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I've just archived old material and would like to add a To Do list for this page but do not know how to add that banner yet. Stmullin ( talk) 16:44, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
You may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of Intelligence Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in these issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. It will be extremely helpful for articles on human intelligence to edit them according to the Wikipedia standards for reliable sources for medicine-related articles, as it is important to get these issues as well verified as possible. -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk, how I edit) 22:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I think that this article should have a page in Simple Wikipedia. Frogger48 ( talk) 02:30, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I think the reference to p35 of Introducing Neuroeducational Research: Neuroscience, Education and the Brain from Contexts to Practice by Paul Howard-Jones is fairly convincing that this theory belongs firmly to this category. What do others think? -- John ( talk) 20:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm uncomfortable with the new fourth paragraph in the lead:
There are several problems with this lead paragraph:
I moved the paragraph to the criticism section and reworded some sentences to correct a few of the errors, but my edit was reversed with the explanation "no, the WP:LEAD is a summary of the whole article". -- seberle ( talk) 11:12, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Seems to me as if John, having been prevented from getting this theory anathematised as pseudoscience, has settled for the next best thing, a hatchet-job in the lead. Sorry if that's too crude, but it's what it looks like to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vidauty ( talk • contribs) 16:54, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
I was going to create a section here for exactly the same purpose. I'll be frank: the paragraph is very poor quality, and contradicts itself in a transparent way. Specifically:
There is no reference to support the last two claims, and if such a reference existed it would be in conflict with the quantitative facts. The two falsehoods don't become a truth by reinforcement and need to be removed. I would suggest that the paragraph be reworded in its entirety by someone who can deal objectively with the quantitative facts. Elroch ( talk) 15:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
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Gardner is quoted by a secondary source saying
[E]ven if at the end of the day, the bad guys [such as Jensen, who emphasize the importance of g,] turn out to be more correct scientifically than I am, life is short, and we have to make choices about how we spend our time. And that’s where I think the multiple intelligences way of thinking about things will continue to be useful even if the scientific evidence doesn’t support it. (at 45:11–31)
— Cofnas, Nathan (1 February 2015). "Science Is Not Always "Self-Correcting"". Foundations of Science. doi: 10.1007/s10699-015-9421-3.
-- The Master ( talk) 00:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I think this quote may need context to be understood correctly. -- seberle ( talk) 06:43, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Is this related to the neurological (MRI) studies and tests done by Adrian Owen and Roger Highfield? They wrote a paper in Neuron ("Fractionating Human Intelligence", Neuron 76, Dec 20, 2012) that argued for the existence of 12 measurable cognitive skills, and they discuss relationships with the Spearman g factor. New Scientist had an earlier article about this work "The 12 Pillars of Wisdom", in October 30, 2010. DonPMitchell ( talk) 23:16, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
In the second edition of "Frames of Mind" Gardner says that one of the criticisms of this theory has been that some have argued that the intelligences which he writes about may be talents rather than intelligences. This could go in the article when the article talks about criticisms of the theory. Vorbee ( talk) 20:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Gardner says in the second edition of "Frames of Mind" that he continues to think some type of spiritual intelligence may exist. This could go in the article. Vorbee ( talk) 20:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
In 2000, Howard Gardner had a paper published in the International Journal for the Psychology of Religion, Volume 10 Issue 1, called "A Case Against Spirtual Intelligence". In this article, he argues that spirituality is distinct from the intellectual domain. I seem to recall I had an article published in response, asking whether some conceptual distinctions are needed. YTKJ ( talk) 20:03, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Yes, the article was called "Response to the Spiritual Intelligence Debate: Are Some Conceptual Distinctions Needed Here?" and was published in the International Journal for the Psychology of Religion for 2003. YTKJ ( talk) 20:08, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
the semiologist, mentor, talentprofiler and entrepreneur Yves Richez base his scientific researches on Howard Gardner's theory [1]. He studies « talent », emergence and actualization of potentiales [2].
He discovers 10 Natural Operating Modes (Modes Opératoire Naturel - MoON) during anthropological and semiological studies and trips around the world. Each mode is structured by a couple of antagonistic components [3].
His studies show a gap between Chinesese thought and Western thought. In China, notions of Being and notion of intelligence don't exist. Those are greek-Latin inventions. Instead of intelligence, Chinese speaks of « operating modes ». Thus, Yves Richez does not speak of « intelligence » but of « natural operating modes » (Mo.O.N.).
But, we can connect intelligence and operating modes. Indeed, to Henri Wallon : « We can not distinguish intelligence from its operations ». [4]
Yves Richez's theory on the talent corrects errors of Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. The C.U.P. theory (configuration, utility, potentialisation) surpasses dialectically theory of multiple intelligences.
