Soviet democracy legitimized the direct participation of the people, how these ideas shaped the legislative process, how people participated in the law-making process of the new family law of the union, and finally how the Communist Party and draft makers, including state officials and specialists, worked with popular participation. It took about 20 years to adopt the law, and the reason why it took so long was deeply rooted in the ideas of Soviet democracy. The Soviet regime was democratic in its own sense of the word and this article gives it a more democratic face than what is usually imagined, especially among Western people. However, the regime’s unique democratic character seemed to make it rather difficult to function adequately.
The purpose of this article is to reveal which elements of the ideas of Soviet democracy legitimized the direct participation of the people, how these ideas shaped the legislative process, how people participated in the law-making process of the new family law of the union, and finally how the Communist Party and draft makers, including state officials and specialists, worked with popular participation. It took about 20 years to adopt the law, and the reason why it took so long was deeply rooted in the ideas of Soviet democracy. The Soviet regime was democratic in its own sense of the word and this article gives it a more democratic face than what is usually imagined, especially among Western people. However, the regime’s unique democratic character seemed to make it rather difficult to function adequately.
Lenin defended all four elements of Soviet democracy in his seminal theoretical work of 1917, State and Revolution
Elinruby I see what you're saying, thanks for taking your time and putting yourself in this situation. Honestly, I don't think it's worth it. However, the two editors who got rid of that edit had mainly a problem with the term Soviet democracy itself, for what one called «complete ML (as an acronym of Marxism-Leninism) propaganda», and other «parroting statements from a dictatorship». «one-party dictatorship [sic!]» was explicitly accepted by one of those two editors, «soviet democracy» was not. This, to me, is a POV who just wants to censor « Soviet democracy», being thus not neutral editing. The objection the two colleagues raised up was with the concept of soviet democracy, and how it's «propaganda» and so on, even though verifiable sources, (and the article itself), say otherwise. The way one editor reacted with the all the accusations about me, not addressing the main point of the edit, really shows. I find it very complementary to the article, since there are 8 references to «soviet» just in the lead, and the following:
The Bolsheviks had secured a strong base of support within the Soviets and, as the supreme governing party, established a federal government dedicated to reorganizing the former empire into the world's first socialist state, to practice Soviet democracy on a national and international scale
This is actually in the lead. So, it would be logical to include the establishment of soviet democracy in the infobox as one of the outcomes, don't you agree? -- BunnyyHop ( talk) 01:47, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I am currently in a debuckle about whether or not the article of a controversial person, specifically Ferdinand Marcos, is neutral or not according to Wikipedia standards. As stated by this noticeboard, I must give context on the situation.
Ferdinand Marcos is the 10th president of the Philippines that underwent a long reign of 21 years, wherein 2 terms (of 4 years each) are of legal direct election, until he declared martial law near the end of his last term. He ruled for further 14 years until his deposition by EDSA Revolution. He commited several acts of torture and questionable political moves to his opponents, intimidating them under his rule.
I am currently in a dispute with User:Object404 whether or not to insert in a "Neutrality" template. This user has reverted multiple edits, and I commend him for doing so. However I feel that the article is too biased on the situation, now I am not defending the acts of violence, but I am asking whether or not the article really is "neutral" or not based on Wikipedia's standards. I ask your judgement whether or not to insert back the "NPOV" tag/template on the page since the user said above is reverting back my changes, and has a history of reverting changes as stated in this talk page: here and here, arguing to other opinions other than his. I'm gonna leave a notice on his talk page for us to resolve this issue professionally.
