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Happy editing! DoubleGrazing ( talk) 07:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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 The comment the reviewer left was:

Could be notable, but the sources cited are insufficient to establish that, consisting of primary source (interview, works written by the subject, etc.) and passing mentions. We need to see what others have said about him in reliable, independent secondary sources providing significant coverage of the subject. (See WP:GNG for guidance.)

Or if some sort of specific notability is being asserted per WP:AUTHOR, please specify clearly where this arises and what evidence supports the assertion.

Also, too much of the content is not support by referencing. Please ensure that every material statement is backed up by a reliable source, ideally cited inline via footnotes.

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DoubleGrazing ( talk) 07:11, 3 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello, Geoffproehl970! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing ( talk) 07:11, 3 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Re: Mark Bly Article

Dear DoubleGrazing - First of all, thank you for your feedback. I have read it carefully several times and, now that I have time, would like to revise and resubmit the article on Mark Bly no later than the end of the month (August 2022). Any advice you have for me, in addition to what you have already sent, will be appreciated. When I resubmit, will it go to you or someone else? I'd much rather work with a single editor - you.

With regard to conflict of interest, Mark and I have known each other for many years primarily via annual conferences for Literary Managers and Dramaturgs of the Americas. And I have written positively about one of his books on Amazon. We have played, however, quite different roles in the field itself. Mark is one of the most significant leaders of a first generation of professional dramaturgs. I am not a professional dramaturg, nor a figure in this first wave. I am an academic who has written extensively about the field in both Dramaturgy in American Theatre and Toward a Dramaturgical Sensibility. I co-edited Dramaturgy in American Theatre and have, since the 1990s, compiled an extensive bibliography of publications on dramaturgy, currently over 40 pages long. I have also been an archivist of the field through the University of Puget Sound where I taught from 1994-2019. I have written encylopedia entries on dramaturgy and the dramaturg. I would argue that these perspectives make me the kind of qualified, second-hand author most equipped to detail the work of someone like Mark, and others like him. Leading practitioners, many of them women, are woefully under-represented in Wikipedia.

If, after all, you feel I am too close to the subject then I will leave this work to another scholar. But it seems to me that the real test of this page should finally be how it responds to your notes from a neutral, well-referenced perspective. This is what I hope to address in the days ahead. Thanks for your help and interest. - Geoff Proehl Geoffproehl970 ( talk) 19:03, 15 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Mark Bly, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as B-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. This is a fantastic rating for a new article, and places it among the top 3% of accepted submissions — major kudos to you! You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

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_Signed, Pichemist ^{( Contribs | Talk )} 19:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Thank you for you positive feedback on the article Pichemist, which is, I must say, a great user name. I am extremely pleased the article has been accepted and that the rating is as positive as it is.

I will in the months ahead continue to work on it to two ends: 1. achieving "good article" status; 2. removal of "close connection" disclaimer.

I am new to Wikipedia and don't know if you have time to respond, but any suggestions you might have, particularly with regards to item #2 would be appreciated. I am, as I noted above, an acquaintance of Mr. Bly but my motivation in writing this article is as a historian of this new field of dramaturgy, which I've written about and worked in for the past thirty years.

I tried to address this in the most recent revisions I did on the article and also in a note in "Talk" about how I viewed the "Conflict of Interest" concern, but we clearly have more work to do.

Any suggestions you might have so that the article does not in any way read as "puffery" and maintains a neutral tone so that the article can stand without any disclaimer would be deeply appreciated. Thanks again for the kind and encouraging words - Geoffproehl970 Geoffproehl970 ( talk) 20:33, 9 January 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi, @ Geoffproehl970, and thanks for the article. In future, when you've a question about an edit, feel free to click on an editor's talk page link, found in their signature, click on the + sign tab at the talk page top, and ask the editor directly. This will save you time. I highly recommend the Teahouse, for many and sundry questions otherwise.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 15:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC) reply

Thanks. Will do. Thanks for your kind and thoughtful assistance recently and in the past with regard to the topic: Mark Bly. - Geoffproehl970 Geoffproehl970 ( talk) 19:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC) reply

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