Yves Richez shows that it is wrong to attach a sense at an « operating mode » : visuo-spatial or verbal-linguistic. Indeed, a blind or a hedgehog are able to move in space despite their blindness. They emulate space.
He observes that individuals who skilfully operate with a mathematical Mo.ON have difficulties to emulate the space. They are difficulties to read a mind map. They prefer to read lists or series. His observations confirms an experiment of René Zazzo. Zazzo discovers a young girl who is unable to read despite an IQ of 120. IQ definie globaly a Mathimatical Mo.O.N.. Origin of this dyslexia is a problem of recognition in space [5]. The emulative component of Mo.O.N. Spatial play a decisive role in learning to read (cf again the pedagogy of Ovide Decroly).
He notes that employees defined by the DSM like autistist (Asperger (?)) spontaneously engage a Naturalistic Mo.ON.. We find also cases of the population of certains primitive societies.
... etc.
The C.U.P. theory of Yvez Richez has a few applications in management, in education (which is analogous to education reform : John Dewey, Ovide Decroly, Maria Montessori, Anton Makarenko, Célestin Freinet...) and in complex psychology (in connection with Lev Vygotsky, Henri Wallon, Jean Piaget, Jacqueline Nadel, Michel Cariou, Émile Jalley...).
Yves Rivez applies the results of his studies in his own company (Talent Reveal). Decathlon Academy use his studies to form their mananagers [6]. We can found again this applications in a few municipales services, a few sports clubs and a Montessori school, En Terre D'Enfance [7] who are applying the C.U.P. theory.
He provides his studies to the general public through various media : books, youtube and internet articles.
His book, Détection et développement des talents en entreprise, edited by ISTE editions follows his doctoral thesis in semiology [8]. It is published in English in 2018 : Corporate Talent Detection and Development, Wiley Publishing.
J'espère que c'est une blague, ElKevbo ? Les anglophones ne sont pas plus con que les autres. Ils peuvent se débrouiller dans d'autres langues que la leur. Certes, j'écris mal, même dans ma langue. Darwin avait aussi un mauvais anglais bien qu'elle fut sa langue de naissance. Par ailleurs, je ne suis pas choqué lorsque l'on m'apporte autre chose qui sort du cadre de ma nation, de ma pensée et de mon piédestal quand bien même mal écrit. La théorie C.U.P. d'Yves Richez, parfaitement bien écrit, dépasse de manière dialectique la théorie d'Howard Gardner. Elle se concilie parfaitement à d'autres études. Il serait dommageable de ne pas en profiter puisque qu'elle est déjà disponible : Détection et développement des talents en entreprise. Une version anglaise de son livre va bientôt sortir. J'anticipe les choses d'autant plus que ça va faire du bruit. L'anglais ne prime pas sur d'autres langues. Certes les éditeurs des USA cherchent à contrôler les revues scientifiques et philosophiques. Mais, la pensée américaine représente seulement 8% de la pensée globale dans les universités dans le monde contre 68% de la pensée française selon Émile Jalley. Cordialement. S.L.
I happened accross this and thought it might be useful to this article:
Denis Postle’s (The Mind Gymnasium,1989) Model of multiple intelligence. Denis Postle’s model includes four types of intelligence: 1) Emotional Intelligence, 2) Intuitive Intelligence, 3) Physical Intelligence and 4) Intellectual Intelligence.
— Hian, Physical Intelligence of University of Technology MARA Sport Science Students (PDF) citing Postle, D. (1988). The Mind Gymnasium: A New Age Guide to Self Mastery. McGraw-Hill. ISBN 978-0-07-050569-8.