With regards, PyroFloe ( talk) 17:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
as an editor who has spent a great deal of time on these issues, I am here to say that thief, corrupt, and kleptocrat are not the same thing. A thief can be anyone, “corrupt” implies power, and kleptocrat means that the system is corrupt, not just a few cabinet members. I am on a phone and could not read the last few remarks. I have not looked at the article. I suggest that the corrupt behavior itself be described, outside the lede where a summarizing description such as kleptocracy may be appropriate Elinruby ( talk) 12:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Is it a NPOV violation to say that Joe Biden won the 2020 election? This has come up on several pages where editors instead add obfuscatory language about the election results. See this dispute on the Sidney Powell page. [5] Is it not instead a NPOV violation to mislead readers into thinking the election results are up in the air and omitting that all challenges of the results are without evidence of large-scale fraud? Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 17:04, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
It is a NPOV violation to not say that Biden won the 2020 election.XOR'easter ( talk) 22:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Query in 2016, Wikipedia "called" the election early on the morning of November 9, when the electoral college counts were obvious as reported by multiple media outlets [6]. What is the policy-compliant reason that the 2020 election should be handled differently? Newimpartial ( talk) 18:15, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
The AP's assessment has been used as the announcement of a winner of the presidential race for decades.According to the AP and all mainstream media, Biden became president elect on November 7, four days after the election, when they determined that there was no longer any doubt about the outcome. That should be good enough for us. Even Trump has acknowledged that Biden "won" the election, but falsely claimed that Biden won because the election was "rigged", see [8]. NightHeron ( talk) 18:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Masem, in 2016 the language Donald Trump defeated Hilary Clinton
and Donald Trump will become president on January 20, 2017
became part of the stable version of the 2016 election article
the night after the election. If people here think that the lack of a concession speech from Trump makes a material difference to either the sourcing requirements or NPOV requirements concerning the election result or who the president-elect is - in the absence of any RS reporting casting doubt on the result - I would like to see what the policy basis of that argument might be.
Newimpartial (
talk) 19:43, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Masem Surely this is wrong "the media's selected President-Elect or the projected winner of the election", the media has not selected anyone as leader, they have simply reported who has one won the USA nation wide popular election. I do admit I am no expert regards the confirmation process.
~ BOD ~
TALK 22:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
if the other person running conceded, that would generally be the end of it, and then we can [state] in factual terms the winner won." In such cases the winner is called president elect days or weeks before the full legal procedure has taken place. So the issue is not that Wikipedia must wait until after the legalities have occurred. Rather, your position that we should not declare as fact that Biden is the president elect is based only on Trump's failure to concede, which in turn is based on his falsehood that the election was stolen from him. All mainstream sources agree that that's a falsehood, and for that reason refer to Biden as president elect. Per NPOV, Wikipedia should do likewise. NightHeron ( talk) 23:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
I have been giving this issue some thought, and I think that the real problem is that there is a conceptual distinction between winning the election and winning the presidency. Hypothetically, for example, if Biden were to die a week before the Electors meet, and the Electors (primarily being Democratic Electors) then cast their electoral votes for Kamala Harris to be president, no one would take this to mean that Biden had "lost" the election, even though it wouldn't be Biden who "won" the Electoral College and then assumed the presidency. As for the possibility that the outcome of the election itself will change, the audits and recounts that have been done to this point have only reinforced the Electoral College vote, and it has been noted that the lawsuits that have been filed do not impugn a sufficient number of votes to change the outcome either. Thus, we can properly reflect sources reporting that Biden won the election, while perhaps noting in a footnote that there are hypothetical scenarios under which the candidate who wins the election still does not win the presidency. My proposal, therefore, is that we refer to Biden as the winner of the election now, but not as the winner of the presidency until after the Electoral College votes. BD2412 T 04:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Could we please get back to the original topic, which was 2020 US presidential election results in Sidney Powell's biography. Only the opening post and one commenter have mentioned Powell. It is unclear which talk page discussion or article content the opening post refers to. Perhaps
this edit (16:24, 15 November 2020), which added content "Joe Biden won the 2020 election"
to the article without providing an inline source. For this is material that is likely to be challenged, it definitely
must have inline citations. This is also a new claim that is not made in the article body.
Currently
the lead says "to challenge president-elect Joe Biden's victory"
. That is not exactly an accurate summary of cited sources, though it would be
verifiable to say that Powell was "seeking to stop state officials from confirming President-elect Joe Biden's victory in Pennsylvania"
. Would that be NPOV? I don't know. That is what the Reuters source is saying, whereas The Hill attributes calling Biden's victory (the word is not used in the source) to media outlets: "election results in several key battleground states that were called by media outlets for President-elect Joe Biden"
.
