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I hope that creating a template like this, by copy and edit from the South America template is ok, done right and is useful? kgw 23:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I have replaced it with a new version, also copied from South America's. WolfmanSF ( talk) 21:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed an edit war is ongoing over this template. I think it would be useful for those involved to state your positions briefly on this talk page, including in your statement a citation(s) or link(s) to the most authoritative sources you know of that support your viewpoint. Thanks. WolfmanSF ( talk) 03:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone explain the difference between "geographically" and "physiographically" (if there is one)? WolfmanSF ( talk) 03:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Since there has been no response by the parties who revert to exclude, and who also continue to revert elsewhere on similar notions, I will soon be compelled to restore and preserve the more inclusive template. 69.158.150.169 ( talk) 22:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I wonder whether all the additional detail is necessary (i.e., the criteria for inclusion of Mexico)? Since it's a template, being succinct is preferable, with necessary details in the linked article(s). Feedback? 69.158.150.169 ( talk) 03:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This information will probably be very useful for people who are actually looking for something to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.53.168.120 ( talk) 17:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
This template is about Central American topics, so Mexico does not belong here. Even if some geographers when describing the physical features of the terrain do include a PORTION of Mexico in Central America, that DOES NOT mean:
1) All of the following sources indicate clearly that Mexico is not part of Central America, because they make the distinction "Mexico and Central America":
2) This is a list of sources used in a PREVIOUS debate about Mexico not being part of Central America:
North America
The northern continent of the Western Hemisphere, extending northward from the Colombia-Panama border and including Central America, Mexico, the islands of the Caribbean Sea, the United States, Canada, the Arctic Archipelago, and Greenland.
Website
Central America
A region of southern North America extending from the southern border of Mexico to the northern border of Colombia. It separates the Caribbean Sea from the Pacific Ocean and is linked to South America by the Isthmus of Panama.
Website
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2004, 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved
North America (subregion)
Third largest of the seven continents, including Canada (the 2nd largest country in area in the world), the United States (3rd largest), and Mexico (14th largest). The continent also includes Greenland, the largest island, as well as the small French overseas department of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon and the British dependency of Bermuda (both made up of small islands in the Atlantic Ocean). Together with Central America, the West Indies, and South America, North America makes up the Western Hemisphere of Earth.
Website
Central America
Central America, region of the western hemisphere, made up of a long, tapering isthmus that forms a bridge between North and South America. Central America, which is defined by geographers as part of North America, has an area of about 521,500 sq km (about 201,300 sq mi) and includes the countries of Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. The region has a population of approximately 36.4 million (2000 estimate).
Website
"North America," Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2006 http://encarta.msn.com © 1997-2006 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
North America (subregion)
Third largest continent, extending 9600 km/6000 mi from 70°30N to 15°N; Area c.24 million km²/9¼ million sq mi; separated from Asia by the Bering Strait; bounded by the Beaufort Sea (NW), Arctic Ocean (N), Baffin Bay and Davis Strait (NE), Atlantic Ocean (E), and Pacific Ocean (W); includes Canada, USA, and Mexico; numerous islands, including Baffin I, Newfoundland, and the West Indies; ranges include the Rocky Mts, Alaska Range (including Mt McKinley, highest point), and Appalachian Mts; major lake system, the Great Lakes; major rivers include the Mississippi, Missouri, Rio Grande, and St Lawrence.
Website
Crystal Reference Encyclopedia, © Crystal Reference Systems Limited 2006
North America
Third largest continent (1990 est. pop. 365,000,000), c.9,400,000 sq mi (24,346,000 sq km), the northern of the two continents of the Western Hemisphere. North America includes all of the mainland and related offshore islands lying N of the Isthmus of Panama (which connects it with South America). The term “Anglo-America” is frequently used in reference to Canada and the United States combined, while the term “Middle America” is used to describe the region including Mexico, the republics of Central America, and the Caribbean.
Website
Central America
Central America, narrow, southernmost region (c.202,200 sq mi/523,698 sq km) of North America, linked to South America at Colombia. It separates the Caribbean from the Pacific. Generally, it is considered to consist of the seven republics (1990 est. pop. 29,000,000) of Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama.
Website
The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition Copyright © 2003, Columbia University Press. Licensed from Columbia University Press. All rights reserved.
North America
Third-largest continent (after Asia and Africa), comprising Canada, the United States, Mexico, and Central America.
Central America
Region in the southernmost portion of North America, linked to South America by the Isthmus of Panama; includes Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama.