However, a quick search does not indicate to me that this model has been used or accepted, or that Denis Postle is notable. I mention it here in case it is useful to other editors. Daask ( talk) 13:22, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
"Bodily-kinesthetic" and "Physical intelligence" have the same topic. 1) There's an "anchor" on the heading "Physical intelligence" - can't we go around this silly restriction? And 2) "Physical intelligence" has got far more material then the other 9 or so modalities. Why not create a separate article and leave here only the general presentation, the one under "Bodily-kinesthetic"? Since we're talking of smarts :) Or are we just sticking to theory? Arminden ( talk) 20:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Under Intelligence Modalities, it first says (emphasis mine): "Howard Gardner proposed eight abilities that manifest multiple intelligences." After that nine modalities are mentioned. Who can explain this discrepancy and remove it? Thanks. Bcurfs ( talk) 02:45, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
the link isn't to a publicly accessible site. Coderiety.py ( talk) 04:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
When, at an early stage in the article, it says "According to the theory, an intelligence "modality" must fulfil eight criteria" and then lists them, would it not be better to say that these are the eight pieces of evidence Gardner cites for the theory? Yes, I have read Frames of Mind! YTKJ ( talk) 18:47, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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I've just archived old material and would like to add a To Do list for this page but do not know how to add that banner yet. Stmullin ( talk) 16:44, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
You may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of Intelligence Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in these issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. It will be extremely helpful for articles on human intelligence to edit them according to the Wikipedia standards for reliable sources for medicine-related articles, as it is important to get these issues as well verified as possible. -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk, how I edit) 22:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I think that this article should have a page in Simple Wikipedia. Frogger48 ( talk) 02:30, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I think the reference to p35 of Introducing Neuroeducational Research: Neuroscience, Education and the Brain from Contexts to Practice by Paul Howard-Jones is fairly convincing that this theory belongs firmly to this category. What do others think? -- John ( talk) 20:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm uncomfortable with the new fourth paragraph in the lead:
There are several problems with this lead paragraph:
I moved the paragraph to the criticism section and reworded some sentences to correct a few of the errors, but my edit was reversed with the explanation "no, the WP:LEAD is a summary of the whole article". -- seberle ( talk) 11:12, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Seems to me as if John, having been prevented from getting this theory anathematised as pseudoscience, has settled for the next best thing, a hatchet-job in the lead. Sorry if that's too crude, but it's what it looks like to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vidauty ( talk • contribs) 16:54, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
I was going to create a section here for exactly the same purpose. I'll be frank: the paragraph is very poor quality, and contradicts itself in a transparent way. Specifically:
There is no reference to support the last two claims, and if such a reference existed it would be in conflict with the quantitative facts. The two falsehoods don't become a truth by reinforcement and need to be removed. I would suggest that the paragraph be reworded in its entirety by someone who can deal objectively with the quantitative facts. Elroch ( talk) 15:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
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Gardner is quoted by a secondary source saying
[E]ven if at the end of the day, the bad guys [such as Jensen, who emphasize the importance of g,] turn out to be more correct scientifically than I am, life is short, and we have to make choices about how we spend our time. And that’s where I think the multiple intelligences way of thinking about things will continue to be useful even if the scientific evidence doesn’t support it. (at 45:11–31)
— Cofnas, Nathan (1 February 2015). "Science Is Not Always "Self-Correcting"". Foundations of Science. doi: 10.1007/s10699-015-9421-3.
-- The Master ( talk) 00:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I think this quote may need context to be understood correctly. -- seberle ( talk) 06:43, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Is this related to the neurological (MRI) studies and tests done by Adrian Owen and Roger Highfield? They wrote a paper in Neuron ("Fractionating Human Intelligence", Neuron 76, Dec 20, 2012) that argued for the existence of 12 measurable cognitive skills, and they discuss relationships with the Spearman g factor. New Scientist had an earlier article about this work "The 12 Pillars of Wisdom", in October 30, 2010. DonPMitchell ( talk) 23:16, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
In the second edition of "Frames of Mind" Gardner says that one of the criticisms of this theory has been that some have argued that the intelligences which he writes about may be talents rather than intelligences. This could go in the article when the article talks about criticisms of the theory. Vorbee ( talk) 20:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Gardner says in the second edition of "Frames of Mind" that he continues to think some type of spiritual intelligence may exist. This could go in the article. Vorbee ( talk) 20:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
In 2000, Howard Gardner had a paper published in the International Journal for the Psychology of Religion, Volume 10 Issue 1, called "A Case Against Spirtual Intelligence". In this article, he argues that spirituality is distinct from the intellectual domain. I seem to recall I had an article published in response, asking whether some conceptual distinctions are needed. YTKJ ( talk) 20:03, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Yes, the article was called "Response to the Spiritual Intelligence Debate: Are Some Conceptual Distinctions Needed Here?" and was published in the International Journal for the Psychology of Religion for 2003. YTKJ ( talk) 20:08, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
the semiologist, mentor, talentprofiler and entrepreneur Yves Richez base his scientific researches on Howard Gardner's theory [1]. He studies « talent », emergence and actualization of potentiales [2].
He discovers 10 Natural Operating Modes (Modes Opératoire Naturel - MoON) during anthropological and semiological studies and trips around the world. Each mode is structured by a couple of antagonistic components [3].
His studies show a gap between Chinesese thought and Western thought. In China, notions of Being and notion of intelligence don't exist. Those are greek-Latin inventions. Instead of intelligence, Chinese speaks of « operating modes ». Thus, Yves Richez does not speak of « intelligence » but of « natural operating modes » (Mo.O.N.).
But, we can connect intelligence and operating modes. Indeed, to Henri Wallon : « We can not distinguish intelligence from its operations ». [4]
Yves Richez's theory on the talent corrects errors of Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. The C.U.P. theory (configuration, utility, potentialisation) surpasses dialectically theory of multiple intelligences.
Yves Richez shows that it is wrong to attach a sense at an « operating mode » : visuo-spatial or verbal-linguistic. Indeed, a blind or a hedgehog are able to move in space despite their blindness. They emulate space.
He observes that individuals who skilfully operate with a mathematical Mo.ON have difficulties to emulate the space. They are difficulties to read a mind map. They prefer to read lists or series. His observations confirms an experiment of René Zazzo. Zazzo discovers a young girl who is unable to read despite an IQ of 120. IQ definie globaly a Mathimatical Mo.O.N.. Origin of this dyslexia is a problem of recognition in space [5]. The emulative component of Mo.O.N. Spatial play a decisive role in learning to read (cf again the pedagogy of Ovide Decroly).
He notes that employees defined by the DSM like autistist (Asperger (?)) spontaneously engage a Naturalistic Mo.ON.. We find also cases of the population of certains primitive societies.
... etc.
The C.U.P. theory of Yvez Richez has a few applications in management, in education (which is analogous to education reform : John Dewey, Ovide Decroly, Maria Montessori, Anton Makarenko, Célestin Freinet...) and in complex psychology (in connection with Lev Vygotsky, Henri Wallon, Jean Piaget, Jacqueline Nadel, Michel Cariou, Émile Jalley...).
Yves Rivez applies the results of his studies in his own company (Talent Reveal). Decathlon Academy use his studies to form their mananagers [6]. We can found again this applications in a few municipales services, a few sports clubs and a Montessori school, En Terre D'Enfance [7] who are applying the C.U.P. theory.
He provides his studies to the general public through various media : books, youtube and internet articles.
His book, Détection et développement des talents en entreprise, edited by ISTE editions follows his doctoral thesis in semiology [8]. It is published in English in 2018 : Corporate Talent Detection and Development, Wiley Publishing.
J'espère que c'est une blague, ElKevbo ? Les anglophones ne sont pas plus con que les autres. Ils peuvent se débrouiller dans d'autres langues que la leur. Certes, j'écris mal, même dans ma langue. Darwin avait aussi un mauvais anglais bien qu'elle fut sa langue de naissance. Par ailleurs, je ne suis pas choqué lorsque l'on m'apporte autre chose qui sort du cadre de ma nation, de ma pensée et de mon piédestal quand bien même mal écrit. La théorie C.U.P. d'Yves Richez, parfaitement bien écrit, dépasse de manière dialectique la théorie d'Howard Gardner. Elle se concilie parfaitement à d'autres études. Il serait dommageable de ne pas en profiter puisque qu'elle est déjà disponible : Détection et développement des talents en entreprise. Une version anglaise de son livre va bientôt sortir. J'anticipe les choses d'autant plus que ça va faire du bruit. L'anglais ne prime pas sur d'autres langues. Certes les éditeurs des USA cherchent à contrôler les revues scientifiques et philosophiques. Mais, la pensée américaine représente seulement 8% de la pensée globale dans les universités dans le monde contre 68% de la pensée française selon Émile Jalley. Cordialement. S.L.
I happened accross this and thought it might be useful to this article:
Denis Postle’s (The Mind Gymnasium,1989) Model of multiple intelligence. Denis Postle’s model includes four types of intelligence: 1) Emotional Intelligence, 2) Intuitive Intelligence, 3) Physical Intelligence and 4) Intellectual Intelligence.
— Hian, Physical Intelligence of University of Technology MARA Sport Science Students (PDF) citing Postle, D. (1988). The Mind Gymnasium: A New Age Guide to Self Mastery. McGraw-Hill. ISBN 978-0-07-050569-8.
However, a quick search does not indicate to me that this model has been used or accepted, or that Denis Postle is notable. I mention it here in case it is useful to other editors. Daask ( talk) 13:22, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
"Bodily-kinesthetic" and "Physical intelligence" have the same topic. 1) There's an "anchor" on the heading "Physical intelligence" - can't we go around this silly restriction? And 2) "Physical intelligence" has got far more material then the other 9 or so modalities. Why not create a separate article and leave here only the general presentation, the one under "Bodily-kinesthetic"? Since we're talking of smarts :) Or are we just sticking to theory? Arminden ( talk) 20:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Under Intelligence Modalities, it first says (emphasis mine): "Howard Gardner proposed eight abilities that manifest multiple intelligences." After that nine modalities are mentioned. Who can explain this discrepancy and remove it? Thanks. Bcurfs ( talk) 02:45, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
the link isn't to a publicly accessible site. Coderiety.py ( talk) 04:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
When, at an early stage in the article, it says "According to the theory, an intelligence "modality" must fulfil eight criteria" and then lists them, would it not be better to say that these are the eight pieces of evidence Gardner cites for the theory? Yes, I have read Frames of Mind! YTKJ ( talk) 18:47, 14 December 2023 (UTC)