Politrukki (
talk) 14:25, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The first sentence under WP:DUE reads as such:
"Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources."
I need the "in proportion to prominence of each viewpoint" to be clarified more please. What does it mean exactly?
For instance, if we are talking about POV-A and POV-B and there are 10 and 5 sources respectively for POV-A and POV-B, does DUE say the amount of the content dedicated to POV-A and POV-B should keep the same proportion as 10 and 5? Or does it say keep the proportion for the POVs separately in accordance with the sources? -- Mhhossein talk 07:43, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
You could also try to match the balance used by reliable secondary/tertiary sources if there are such things that took a neutral approach to comparing them. I'd usually just consider the available ratios to be vaguely, "about even, more of this one, a lot more of this one" instead of counting sentences or words or anything.
I'm not entirely sure what your last question means, specifically what the last option you give is supposed to mean. But the policy you're referring to means something close to first option you give. Again remembering that a straight counting of sources is neither the best nor the only way to determine the proportion of viewpoints. Someguy1221 ( talk) 12:24, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Suppose for a given topic there is controversy X. In that controversy X, 10 sources take POV-A, but 5 sources take POV-B. We can agree that a section on controversy X should give POV-A twice as much weight as POV-B. But how much weight should the controversy section as a whole be given? A little weight or a lot of weight? How can that be determined?
Insights please. Thanks. -- Mhhossein talk 18:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to direct your attention towards Talk:Uyghur genocide. Several newly registered accounts are active in the latest discussion (bit of a dead horse re: the title), denying the genocide, as well as trying to slander researcher Adrian Zenz's good name and reputation. Comments such as comedic religious beleifs about g-d wanting him to fight big bad China. This is hardly a neutral academic…[an] end-times tinfoil hatter and his anti-China defense-contractor sponsored think tanks violate BLP, TALK and FORUM. I think Drmies gave a nicely worded warning, but they kept going anyway. See also Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Uyghur_genocidal_denial,_pro_Chinese_soap_boxing. 81.191.204.248 ( talk) 05:10, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Let’s make it really simple. These rules aren’t being invented to annoy China; they apply all over Wikipedia. Nobody should ever use the voice of Wikipedia to call anyone tin-foil hatted. Accusations of antisemitim require careful attribution, and even then are usually inappropriate except in articles about Nazi Germany and the like. Personally, I have seen enough coverage in reliable sources to convince me that these camps aren’t just jolly vocational training opportunities, but ok, if that is still what China has to say about this, then it should be in there somewhere. But “neutral” does not extend to removing material because you yelled some slurs about the source. If you are in fact editing in good faith, you should go read the reliable sources policy then demonstrate that the sources you dislike do not meet the criteria. Or, alternatively, you could add your own material that complies with that policy. And calm down. Your last tirade convinced me, personally, that you are indeed WP:NOTTHERE. This matter seems to be in capsble hands so I will wander off now. Elinruby ( talk) 16:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
This discussion has gotten very off topic and spun into ad-hominen against me and has become irrelevant to what this page is for (neutrality in articles), especially considering that I did not even change the article mainspace itself (merely expressed a dissenting opinion to the choice of article title on the talkpage). If anyone else wishes to drag my name, please find somewhere else. I stand by the fact that as a Wikipedian I have the same right as the rest of us to voice an opinion about choice of sources and critisize and article title ON A TALKPAGE. If you disagree with other edits I make, take it up on the TALKPAGE of that article. If you don't like me because I eventually read the PD-Russia-1996 template and am one of the only Wikimedians that bothers pre-1946 publications for photos invoking that template, well, good luck arguing in favor of allowing fair-use on Commons.-- PlanespotterA320 ( talk) 22:49, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
I want to call the attention over the Baháʼí Faith on life after death article and how it has a large subsection regarding near death experience whose current wording clearly pushes the narrative that the Bahai believes are "correct" and confirmed by the NDE, let's see:
In addition to outlining scriptural references examining the afterlife some have specifically examined parallels between the statements in the scriptures and scholarly statements about stages of Near-death experiences Many qualities reported by NDErs find parallels in Baháʼí writings - the quality of the experience being ineffable, having a heavenly body, a realm of light, meeting others, reviewing one's life, and meeting a superlative being of light. Additionally the kinds of positive transformation the NDErs report also find parallels in the values Baháʼís are encouraged to seek - a new appreciation of knowledge and learning, the importance of love, an absence of fear of death, the importance of physical life on earth, a belief in the sanctity of human nature, and an emphasis on manifesting such positive attributes as love, justice, selfless service, unity, and peace - something viewed by NDErs and Baháʼís as being important to all religions and rising above specifics of doctrines and sectarianism. Negative experiences of NDErs are also paralleled in Baháʼí writings[36] - the effect of suicide, the prospect of "limbo" for "breaking the rules", that when taking the chance to learn from mistakes is important and that the life review includes facing the negative deeds done, even of hellish experiences.