The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition Edited by E.D. Hirsch, Jr., Joseph F. Kett, and James Trefil. Copyright © 2002 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin. All rights reserved.
North America
The third largest of the continents, North America extends from Alaska, the Queen Elizabeth Islands, and Greenland to Panama's eastern border with Colombia in South America. Canada, the United States, Mexico, the Central American republics, the Bahama Islands and the Greater and Lesser Antilles are all parts of North America—more than 9,300,000 square miles (24,100,000 square kilometers)
Website
Central America
Southern portion of North America (pop., 2005 est.: 39,806,000). It extends from the southern border of Mexico to the northwestern border of Colombia and from the Pacific Ocean to the Caribbean Sea. It includes Guatemala, Belize, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. Some geographers also include five states of Mexico: Quintana Roo, Yucatán, Campeche, Tabasco, and Chiapas.
Website
Britannica Concise Encyclopedia. Copyright © 1994-2006 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. All rights reserved.
Central America
The isthmus joining North America and South America; extends from the southern border of Mexico to the northern border of Colombia
Website
WordNet 2.1 Copyright © 2001 by Princeton University. All rights reserved. More from WordNet
3) This is a list of sources that indicate the USAGE of North America (I include this because the "anonymous" editor will use this "argument" to argue that North America means "US+Canada" only):
[1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], and the many publications of OECD.
Finally and most importantly, this template is about topics related to Central America in particular, and as I stated before, one would not look for Mexico in a CA template but in North America. The inclusion of Mexico in this template, when most of the sources do not, is clearly a POV and undue weight issue. Alex Covarrubias ( Talk? ) 19:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
It does appear that in some quarters, any attempt to link Mexico with Central America is being construed as some sort of attack on Mexico, an interpretation which I feel is unfortunate and unnecessary, because I am sure no such attack was intended. If possible, let's put politics aside and view this dispassionately. No one wants to deny that Mexico is part of North America. The primary intent here is simply to acknowledge the fact that the definition of Central America is a bit fuzzy, and can mean slightly different things in different contexts - political versus biogeographical, for example.
For the sake of brevity and simplicity, how about simply adding the following footnote to Mexico: "From a physiographic standpoint, Central America is sometimes viewed as extending to the Isthmus of Tehuantepec." Can anyone go along with that? WolfmanSF ( talk) 02:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
In an effort to gather some reasonably objective data on the frequency with which Central America is described as containing none, part, or all of Mexico, I performed the following exercise: I googled "dictionary", and then looked up "Central America" on the first 5 results:
Dictionary.Com - gives 5 entries
Merriam-Webster.Com - 1 entry
OneLook.Com - 18 entries left after deleting 3 of the results
YourDictionary.Com - 1 entry
TheFreeDictionary.Com 1 entry
The 3 results returned by OneLook.Com that I deleted were Dictionary.Com (redundant), Mnemonic Dictionary (doesn't define Central America), and Wikipedia, which I chose to exclude.
So, of the 26 entries I'm analyzing, the categories break down like this:
7 entries give both the political and physiographic (extending to the Isthmus of Tehuantepec) definitions: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
1 entry describes Mexico being entirely in Central America: 1
18 entries describe Mexico as outside of Central America.
In summary, 27% of the entries mention the part of Mexico east of the Isthmus of Tehuantepec as being in Central America, 4% describe all of Mexico being in Central America, and 69% describe Central America in a way that excludes Mexico. No entry mentioned the Trans-Mexican Volcanic Belt as a border of Central America.
These results are in accord with my perception that in common U.S. usage, including all of Mexico in Central America is rare, while including part of it is reasonably common. I would like to suggest that the "data" supports my previous proposal, which I think offers the best resolution to the impasse if both sides can just give a little. Otherwise, you guys can continue with the unproductive edit war, or perhaps enlist an admin who probably doesn't care and would rather not be bothered to try to resolve the question.
What do you think? WolfmanSF ( talk) 04:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
One more comment: on my monitor, the new smaller font size is quite difficult to read. WolfmanSF ( talk) 04:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Physiographically, the definition specify that the Mexican states east of Isthmus of Tehuantepec are sometimes included the Central American. The edit clarify which states are at east of the isthmus. The definition includes the whole territory of the 7 Central American nations, they dont need to clarify their subdivision. Jcmenal ( talk) 20:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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There is a spacing problem in the footnote line; a space needs to be moved from between the superscript "2" and "Physiographically" forward to between the preceding period and the superscript "2" to give:
...of
South America. 2
Physiographically, Mexico...
