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Does anyone know why the passport card cannot be used for international travel? The Dept. of State claims it has something to do with ICAO standard, but this arguemnt is unconvincing. I checked the statement and it is true that many other nations issue credit card sized IDs (like the US Passport Card) which can be used for international air travel.
In addition, the ICAO even issues its own guidelines concerning credit card identity documents (ICAO Document 9303, Part 3, Volume 1). The ICAO has nothing against the use and expansion of this format. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.126.48 ( talk) 12:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Examples: Switzerland issues credit card sized IDs which can be used for international air travel to almost all other European nations, including the UK, Ireland (not part of Schengen), countries not in the EU (Norway, Iceland), and countries outside of Europe (Turkey, Egypt). There are many other examples (Germany, Estonia, Austria, etc.)
I would say that whether or not the "cards" are valid depends less on the ICAO and more upon whether the issuing government and the government of the country to be visited accept the document for purposes of verifying identity.
As the "opposition" section still (after one year of being tagged) has no references, I suggest it be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaimiethedog ( talk • contribs) 11:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps the article should be renamed "U.S. Passport Card" to ensure that it is the world-wide view and not US-centered.
A td1-sized card which may be issued in place of, or in addition to, a passport book and which one or more receiving states agree to accept as a passport.
The also mention a specific commission on it. So this article is about the US card specifically... L.tak ( talk) 11:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
This is a statement supported only by the link to the US embassy in Germany, but practically such acceptance varies much among different private and even governmental entities. From my personal experience, my passport card was rejected by several banks, by a California notary and even by TSA employees. In addition, it is not accepted as a stand-alone identity document by the Washington Department of Licensing and by GRE test clerks because it does not contain a signature of the holder. Thus, stating that it can be used as a proof of identity is inaccurate. Also, it is not endorsed as a full proof of identity by the Department of State - an issuing agency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.14.71 ( talk) 04:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
There is a newer and updated photo of a U.S. Passport Card example on the government's website where the previous example photo was retrieved. Found at: http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt_card/ppt_card_3926.html
I tried to upload it but I see that the Wikimedia Commons file for the previous photo is link to a fair amount of pages. I am not experienced enough to update this photo. Does anyone have the ability to update that file with the new photo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by King Clawson ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
"Most of the information on the card is printed as intaglio (raised) print," but intaglio is actually sunken below the surface. I am not familiar with this artifact, but someone should correct this. J S Ayer ( talk) 03:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Compare what is stated in Identity document#United States and in United States Passport Card (introduction). Identity documents in the United States#Passport & Passport Card doesnt state which. - Inowen ( talk) 02:26, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
A United States passport card can be used as primary evidence of United States citizenship, just like a passport booklet, [1] and can be used as a valid proof of citizenship and proof of identity both inside and outside the United States. [2]Whether or not its required, it still is one. - Galatz Talk 14:06, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
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I have edited the lead section to avoid saying the passport card is a De jure national identification. Such wording implies that possession is mandatory, and that federal law requires widespread acceptance. In fact it is optional, is possessed by a fairly small minority of adults. Federal law and regulations only requires its acceptance in a few situations, such as the limited international travel scenarios described in the article, domestic air travel, access to certain federal facilities, and filling out Form I-9. Beyond that, its up to the choice of the government organization, corporation, or private individual concerned.
I have also marked this sentence as dubious:
The passport card's intended primary purpose is for identification and to allow cardholders to travel by domestic air flights within the United States and to enter and exit the United States via land and sea between member states of the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI).
The citation supporting this claim is a dead link. I suggest it is unlikely that the US State Department, which is responsible for passports and related documents, would create a card, the primary purpose of which is unqualified identification. Creating a general purpose ID card is outside the remit of the US State Department. I do not belive whoever added this statement correctly interpreted the cited source, back when it was still available. Or more likely, the editor who originally added the cite interpreted it correctly, but some later editor altered to his/her liking without bothering to read the citation. Jc3s5h ( talk) 20:13, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
I will add another reason the passport card should not be considered de jure identification. The State Department may deny or revoke a passport or passport card for an American citizen or national if the State Department wishes to inhibit the ability of the person to travel internationally, because the person has seriously overdue taxes, or because the person has overdue child support payments. Also, courts may require those with an upcoming criminal trial to surrender their passports or passport cards to make it more difficult for them to flee the country. But a de jure identification would be available to everyone. [1] [2] Jc3s5h ( talk) 16:23, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
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Does anyone know why the passport card cannot be used for international travel? The Dept. of State claims it has something to do with ICAO standard, but this arguemnt is unconvincing. I checked the statement and it is true that many other nations issue credit card sized IDs (like the US Passport Card) which can be used for international air travel.