-- Dereck Camacho ( talk) 22:50, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Could someone please take a look at the edits of User:Guherto? Removing the Kurdish alphabet from ISO character encodings with comments like "unused and abandoned alphabet" 20:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC) 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:585E:7B15:2693:D09A ( talk)
It appears that this edit, this edit, this edit and this one by User:Dwid hellion go against WP:NPOV, WP:CONFLICT and WP:ORIGINAL. User goes by the same name as the well known lead singer of Integrity (band) the band whose page he is editing and is leaving comments in a manner consistent with it actually being him.
Furthermore, the user's contribution history shows at least 500 edits since 2010 and almost all of them are on his own band's page. He even created a draft for a biography page for himself.
He has also been warned about vandalizing wikipedia, disruptive editing and conflict of interest/npov violations in may 2009, August 2010, January 2013, February 2013 and March 2013. Three media images uploaded by the user were also deleted for being orphaned and unencyclopedic.
Questionable material on Integrity (band) has been tagged, a discussion on the talk page has been opened and the user has been notified. Kire1975 ( talk) 01:40, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
As often happens, it appears that Dwid hellion just needed someone to treat him like a human being and explain in a friendly way why we don't let band members edit their own pages. I had a talk with him, and he hasn't edited the page since the 16th. He still needs to learn about such things as signing posts, but he seems to understand our COI policies and to be cooperating with me. I suggest closing this as "problem solved -- no action required".
I find Kire1975's behavior towards Dwid Hellion and his band to be inappropriate. I stopped directly interacting with Kire1975 (and I will not respond when his inevitable reply accusing me of all sorts of wrong doing gets posted in response to this comment) but a look at his edit history shows that he appears to have a personal animosity against Dwid Hellion. This may be because of the themes of Dwid Hellion's music, which anger many people.
The page on the band is still somewhat promotional and needs work (I am swamped with a real-world project but hope to get to that soon) but Kire1975 does not appear to be willing to actually edit the page to fix any problems he sees ( WP:SOFIXIT) or indeed to explain exactly what wording in the article he would find acceptable. To anyone reading this that has some time, I encourage you to go to Integrity (band) and do some copy editing. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 13:06, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
An RfC has been launched concerning whether and what to say about various speculations as to the sexuality and gender identity of this 19th Century figure. The NPOV question is whether this is DUE WEIGHT in the context of everything that has been considered noteworthy by RS over the past 200 years. Please participate here. SPECIFICO talk 21:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
[12] The user keeps POV-pushing in templates and articles alike. Firestar464 ( talk) 06:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
For example, this. [13] Whatever the case, they are POV-pushing. Firestar464 ( talk) 07:05, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Apparently, they are trying to remove all connections between the "ROC" and "Taiwan." [14] Firestar464 ( talk) 07:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The article at this address: /info/en/?search=Donald_Trump is not neutral. It contains a lot of biased statements. Many of these statements are only partially true. It is important, in order to maintain the integrity of Wikipedia's reputation, to correct biased articles such as this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.109.82 ( talk) 22:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Regarding Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, the article has a "Transgender portrayal" section at the end. The section does not exhaust all sources that discuss the trans coverage mentioned in reliable sources. (There are additional links on the talk page.) This subtopic has been contentious in the past few years, including last week. While the page was protected from IP editing, I brought the matter up at Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard due to WP:FRINGE having been referenced by editors who oppose having such a section. The discussion can be seen here, and it appears that WP:FRINGE does not apply.