WolfmanSF (
talk) 03:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
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To be consistent, the list of Mexican states should be presented in alphabetical order, as:
(
Campeche •
Chiapas •
Quintana Roo •
Tabasco •
Yucatan)
WolfmanSF (
talk) 03:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I have protected the page fully for the next three days hoping that this will cause the edit-combatants to engage in discussion rather than edit-warring. ·Maunus·ƛ· 17:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
How do you guys feel about adding the capital cities for CA nations? House1090 ( talk) 05:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
First of all, the "previous" discussion was held with a sockpuppet user in the form of an anonymous IP, mutiple times blocked for 3RR, uncivility, use of pronanity and pushing POVs without caring for the other parties opinions and other disruptive stuff. Said that let's continue.
My main point here is that only physiographically and only in certain topics mostly related to fauna and flora, this small part of Mexico is sometimes categorized with the rest of Central America. Only SOME times.
This template is GENERAL and used for TRANSCLUSSION, which means that if you do a, for example
Etc... it will include those states that you included as "in Central America" which is inaccurate and false because all of Mexico is considered part of North America. There's no official or unofficial categorization of Mexico as part of both regions. All of the other sources says it so. Also those states are not considered, not officilly nor unofficially as Central Americans. See the problem it will create?
The inclussion of those states or the region east of the Tehuantepec Istmus is only SOMETIMES included, which means rarely. Also the other sockpuppet user has a long history in trying to give the false idea that Mexico is part of Central America, just because he doesn't like the idea of NA including Mexico.
I think that the best solution is to create specific templates when it is requiered such as in the fauna and flora of the region, because of the similarities of the territory. Such as in "Mammals of Central America". Alex Covarrubias ( Talk? ) 06:57, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Well done guys. I can see why Alex didn't want Mexico in the a template so general as it could be missleading. Mexico is not considered by us Centralamericans as part of our region and Mexicans are well aware that them are part of Northamerica. In fact I've never heard that any person consider it as part of Central America. So making two tempaltes one for the physiographic description seems reasonable because it will be used in the articles where it could be usefull. So we just have to check that it would be used properly and not abused. Well done guys. Guate-man ( talk) 23:46, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
How do you guys feel about adding the Central American Capitals to the template? House1090 ( talk) 03:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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I hope that creating a template like this, by copy and edit from the South America template is ok, done right and is useful? kgw 23:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I have replaced it with a new version, also copied from South America's. WolfmanSF ( talk) 21:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed an edit war is ongoing over this template. I think it would be useful for those involved to state your positions briefly on this talk page, including in your statement a citation(s) or link(s) to the most authoritative sources you know of that support your viewpoint. Thanks. WolfmanSF ( talk) 03:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone explain the difference between "geographically" and "physiographically" (if there is one)? WolfmanSF ( talk) 03:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Since there has been no response by the parties who revert to exclude, and who also continue to revert elsewhere on similar notions, I will soon be compelled to restore and preserve the more inclusive template. 69.158.150.169 ( talk) 22:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I wonder whether all the additional detail is necessary (i.e., the criteria for inclusion of Mexico)? Since it's a template, being succinct is preferable, with necessary details in the linked article(s). Feedback? 69.158.150.169 ( talk) 03:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This information will probably be very useful for people who are actually looking for something to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.53.168.120 ( talk) 17:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
This template is about Central American topics, so Mexico does not belong here. Even if some geographers when describing the physical features of the terrain do include a PORTION of Mexico in Central America, that DOES NOT mean:
1) All of the following sources indicate clearly that Mexico is not part of Central America, because they make the distinction "Mexico and Central America":
2) This is a list of sources used in a PREVIOUS debate about Mexico not being part of Central America:
North America
The northern continent of the Western Hemisphere, extending northward from the Colombia-Panama border and including Central America, Mexico, the islands of the Caribbean Sea, the United States, Canada, the Arctic Archipelago, and Greenland.
Website
Central America
A region of southern North America extending from the southern border of Mexico to the northern border of Colombia. It separates the Caribbean Sea from the Pacific Ocean and is linked to South America by the Isthmus of Panama.
Website
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2004, 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved
North America (subregion)
Third largest of the seven continents, including Canada (the 2nd largest country in area in the world), the United States (3rd largest), and Mexico (14th largest). The continent also includes Greenland, the largest island, as well as the small French overseas department of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon and the British dependency of Bermuda (both made up of small islands in the Atlantic Ocean). Together with Central America, the West Indies, and South America, North America makes up the Western Hemisphere of Earth.