In addition, the ICAO even issues its own guidelines concerning credit card identity documents (ICAO Document 9303, Part 3, Volume 1). The ICAO has nothing against the use and expansion of this format. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.126.48 ( talk) 12:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Examples: Switzerland issues credit card sized IDs which can be used for international air travel to almost all other European nations, including the UK, Ireland (not part of Schengen), countries not in the EU (Norway, Iceland), and countries outside of Europe (Turkey, Egypt). There are many other examples (Germany, Estonia, Austria, etc.)
I would say that whether or not the "cards" are valid depends less on the ICAO and more upon whether the issuing government and the government of the country to be visited accept the document for purposes of verifying identity.
As the "opposition" section still (after one year of being tagged) has no references, I suggest it be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaimiethedog ( talk • contribs) 11:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps the article should be renamed "U.S. Passport Card" to ensure that it is the world-wide view and not US-centered.
A td1-sized card which may be issued in place of, or in addition to, a passport book and which one or more receiving states agree to accept as a passport.
The also mention a specific commission on it. So this article is about the US card specifically... L.tak ( talk) 11:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
This is a statement supported only by the link to the US embassy in Germany, but practically such acceptance varies much among different private and even governmental entities. From my personal experience, my passport card was rejected by several banks, by a California notary and even by TSA employees. In addition, it is not accepted as a stand-alone identity document by the Washington Department of Licensing and by GRE test clerks because it does not contain a signature of the holder. Thus, stating that it can be used as a proof of identity is inaccurate. Also, it is not endorsed as a full proof of identity by the Department of State - an issuing agency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.14.71 ( talk) 04:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
There is a newer and updated photo of a U.S. Passport Card example on the government's website where the previous example photo was retrieved. Found at: http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt_card/ppt_card_3926.html
I tried to upload it but I see that the Wikimedia Commons file for the previous photo is link to a fair amount of pages. I am not experienced enough to update this photo. Does anyone have the ability to update that file with the new photo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by King Clawson ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
"Most of the information on the card is printed as intaglio (raised) print," but intaglio is actually sunken below the surface. I am not familiar with this artifact, but someone should correct this. J S Ayer ( talk) 03:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Compare what is stated in Identity document#United States and in United States Passport Card (introduction). Identity documents in the United States#Passport & Passport Card doesnt state which. - Inowen ( talk) 02:26, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
A United States passport card can be used as primary evidence of United States citizenship, just like a passport booklet, [1] and can be used as a valid proof of citizenship and proof of identity both inside and outside the United States. [2]Whether or not its required, it still is one. - Galatz Talk 14:06, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
References
I have edited the lead section to avoid saying the passport card is a De jure national identification. Such wording implies that possession is mandatory, and that federal law requires widespread acceptance. In fact it is optional, is possessed by a fairly small minority of adults. Federal law and regulations only requires its acceptance in a few situations, such as the limited international travel scenarios described in the article, domestic air travel, access to certain federal facilities, and filling out Form I-9. Beyond that, its up to the choice of the government organization, corporation, or private individual concerned.
I have also marked this sentence as dubious:
The passport card's intended primary purpose is for identification and to allow cardholders to travel by domestic air flights within the United States and to enter and exit the United States via land and sea between member states of the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI).
The citation supporting this claim is a dead link. I suggest it is unlikely that the US State Department, which is responsible for passports and related documents, would create a card, the primary purpose of which is unqualified identification. Creating a general purpose ID card is outside the remit of the US State Department. I do not belive whoever added this statement correctly interpreted the cited source, back when it was still available. Or more likely, the editor who originally added the cite interpreted it correctly, but some later editor altered to his/her liking without bothering to read the citation. Jc3s5h ( talk) 20:13, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
I will add another reason the passport card should not be considered de jure identification. The State Department may deny or revoke a passport or passport card for an American citizen or national if the State Department wishes to inhibit the ability of the person to travel internationally, because the person has seriously overdue taxes, or because the person has overdue child support payments. Also, courts may require those with an upcoming criminal trial to surrender their passports or passport cards to make it more difficult for them to flee the country. But a de jure identification would be available to everyone. [1] [2] Jc3s5h ( talk) 16:23, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
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