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As it stands, Cyprus does not have a note indicating that it is also in Europe. Considering it appears in the European template, due to its socio-political links to the continent, and as it is a member of the European Union, should it note have the note attached to it regarding its position in both Europe and Asia? 82.45.225.4 ( talk) 16:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Indonesia has too. Please add interwiki http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templat:Asia Reindra ( talk) 04:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place here on how best to incorporate unrecognised states into a navigation template listing sovereign states and other entities. Some editors have suggested that including such states at all is pushing an imbalanced point of view. Others have made the same argument for not including them. Various conciliatory methods have been proposed, but have not acheived consensus. Editors should note that the outcome of this discussion will most likely have implications on this template aswell. For more information, please have a look at this casefile, or see the before-mentioned discussion page. Night w ( talk) 04:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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If that is the case, that's fine, but then Taiwan should not be included in this list, which strangely it is. In my opinion it would be best to remove this clause, and add the TRNC, Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, Abkhazia (partly in Europe), and South Ossetia (partly in Europe). Either way, as it stands the template is selfcontradictory and giving Taiwan undue weight against the other countries just named. Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 12:13, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
The templates for the countries of West, Central, South, and East Asia are being proposed for deletion. I suggest that they might easily be merged into this template, using something like this:
Please include your comments below. YBG ( talk) 09:07, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Please comment on this proposal. YBG ( talk) 09:07, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
As I ask on the Asian topic template and bring here, I wonder under what criteria is Palestine included in states with limited recognition. Because although it's true that Palestine is such a case, same can be said about Israel and China. The three countries are recognized by most UN members, but not for all. And I have nothing against Israel or China, just in case, I just think we have to be fair and give the same treatment to all states. I'm not suggesting either to place Israel and China in the limited recognition section, unless that's what is agree upon, but will be easier to place Palestine upwards. -- Dereck Camacho ( talk) 19:28, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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Palestine should be added to the "Sovereign states" section and removed from the "States with limited recognition" section. It is recognized by the United Nations and is a member as an observer state. 2601:407:4100:87A0:E8F2:7248:6D5F:2036 ( talk) 15:45, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Palestine is included in the List of sovereign states and Gallery of sovereign state flags articles as an official country, so it should be added to the "Sovereign states" section and removed from the "States with limited recognition" section of the template. 2601:407:4100:87A0:D10F:B29D:3B3B:8AFF ( talk) 15:50, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Palestine doesn't need massive nations to recognize it in order to be an official country. It being inducted into the United Nations as an observer state is enough for it to be added to the "Sovereign states" section and removed from the "States with limited recognition" section of the template. If Vatican City gets the pass of being an official country as just an observer state, then the same can apply to Palestine. 2601:407:4100:87A0:F1D4:7D4C:9E15:4789 ( talk) 21:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Palestine should be moved to the "Sovereign states" section of the template. Over 70% of UN members recognize Palestine, it is an observer state and the UN treats it as a sovereign state. Qqeeaa ( talk) 21:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
"Being an observer state is enough for it to be moved to the "Sovereign states" section of the template. All that information you just posted is immediately disproven. Qqeeaa (talk) 12:51, 31 October 2019 (UTC)"
Wow, that must be the most arrogant thing that I've ever read on Wikipedia. "Being an observer state is enough for it to be moved to the "Sovereign states" section of the template"? Quite a redundant assertion there, and totally devoid of any evidence. "Immediately disproven"? Certainly not by you, who did not provide an iota of evidence that the State of Palestine has general international recognition.
If you wish to argue in favor of your position that UN observer states are, ipso facto, generally recognized sovereign states, you need to refute what I wrote above:
"The fact that Vatican City and the State of Palestine are both "observer states" of the UN, when the former is a state whose sovereignty is not disputed by anyone and who would be a UN member but for its preference to remain as an observer (as Switzerland did from 1946 to 2002) and the latter is a disputed state whose sovereignty is not recognized by 12 of the 15 countries with the highest GDP (among the top 15 economies, only the People's Republic of China, India and Russia recognize Palestine; the U.S., Japan, Germany, the UK, France, Italy, Brazil, Canada, South Korea, Spain, Australia and Mexico do not recognize Palestine) and whose application for UN membership was (for all practical purposes) rejected just a few years ago, is all the proof one needs that being an observer state of the UN is not tantamount to recognition of sovereignty by the members of the UN; heck, three of the permanent members of the UN Security Council, which have a veto right over any issue of importance, have refused to recognize Palestine, and one permanent member of the Security Council (China) has refused to recognize Vatican City.