Website
Central America
Central America, region of the western hemisphere, made up of a long, tapering isthmus that forms a bridge between North and South America. Central America, which is defined by geographers as part of North America, has an area of about 521,500 sq km (about 201,300 sq mi) and includes the countries of Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. The region has a population of approximately 36.4 million (2000 estimate).
Website
"North America," Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2006 http://encarta.msn.com © 1997-2006 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
North America (subregion)
Third largest continent, extending 9600 km/6000 mi from 70°30N to 15°N; Area c.24 million km²/9¼ million sq mi; separated from Asia by the Bering Strait; bounded by the Beaufort Sea (NW), Arctic Ocean (N), Baffin Bay and Davis Strait (NE), Atlantic Ocean (E), and Pacific Ocean (W); includes Canada, USA, and Mexico; numerous islands, including Baffin I, Newfoundland, and the West Indies; ranges include the Rocky Mts, Alaska Range (including Mt McKinley, highest point), and Appalachian Mts; major lake system, the Great Lakes; major rivers include the Mississippi, Missouri, Rio Grande, and St Lawrence.
Website
Crystal Reference Encyclopedia, © Crystal Reference Systems Limited 2006
North America
Third largest continent (1990 est. pop. 365,000,000), c.9,400,000 sq mi (24,346,000 sq km), the northern of the two continents of the Western Hemisphere. North America includes all of the mainland and related offshore islands lying N of the Isthmus of Panama (which connects it with South America). The term “Anglo-America” is frequently used in reference to Canada and the United States combined, while the term “Middle America” is used to describe the region including Mexico, the republics of Central America, and the Caribbean.
Website
Central America
Central America, narrow, southernmost region (c.202,200 sq mi/523,698 sq km) of North America, linked to South America at Colombia. It separates the Caribbean from the Pacific. Generally, it is considered to consist of the seven republics (1990 est. pop. 29,000,000) of Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama.
Website
The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition Copyright © 2003, Columbia University Press. Licensed from Columbia University Press. All rights reserved.
North America
Third-largest continent (after Asia and Africa), comprising Canada, the United States, Mexico, and Central America.
Central America
Region in the southernmost portion of North America, linked to South America by the Isthmus of Panama; includes Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama.
The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition Edited by E.D. Hirsch, Jr., Joseph F. Kett, and James Trefil. Copyright © 2002 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin. All rights reserved.
North America
The third largest of the continents, North America extends from Alaska, the Queen Elizabeth Islands, and Greenland to Panama's eastern border with Colombia in South America. Canada, the United States, Mexico, the Central American republics, the Bahama Islands and the Greater and Lesser Antilles are all parts of North America—more than 9,300,000 square miles (24,100,000 square kilometers)
Website
Central America
Southern portion of North America (pop., 2005 est.: 39,806,000). It extends from the southern border of Mexico to the northwestern border of Colombia and from the Pacific Ocean to the Caribbean Sea. It includes Guatemala, Belize, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. Some geographers also include five states of Mexico: Quintana Roo, Yucatán, Campeche, Tabasco, and Chiapas.
Website
Britannica Concise Encyclopedia. Copyright © 1994-2006 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. All rights reserved.
Central America
The isthmus joining North America and South America; extends from the southern border of Mexico to the northern border of Colombia
Website
WordNet 2.1 Copyright © 2001 by Princeton University. All rights reserved. More from WordNet
3) This is a list of sources that indicate the USAGE of North America (I include this because the "anonymous" editor will use this "argument" to argue that North America means "US+Canada" only):
[1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], and the many publications of OECD.
Finally and most importantly, this template is about topics related to Central America in particular, and as I stated before, one would not look for Mexico in a CA template but in North America. The inclusion of Mexico in this template, when most of the sources do not, is clearly a POV and undue weight issue. Alex Covarrubias ( Talk? ) 19:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
It does appear that in some quarters, any attempt to link Mexico with Central America is being construed as some sort of attack on Mexico, an interpretation which I feel is unfortunate and unnecessary, because I am sure no such attack was intended. If possible, let's put politics aside and view this dispassionately. No one wants to deny that Mexico is part of North America. The primary intent here is simply to acknowledge the fact that the definition of Central America is a bit fuzzy, and can mean slightly different things in different contexts - political versus biogeographical, for example.
