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I have created a separate article at Rocket 88 (band) for this group, as this article should only be about the song. 23skidoo 16:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I took this out of the article:
Ike Turner played piano on the cut. Brenston was a sax player. I hate the little {fact} tag things, so I moved this here where it can be properly dealt with. Who can forget Alfred Brendel's "Rocket 105", played on the bg wide Boesendorfer piano? Ortolan88 04:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The "88" in my stagename comes from Dr. John's boast about a piano break, "Dat's what dey call radiatin' on the 88". Ortolan88 14:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Interesting discussion page. Am including the following reference: All the above versions were in fact preceded by Pete Johnson's track, originally recorded for the Swingtime label in 1949. 83.180.164.137 16:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The article states unequivocally that the song was written by Ike Turner. There is no question whatsoever that Turner had a major and probably lead role in what was recorded in March 1951. However, the credits say - for whatever reason - that the song was written by Brenston. It is also clear that, like many songs, it borrowed freely from earlier sources, including Jimmy Liggins' "Cadillac Boogie". The balance of evidence is that the band - including in all probability both Turner and Brenston - worked it up together in rehearsals before the recording. My only point is that it is overstating the case to state unambiguously that the late great Ike Turner was its SOLE author. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 22:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but the following text which I removed and was reinstated (with revisions) still doesn't work, because especially given the fact a "Citation needed" tag has been added to the article, such material needs to have a third-party source. Find a book or article that talks about this, and then we can add it. Otherwise it could be seen as a WP:NOR issue. Here is the content I deleted:
In order to make this acceptable, a source needs to be added that says Ike Turner was influenced by the song cited. Or a source related to Joe Turner that claims Rocket 88 was based upon Fuzzy Wuzzy Honey (?) or Rockett 88 Boogie. 23skidoo ( talk) 20:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Those who subscribe to the definition of rock and roll as the melding of country music with rhythm and blues believe that it is Haley's version of the song, not the Turner/Brenston original, that is the first rock and roll record. No matter which version deserves the accolade, "Rocket 88" is seen as a prototype rock and roll song in musical style and lineup, not to mention its lyrical theme, in which an automobile serves as a metaphor for romantic prowess.
No references to this, OR -- 82.209.225.33 ( talk) 07:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I took this out:
"starting with a strongly stated back beat by drummer Willie Sims, and"
because there is no strongly stated backbeat. Certainly not by a snare drum accent as for example used in good rockin' tonight by Wynonie Harris (the first example of a backbeat throughout an entire song).
there is a sense of backbeat, which is created by the harmonic content of a boogie woogie itself. I think this is important to get right technically.
the boogie woogie guitar line which doesnt change at all through the song goes like this (in terms of the actual notes):
E EG G#B BC#B (basic boogie in E)
also done in the other keys in the 12 bar blues structure: ie I, IV, V, appropriately.
in this boogie the forward momentum is gained by the minor note (G) and the major 6th (C#) especially as they resolve to the G# and B respectively.
Couple this with the vocal rhythm which is repetitive and hypnotic, not to mention awesome, and the rhythm of the horns compliment this. This taken together created the strong sense of a backbeat (you can easily clap to this song), but technically, there is no snare accent. (which I believe is the definition of a back beat).