To take the matter a step further, I would like to ask editors on this noticeboard, how would you apply WP:UNDUE to the matter? Is a section with three paragraphs too little, sufficient, or too much? For what it is worth, it is possible to write even more from additional sources (not to mention having more of a context-establishing primer). In addition, I had expanded other parts of the article so the film has coverage in general, but it does not have too much more. Another consideration is to have a spin-off article at Lois Einhorn (to discuss the character and the transphobic reaction), with the main article having a one-paragraph summary section. Thoughts? Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 19:37, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Lana Del Rey has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.-- Bettydaisies ( talk) 01:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello, these articles, Maryam Rajavi and Press TV appear to be scrubbed of any edits by editors outside of a group of editors who show appearances of a COI based on their edits and deliberate ignoring of any talk page discussions between other editors showing different consensus than the ones they are seeking to uphold on these controversial articles.
USERs with Apparent COI: Philip Cross and {{U|HistoryofIran}.
DIFFs:
(1) Maryam Rajavi article -- https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Maryam_Rajavi&diff=999828562&oldid=999828215 (my edits) versus the current article.
(2) Press TV article -- https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Press_TV&diff=999835883&oldid=999834499
Several articles exist from reputable third party sources bringing into debate these user names and their persistent non-neutral POVs in editing articles: 1- https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-44495696; 2- https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/18/philip-cross-know-mysterious-wikipedia-editor-7640122/ 3- https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/russian-and-leftists-witch-hunt-against-pro-israel-wikipedia-editor-1.6115917
Even the articles defending this username concede that there is a non-neutral bias. Cross has been banned by WikiPedia in the past for such behavior, but re-presents it here. For example, Cross entered into an edit war against me and then followed me across articles (from PressTV to Maryam Rajavi) to eliminate any of my edits, including removing my edits based on me being a "banned user", yet that also being a manipulation of WikiPedia guidelines by these editors against new entrants to prevent any NPOV editors from making changes to the articles they preserve.
DeweyDecimalLansky ( talk) 20:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed that there are many articles in the Category:War crimes tree that meet the common-sense definition of the term (ex. massacres of civilians) but the term is not used in the article and/or not cited. Should citation be required to avoid WP:EDITORIALIZING/ WP:OR, and should a war crime category be removed from such articles until a relevant citation is provided? What is the recommended best practice in such cases? Leave the term/category in without references or remove it unless citations are provided? (note that tagging for citation doesn't address the categorization issue, as there's no way to tag categories for 'citation needed' and many articles I reviewed do not use the term anywhere outside the category tree). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:03, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Is it sufficient to add a war crimes category to the article?It should be a characteristic
that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having. If the broader corpus of reliable sources do not describe the subject as a "war crime", then an historian, or even a group of historians, is likely not sufficient. - Ryk72 talk 09:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
I would say as its a crime, we apply the same standards. Slatersteven ( talk) 11:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
This is not about whether someone has been convicted of a war crime, but whether the academic consensus is that a war crime occurred. Otherwise there will be a huge (winners put the losers on trial) systemic bias in the categorisation, among other things. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 09:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
2021 storming of the United States Capitol ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The article states: "The riots were incited by comments made by Trump at an earlier rally."
This violates NPOV and BLP policies by reporting accusations of a crime as fact. These allegations need to be clearly attributed to sources and not stated as fact in Wikipedia's editorial voice.
I first raised this issue in Talk:2021 storming of the United States Capitol/Archive 3 § Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 January 2021 (3).
I then raised the issue at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard § 2021 storming of the United States Capitol - claim that Trump incited the riots.
The overall sentiment seems to be that since everybody really hates Trump, we can throw Wikipedia's neutrality guidelines out the window. In my opinion, the opposite is true: since this is such an emotional topic, it's all the more important that Wikipedia remain neutral and let the facts and sources speak for themselves. AnonQuixote ( talk) 17:04, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Daveout
(talk) 18:49, 8 January 2021 (UTC)Per no original research, it is not up to Wikipedia editors to determine what Trump meant. The Democratic platform for example says, “Democrats will always fight to end discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, language, religion, gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.” [18] Does that mean they incited violence at the ensuing BLM demonstrations?