Besides, observer-state status does not give such states any voting rights that UN members enjoy; being a UN observer state does grant the state the right to join UN specialized agencies, but, then again, Kosovo and the two New Zealand associated states also have been granted membership to certain UN specialized agencies. So the fact that Palestine, but not Kosovo (for example), is a UN observer state is not much on which one can hang one's hat. I know that it's preferable to find a bright-line rule, but if such rule is contingent upon treating UN observer states as if they were UN member states it becomes arbitrary." AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 16:44, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
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As it stands, Cyprus does not have a note indicating that it is also in Europe. Considering it appears in the European template, due to its socio-political links to the continent, and as it is a member of the European Union, should it note have the note attached to it regarding its position in both Europe and Asia? 82.45.225.4 ( talk) 16:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Indonesia has too. Please add interwiki http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templat:Asia Reindra ( talk) 04:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place here on how best to incorporate unrecognised states into a navigation template listing sovereign states and other entities. Some editors have suggested that including such states at all is pushing an imbalanced point of view. Others have made the same argument for not including them. Various conciliatory methods have been proposed, but have not acheived consensus. Editors should note that the outcome of this discussion will most likely have implications on this template aswell. For more information, please have a look at this casefile, or see the before-mentioned discussion page. Night w ( talk) 04:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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If that is the case, that's fine, but then Taiwan should not be included in this list, which strangely it is. In my opinion it would be best to remove this clause, and add the TRNC, Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, Abkhazia (partly in Europe), and South Ossetia (partly in Europe). Either way, as it stands the template is selfcontradictory and giving Taiwan undue weight against the other countries just named. Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 12:13, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
The templates for the countries of West, Central, South, and East Asia are being proposed for deletion. I suggest that they might easily be merged into this template, using something like this:
Please include your comments below. YBG ( talk) 09:07, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Please comment on this proposal. YBG ( talk) 09:07, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
As I ask on the Asian topic template and bring here, I wonder under what criteria is Palestine included in states with limited recognition. Because although it's true that Palestine is such a case, same can be said about Israel and China. The three countries are recognized by most UN members, but not for all. And I have nothing against Israel or China, just in case, I just think we have to be fair and give the same treatment to all states. I'm not suggesting either to place Israel and China in the limited recognition section, unless that's what is agree upon, but will be easier to place Palestine upwards. -- Dereck Camacho ( talk) 19:28, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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Palestine should be added to the "Sovereign states" section and removed from the "States with limited recognition" section. It is recognized by the United Nations and is a member as an observer state. 2601:407:4100:87A0:E8F2:7248:6D5F:2036 ( talk) 15:45, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Palestine is included in the List of sovereign states and Gallery of sovereign state flags articles as an official country, so it should be added to the "Sovereign states" section and removed from the "States with limited recognition" section of the template. 2601:407:4100:87A0:D10F:B29D:3B3B:8AFF ( talk) 15:50, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Palestine doesn't need massive nations to recognize it in order to be an official country. It being inducted into the United Nations as an observer state is enough for it to be added to the "Sovereign states" section and removed from the "States with limited recognition" section of the template. If Vatican City gets the pass of being an official country as just an observer state, then the same can apply to Palestine. 2601:407:4100:87A0:F1D4:7D4C:9E15:4789 ( talk) 21:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Palestine should be moved to the "Sovereign states" section of the template. Over 70% of UN members recognize Palestine, it is an observer state and the UN treats it as a sovereign state. Qqeeaa ( talk) 21:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
"Being an observer state is enough for it to be moved to the "Sovereign states" section of the template. All that information you just posted is immediately disproven. Qqeeaa (talk) 12:51, 31 October 2019 (UTC)"
Wow, that must be the most arrogant thing that I've ever read on Wikipedia. "Being an observer state is enough for it to be moved to the "Sovereign states" section of the template"? Quite a redundant assertion there, and totally devoid of any evidence. "Immediately disproven"? Certainly not by you, who did not provide an iota of evidence that the State of Palestine has general international recognition.
If you wish to argue in favor of your position that UN observer states are, ipso facto, generally recognized sovereign states, you need to refute what I wrote above:
"The fact that Vatican City and the State of Palestine are both "observer states" of the UN, when the former is a state whose sovereignty is not disputed by anyone and who would be a UN member but for its preference to remain as an observer (as Switzerland did from 1946 to 2002) and the latter is a disputed state whose sovereignty is not recognized by 12 of the 15 countries with the highest GDP (among the top 15 economies, only the People's Republic of China, India and Russia recognize Palestine; the U.S., Japan, Germany, the UK, France, Italy, Brazil, Canada, South Korea, Spain, Australia and Mexico do not recognize Palestine) and whose application for UN membership was (for all practical purposes) rejected just a few years ago, is all the proof one needs that being an observer state of the UN is not tantamount to recognition of sovereignty by the members of the UN; heck, three of the permanent members of the UN Security Council, which have a veto right over any issue of importance, have refused to recognize Palestine, and one permanent member of the Security Council (China) has refused to recognize Vatican City.
Besides, observer-state status does not give such states any voting rights that UN members enjoy; being a UN observer state does grant the state the right to join UN specialized agencies, but, then again, Kosovo and the two New Zealand associated states also have been granted membership to certain UN specialized agencies. So the fact that Palestine, but not Kosovo (for example), is a UN observer state is not much on which one can hang one's hat. I know that it's preferable to find a bright-line rule, but if such rule is contingent upon treating UN observer states as if they were UN member states it becomes arbitrary." AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 16:44, 31 October 2019 (UTC)