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In the premise section of this article, it currently reads:
After Kya ends their relationship, Chase attempts to rape her and she narrowly escapes.
Is it correct to phrase that as "attempts to"? If memory serves, I thought he did actually rape her in the film but, other than the film itself, I don't have a reference for that and I suppose it's somewhat ambiguous as it was partially off-screen. Any ideas? Maybe someone discussed it in a press interview or the adapted screenplay is available online somewhere...? - Procyonidae ( talk) 07:58, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Since a small edit war (with violation of BRD) occurred over this subject, and there is still doubt, we need to settle this. The references which justified the genres were removed, and now we have genres which, although partially correct, fail to fully describe the two major themes, Kya's coming of age story and life, and the murder mystery and trial.
Anyone who has read the book and seen the movie knows that the coming of age theme is strong, as well as the murder mystery and trial. The genres we mention should cover those two. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 03:33, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified.WP:FILMGENRE says to try and include the primary genre only and I was doing what I could to follow the guidelines and avoid listing multiple genres. There are plenty of sources listing all kinds of genres that may apply but the guidelines do say to try and list the primary genre where possible. That Rotten Tomatoes listed the genres as "Mystery & Thriller" [1] (and they quite often list multiple applicable genres) it seemed fair to summarize the primary genre as mystery, and since the other editor had wanted to be more specific (and a wikilink exists) I changed it to murder mystery film. While the film could probably be described as "coming of age" "murder mystery" and "legal drama" the primary genre would seem to be mystery. (Many genres are a subgenre of drama, in most cases, and in the case of a mystery or thriller, it would be redundant to also include drama as a genre). Please note that the WP:LEAD is supposed to summarize, but if other editors agree that they really want to "to fully describe the two major themes" then so be it. I was merely making a good faith effort to summarize and include only the primary genre. -- 109.79.173.43 ( talk) 19:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Here are a few genre descriptions:
Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 19:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
TropicAces, I agree with your reasoning for adding "murder-mystery"] as a genre. That is clearly a major focus in the film, unlike the book. I think we should add "coming-of-age" as it is also frequently mentioned in RS, and anyone who has read the book or seen the movie recognizes this is also a major genre, even if it's not as big a focus in the film as in the book. Would you object to that addition? -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 15:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
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I could be wrong, but this edit summary by TropicAces may be wrong. There is a direct correlation between audience reception and ticket sales, but neither is always directly correlated with Oscar wins. OTOH, a later Oscar win can boost sales. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 15:24, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a direct correlation between audience reception and ticket salesbecause I've bought plenty of tickets for films I wanted to see for myself only to conclude they were in fact bad. I think it is better to avoid trying to say anything about audience reception and to instead simply state the gross. Correlation but not direct causation.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Chiswick Chap ( talk · contribs) 14:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
I'll have a go at this one that's been languishing in the queue for 6 months. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 14:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
IIRC, Tate Walker teaches her to read and write. As for counting, IMHO, Kya learns it earlier, when selling mussels to Madisons. IIRC, there was a very short scene related to that (NB: not the one when Mabel just discovers Kya can't count (that's another one, much earlier and longer than then one I'm talking about), but later (already after the Kya's failed school attempt; when Kya already had started to actively interact with Madisons for mussels and shoes)). Sasha1024 ( talk) 09:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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In the premise section of this article, it currently reads:
After Kya ends their relationship, Chase attempts to rape her and she narrowly escapes.
Is it correct to phrase that as "attempts to"? If memory serves, I thought he did actually rape her in the film but, other than the film itself, I don't have a reference for that and I suppose it's somewhat ambiguous as it was partially off-screen. Any ideas? Maybe someone discussed it in a press interview or the adapted screenplay is available online somewhere...? - Procyonidae ( talk) 07:58, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Since a small edit war (with violation of BRD) occurred over this subject, and there is still doubt, we need to settle this. The references which justified the genres were removed, and now we have genres which, although partially correct, fail to fully describe the two major themes, Kya's coming of age story and life, and the murder mystery and trial.
Anyone who has read the book and seen the movie knows that the coming of age theme is strong, as well as the murder mystery and trial. The genres we mention should cover those two. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 03:33, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified.WP:FILMGENRE says to try and include the primary genre only and I was doing what I could to follow the guidelines and avoid listing multiple genres. There are plenty of sources listing all kinds of genres that may apply but the guidelines do say to try and list the primary genre where possible. That Rotten Tomatoes listed the genres as "Mystery & Thriller" [1] (and they quite often list multiple applicable genres) it seemed fair to summarize the primary genre as mystery, and since the other editor had wanted to be more specific (and a wikilink exists) I changed it to murder mystery film. While the film could probably be described as "coming of age" "murder mystery" and "legal drama" the primary genre would seem to be mystery. (Many genres are a subgenre of drama, in most cases, and in the case of a mystery or thriller, it would be redundant to also include drama as a genre). Please note that the WP:LEAD is supposed to summarize, but if other editors agree that they really want to "to fully describe the two major themes" then so be it. I was merely making a good faith effort to summarize and include only the primary genre. -- 109.79.173.43 ( talk) 19:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Here are a few genre descriptions:
Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 19:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
TropicAces, I agree with your reasoning for adding "murder-mystery"] as a genre. That is clearly a major focus in the film, unlike the book. I think we should add "coming-of-age" as it is also frequently mentioned in RS, and anyone who has read the book or seen the movie recognizes this is also a major genre, even if it's not as big a focus in the film as in the book. Would you object to that addition? -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 15:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
References
I could be wrong, but this edit summary by TropicAces may be wrong. There is a direct correlation between audience reception and ticket sales, but neither is always directly correlated with Oscar wins. OTOH, a later Oscar win can boost sales. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 15:24, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a direct correlation between audience reception and ticket salesbecause I've bought plenty of tickets for films I wanted to see for myself only to conclude they were in fact bad. I think it is better to avoid trying to say anything about audience reception and to instead simply state the gross. Correlation but not direct causation.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Chiswick Chap ( talk · contribs) 14:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
I'll have a go at this one that's been languishing in the queue for 6 months. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 14:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
IIRC, Tate Walker teaches her to read and write. As for counting, IMHO, Kya learns it earlier, when selling mussels to Madisons. IIRC, there was a very short scene related to that (NB: not the one when Mabel just discovers Kya can't count (that's another one, much earlier and longer than then one I'm talking about), but later (already after the Kya's failed school attempt; when Kya already had started to actively interact with Madisons for mussels and shoes)). Sasha1024 ( talk) 09:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)