Trump's statement was actually "We fight, we fight like hell." It's in the youtube video at 4:03:29. [19] Like the Democratic platform, it's in the first personal plural, not the second person imperative. I don't see it as an incitement to violence, nor did anyone else before the attack on the Capitol. Of course at some point experts will establish that one way or the other.
Not sure how this compares with Goebbels's 1943 speech. Goebbels said, "Now, people, rise up, and let the storm break loose!" No subtlety or doublespeak there. In any case, Germany was at war. A literal war, where gunfire was exchanged.
TFD ( talk) 07:55, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
It is not a neutral approach to decide how to phrase events then search for sources instead of merely trying to summarize what sources say. Of your four sources, two in fact say that Trump incited the mob to violence. Fortune provides probably the best phrasing, "Many top political figures are converging on a stunning consensus: President Donald Trump personally incited a violent attack on the U.S. Capitol building...." As People accused of crime says, "A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law." The argument that incitement does not necessarily imply a crime is disingenuous, since Trump is facing both criminal prosecution and impeachment.
I would like to point out that I have challenged the inclusion or phrasing of allegations against people across the political spectrum. Personally, I like to hear from both sides before deciding what actually happened and even then often reserve judgment until the case has been concluded. I don't see the necessity or desirability determining what actually happened before the courts and mainstream media.
Incidentally, the term riot is also problematic. In a riot, the assembly must be unlawful and all persons involved are equally guilty for the consequences. Is a person who protested but left before the building was entered guilty of the deaths and destruction that occurred later? Perhaps.
TFD ( talk) 15:14, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
In fact there is no consensus in reliable sources. Your comment that I am suggesting that it is impossible to predict the results of one's actions shows a lack of understanding of the issues involved. That's not what the experts who question whether incitement occurred are saying. They are saying that the violence was not reasonably foreseeable and that they people who carried out the violence did not do so because of what Trump said. Imagine if Trump had won the election and Biden's supporters got out of hand and how you might view this differently. TFD ( talk) 10:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
extremists rioting last summer egged on by radical leftist mayors. We don't haver about who built the pyramids purely on the basis of the UFOlogists' ramblings, and we cannot claim Trump did anything but incite the mob if that's what reliable sources (and commons sense) demand we do. GPinkerton ( talk) 12:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I am against using passive voice, on the grounds that it is usually weasel, although if there ever were a case for weasel, this might possibly be it. Trump is litigious and under US libel law generally one says “alleged” until the matter has been ajudicated. And yet. It is apparently post hoc ergo propter hoc, but how much evidence does one need? The rioters at the Capitol were echoing phrases from Trump’s speech and flying his flag. If I may make a suggestion: it is true that this is Wikipedia not a courtroom, but after reading down the comments here, it seems to me that the disagreement is specifically about the word “incite”. He paid the organizers of the rally, who had ties to his campaign, a large sum of money from his campaign funds. [1]This should be included in the article if it is not already. I have been following these events quite closely, and I rather like the way the ‘’Boston Globe’’ handled this: “Before mob stormed US Capitol, Trump told them to ‘fight like hell’” [2] This underlines the close proximity of these events without actually implying causation in Wikivoice. HTH Elinruby ( talk) 10:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
I work for NowMedical. I raised numerous RS, UNDUE, and NPOV issues on the NowMedical Talk page here regarding the "Criticisms and controversies" section. I was unsure which noticeboard I should use to draw attention to my requested changes, but this seemed like the right place. I would like to request that an editor review some or all of the issues/changes I shared on the Talk page and implement whatever changes they think are proper. MarthaLuke ( talk) 17:24, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Don't bother searching for the full name, although it's quite likely that this was a massacre. However, at the moment reports that this happened are being accepted as fact in the article. Our article on the church itself calls it the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion and the apostrophe used in the title doesn't seem to be used much, my search showed up "Maryam Tsion". Doug Weller talk 16:27, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.I’m starting this dispute resolution after I tried the Talk Page and the problem was not resolved.