For the sake of brevity and simplicity, how about simply adding the following footnote to Mexico: "From a physiographic standpoint, Central America is sometimes viewed as extending to the Isthmus of Tehuantepec." Can anyone go along with that? WolfmanSF ( talk) 02:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
In an effort to gather some reasonably objective data on the frequency with which Central America is described as containing none, part, or all of Mexico, I performed the following exercise: I googled "dictionary", and then looked up "Central America" on the first 5 results:
Dictionary.Com - gives 5 entries
Merriam-Webster.Com - 1 entry
OneLook.Com - 18 entries left after deleting 3 of the results
YourDictionary.Com - 1 entry
TheFreeDictionary.Com 1 entry
The 3 results returned by OneLook.Com that I deleted were Dictionary.Com (redundant), Mnemonic Dictionary (doesn't define Central America), and Wikipedia, which I chose to exclude.
So, of the 26 entries I'm analyzing, the categories break down like this:
7 entries give both the political and physiographic (extending to the Isthmus of Tehuantepec) definitions: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
1 entry describes Mexico being entirely in Central America: 1
18 entries describe Mexico as outside of Central America.
In summary, 27% of the entries mention the part of Mexico east of the Isthmus of Tehuantepec as being in Central America, 4% describe all of Mexico being in Central America, and 69% describe Central America in a way that excludes Mexico. No entry mentioned the Trans-Mexican Volcanic Belt as a border of Central America.
These results are in accord with my perception that in common U.S. usage, including all of Mexico in Central America is rare, while including part of it is reasonably common. I would like to suggest that the "data" supports my previous proposal, which I think offers the best resolution to the impasse if both sides can just give a little. Otherwise, you guys can continue with the unproductive edit war, or perhaps enlist an admin who probably doesn't care and would rather not be bothered to try to resolve the question.
What do you think? WolfmanSF ( talk) 04:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
One more comment: on my monitor, the new smaller font size is quite difficult to read. WolfmanSF ( talk) 04:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Physiographically, the definition specify that the Mexican states east of Isthmus of Tehuantepec are sometimes included the Central American. The edit clarify which states are at east of the isthmus. The definition includes the whole territory of the 7 Central American nations, they dont need to clarify their subdivision. Jcmenal ( talk) 20:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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There is a spacing problem in the footnote line; a space needs to be moved from between the superscript "2" and "Physiographically" forward to between the preceding period and the superscript "2" to give:
...of
South America. 2
Physiographically, Mexico...
WolfmanSF (
talk) 03:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
To be consistent, the list of Mexican states should be presented in alphabetical order, as:
(
Campeche •
Chiapas •
Quintana Roo •
Tabasco •
Yucatan)
WolfmanSF (
talk) 03:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I have protected the page fully for the next three days hoping that this will cause the edit-combatants to engage in discussion rather than edit-warring. ·Maunus·ƛ· 17:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
How do you guys feel about adding the capital cities for CA nations? House1090 ( talk) 05:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
First of all, the "previous" discussion was held with a sockpuppet user in the form of an anonymous IP, mutiple times blocked for 3RR, uncivility, use of pronanity and pushing POVs without caring for the other parties opinions and other disruptive stuff. Said that let's continue.
My main point here is that only physiographically and only in certain topics mostly related to fauna and flora, this small part of Mexico is sometimes categorized with the rest of Central America. Only SOME times.
This template is GENERAL and used for TRANSCLUSSION, which means that if you do a, for example
Etc... it will include those states that you included as "in Central America" which is inaccurate and false because all of Mexico is considered part of North America. There's no official or unofficial categorization of Mexico as part of both regions. All of the other sources says it so. Also those states are not considered, not officilly nor unofficially as Central Americans. See the problem it will create?
The inclussion of those states or the region east of the Tehuantepec Istmus is only SOMETIMES included, which means rarely. Also the other sockpuppet user has a long history in trying to give the false idea that Mexico is part of Central America, just because he doesn't like the idea of NA including Mexico.
I think that the best solution is to create specific templates when it is requiered such as in the fauna and flora of the region, because of the similarities of the territory. Such as in "Mammals of Central America". Alex Covarrubias ( Talk? ) 06:57, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Well done guys. I can see why Alex didn't want Mexico in the a template so general as it could be missleading. Mexico is not considered by us Centralamericans as part of our region and Mexicans are well aware that them are part of Northamerica. In fact I've never heard that any person consider it as part of Central America. So making two tempaltes one for the physiographic description seems reasonable because it will be used in the articles where it could be usefull. So we just have to check that it would be used properly and not abused. Well done guys. Guate-man ( talk) 23:46, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
How do you guys feel about adding the Central American Capitals to the template? House1090 ( talk) 03:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)