one last thing, the drums are playing a double shuffle (both the snare and hihats are shuffling) at approximately the same volume, throughout the song with a few fills on the floor tom and a the end there are hits to 'answer' the outro riff from the guitar/horns. the bass drum plays a regular and consistent 4 on the floor. (bass drums every count)
thats why i removed that sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.161.82.164 ( talk) 05:46, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Billboard for July 1951, shows Rocket 88 at number 3 in R&B and still number 1 most played R&B on jukeboxes. I'm putting it here as a placemarker, would be good if this info could be incorporated into the article somehow. Going to try and find the edition of Billboard where it's number one: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ah8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA126&dq=billboard+may+1951&hl=en&ei=df22Tq7eDsW0hAeHm82NBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&sqi=2&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=billboard%20may%201951&f=false It's so great now that practically every billboard ever is available online. Kaleeyed ( talk) 21:47, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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I have created a separate article at Rocket 88 (band) for this group, as this article should only be about the song. 23skidoo 16:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I took this out of the article:
Ike Turner played piano on the cut. Brenston was a sax player. I hate the little {fact} tag things, so I moved this here where it can be properly dealt with. Who can forget Alfred Brendel's "Rocket 105", played on the bg wide Boesendorfer piano? Ortolan88 04:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The "88" in my stagename comes from Dr. John's boast about a piano break, "Dat's what dey call radiatin' on the 88". Ortolan88 14:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Interesting discussion page. Am including the following reference: All the above versions were in fact preceded by Pete Johnson's track, originally recorded for the Swingtime label in 1949. 83.180.164.137 16:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The article states unequivocally that the song was written by Ike Turner. There is no question whatsoever that Turner had a major and probably lead role in what was recorded in March 1951. However, the credits say - for whatever reason - that the song was written by Brenston. It is also clear that, like many songs, it borrowed freely from earlier sources, including Jimmy Liggins' "Cadillac Boogie". The balance of evidence is that the band - including in all probability both Turner and Brenston - worked it up together in rehearsals before the recording. My only point is that it is overstating the case to state unambiguously that the late great Ike Turner was its SOLE author. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 22:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but the following text which I removed and was reinstated (with revisions) still doesn't work, because especially given the fact a "Citation needed" tag has been added to the article, such material needs to have a third-party source. Find a book or article that talks about this, and then we can add it. Otherwise it could be seen as a WP:NOR issue. Here is the content I deleted:
In order to make this acceptable, a source needs to be added that says Ike Turner was influenced by the song cited. Or a source related to Joe Turner that claims Rocket 88 was based upon Fuzzy Wuzzy Honey (?) or Rockett 88 Boogie. 23skidoo ( talk) 20:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Those who subscribe to the definition of rock and roll as the melding of country music with rhythm and blues believe that it is Haley's version of the song, not the Turner/Brenston original, that is the first rock and roll record. No matter which version deserves the accolade, "Rocket 88" is seen as a prototype rock and roll song in musical style and lineup, not to mention its lyrical theme, in which an automobile serves as a metaphor for romantic prowess.
No references to this, OR -- 82.209.225.33 ( talk) 07:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I took this out:
"starting with a strongly stated back beat by drummer Willie Sims, and"
because there is no strongly stated backbeat. Certainly not by a snare drum accent as for example used in good rockin' tonight by Wynonie Harris (the first example of a backbeat throughout an entire song).
there is a sense of backbeat, which is created by the harmonic content of a boogie woogie itself. I think this is important to get right technically.
the boogie woogie guitar line which doesnt change at all through the song goes like this (in terms of the actual notes):
E EG G#B BC#B (basic boogie in E)
also done in the other keys in the 12 bar blues structure: ie I, IV, V, appropriately.
in this boogie the forward momentum is gained by the minor note (G) and the major 6th (C#) especially as they resolve to the G# and B respectively.
Couple this with the vocal rhythm which is repetitive and hypnotic, not to mention awesome, and the rhythm of the horns compliment this. This taken together created the strong sense of a backbeat (you can easily clap to this song), but technically, there is no snare accent. (which I believe is the definition of a back beat).
one last thing, the drums are playing a double shuffle (both the snare and hihats are shuffling) at approximately the same volume, throughout the song with a few fills on the floor tom and a the end there are hits to 'answer' the outro riff from the guitar/horns. the bass drum plays a regular and consistent 4 on the floor. (bass drums every count)
thats why i removed that sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.161.82.164 ( talk) 05:46, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Billboard for July 1951, shows Rocket 88 at number 3 in R&B and still number 1 most played R&B on jukeboxes. I'm putting it here as a placemarker, would be good if this info could be incorporated into the article somehow. Going to try and find the edition of Billboard where it's number one: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ah8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA126&dq=billboard+may+1951&hl=en&ei=df22Tq7eDsW0hAeHm82NBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&sqi=2&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=billboard%20may%201951&f=false It's so great now that practically every billboard ever is available online. Kaleeyed ( talk) 21:47, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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