This DR is filed for the Wikipedia page of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan. As a platform to provide valid and accurate information about entities, Wikipedia has provided tools for contributors to edit articles.
The article about Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan includes disinformation and misinformation, and I have tried to correct the wrong information posted through friendly discussions with sources and links on the Talk page. Specifically speaking, this organization is a Kurdish opposition group which works for the promotions of democracy and freedoms in Iran and its Kurdish region. It’s one of the two major Kurdish political parties with a long history. Through its long history, it has gone through a lot of changes in its values and policies. At some point, the organization joined forces with the Communist Party of Iran. It’s fine to mention that in the history of the organization, but Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is NOT a communist party. these days. In fact, KPIK is promoting social democracy and it has been its ideological and political basis for a long time passed in its convention. KPIC is a member of international organizations of social democratic organizations. [1] [2]The article should reflect this fact to be valid and reliable.
As an opposition group opposing the values and policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran, KPIC has been named a terrorist group by the Iranian government. To be neutral, we would like the article to mention Iran as a state-sponsor or terrorism and it’s IRGC as a terrorist organization. As far as the Japanese government is concerned, we are in contact with their missions to resolve the issue and we believe the source for that news story is invalid and unreliable. There are theee organizations in Iran using the acronym Komala and the Japanese website does NOT clearly mention which organization it is referring to in that brief description. Besides, KPIC has condemned that act in a press release immediately after the incident.
Iran is famous for having a cyber army of well-trained hackers. It’s obvious this page is being controlled by the Iranian hackers. If you look at the history of the article, you will find out changes and additions are immediately reversed or removed by those users. In a normal situation, it would take a while for such changes to be reviewed. Unless you are assigned to monitor this page and reverse edits, you cannot change, remove or reverse things instantly. Please refer to the history to find out.
I am filing this application for a DR in hopes for the article about Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan to be valid, accurate and neutral. This article needs to a be reliable source with contributions from neutral editors but most editors and users working on this article are not neutral. Instead they are mostly trying their best to define KPIC as an evil force and that’s what the hackers of the Iranian cyber army want. These hackers are very professional and well trained and these sabotage actions is part of their job indeed. I’m formally asking for a third party to help resolve this dispute. I’m willing to provide reliable sources for all my comments and arguments here.
"The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan (Kurdish: كۆمهڵهی شۆڕشگێڕی زهحمهتكێشانی كوردستانی ئێران, romanized: Komełey Şorrişgêrrî Zehmetkêşanî Kurdistanî Êran, lit. 'Society of Revolutionary Toilers of Iranian Kurdistan'), commonly shortened to Komalah (Kurdish: Komełe; Persian: کومله), is a social democratic political party [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] from the Kurdish region of Iran. Komala has been seeking a secular democratic federal [9] [10] [11] [12] ruling system to replace the current theocratic regime. It is currently exiled in northern iraq where its leadership and media are operating from" [13] [14]Internationally Komala is a member of International Socialist [15] and Progressive Alliance, [16] both umbrella organizations for social democrats, socialist and progressive forces. Aside from that, it is committed to prohibition on sexual violence and child protection in armed conflicts [17] [18] [19] as well as a ban on anti-personnel mines. [20] [21].
Kak kayvan ( talk) 17:36, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
References
I'd appreciate further input for a discussion taking place at Talk:The First TV#O’Reilly material in lead belongs on his article only. The article, which I drafted as a disclosed paid editor, was accepted via AfC very recently and it is thus unlikely that anyone is watching the article aside from the two who are involved in the present dispute. To summarize the dispute: Bilorv made this edit to the second sentence of the article. I believe the addition is irrelevant and falls under WP:COATRACK and Bilorv disagrees. I would appreciate others weighing in here. D00dadays ( talk) 21:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Input by users experienced with the topic area would be welcome at Talk:GameStop_short_squeeze#Conspiracy_Theories. ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 00:40, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China seems to fail the NPOC policy, where it seems to be an advertisement for the group, with plenty of photos that has to do with conflict between China and the West, rather than the IPAC group itself. It also present points of view such as "military occupation of Tibet" and "Chinese expansionism" as factual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.29.8 ( talk) 14:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC)