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According to MozillaZine, the development of Netscape has ceased. Could someone update to the article that 7.1 was the last release?
This is what the article says:
"It has been learned through public and private sources that AOL has cut or will cut the remaining team working on Mozilla in a mass firing and are dismantling what was left of Netscape (they've even pulled the logos off the buildings). Some will remain working on Mozilla during the transition, and will move to other jobs within AOL."
-- Hank Powers
The release dates I added to the list are based on Netscape press releases
[1]. If someone know better feel free to edit them. --
Peter Winnberg
The "7" in the text is linking to an external source. Is it OK according to Wikipedia standards? Shouldn't the link be at the end of the article instead? - Olivier
Any chance we can cut down the size of this picture? It's spreading the page across the right margin. -- Zoe
Ive tried to resize the pic it doesn't give a good result. Ericd
How to link the big image ?
This latest one looks good, thanks, Ericd. -- Zoe
I have no objections. -- Zoe
Isn't it more appreciate to have a separate article about Broser war and the article should contain much more explanasions about Netscape Nagivator itself. -- Taku 04:32 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
I agree. -- Taku 04:50 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
Should we dump the image of Navigator 1.xx and replace it with an image of Wikipedia using Navigator 7.xx instead??? Comments? - hoshie
Thanks for the comments everyone. On one of my backup CDs, I have NS versions from 0.9x to 7.01. I would be happy to take screenshots of any NS version. - hoshie
As a Netscape user (v7.0?) I have to agree that this is now more a niche product. I only use netscape since it's what I was accustomed with through my "childhood" (and particular Netscape Mail). I think the article lost one of the nice features with v7.0?. I refer to the tab functions. So instead of having a lot of tabs down at the start bar, you have tabs inside netscape. But I guess this has nothing to do with a wikipedia entry.. ? :) Mendalus 20:07, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Only in the last year or two has the rise of alternatives like Mozilla and Konqueror given it strong competition. How does ~2% market share translate to strong competition? Crusadeonilliteracy 13:20, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Am I alone in finding this a little POV? I mean "...hardly more than a niche product". How about "...but now has only a very limited base of users." or something like that? - IMSoP 03:56, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This article is far too broad. It contains (and duplicates) information which belongs in the entries for Netscape Communications Corporation and Browser wars. I intend to edit it soon to move information into those two articles and restrict the focus of this article to Netscape Navigator itself. Brian Kendig 06:47, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There appears to be a row between an anon user holding it was IE4 and Tannin holding it was IE5. Watching the slow trainwreck at the time, I do recall it being IE4 - the layout in IE3 was horrible, the layout in IE4 was excellent; IE4 came with Windows 98 so was instantly everywhere; IE4 started getting really heavily into the non-compatible extensions; IE4 had CSS that worked, rather than crashing the browser like it did on NS 4.x. Tannin, what was your perspective that leads you to discount IE4? - David Gerard 13:01, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)
Let's get this straight.
First, this is an article about Netscape - not Internet Explorer. It is not appropriate to go into any detail bar the minimum required to explain properly the development of Netscape.
Second, let's deal with some of the nonsense spouted on in edit summaries lately:
Tannin 13:10, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
What has "IE5 being better than IE4 got to do with which one first posed a challenge to Netscape?" Everything! It is precisely because IE 4 had so many problems, was so buggy and so slow, that it failed to meet with market acceptance. IE 4 shook the Netscape tree, sure, that is obvious. But it was IE 5 that cut the tree down, and it was IE 5 that became the most popular browser on the planet - not IE 4.
Your point about Microsoft bundling IE 4 with every copy of Windows holds no water. They bundled IE 3 with every copy of Windows too (95B), and IE 5 (98SE, 2000 and ME), and 6.0 (XP). Why are you making 4.0 out to be special? Tannin
As final proof, note that Microsoft didn't establish numerical market leadership (i.e., greater market share than Netscape) until the middle of 1999 - i.e., until after the release of V 5.0. In other words, Microsoft were number 2 to Netscape during the entire time that IE 4.0 was their flagship browser. Within months of the release of 5.0 they became number 1, and have remained so ever since.
Good edit, IMSoP. It reads better now. Tannin
Please do not use the JPEG format for screenshots. Thanks. — Timwi 13:32, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Your September 12th page lists that date (1994) as the 1.0 release, yet this page says December... which is it? It's frustrating when two pages inside wikipedia have conflicting information. JoeHenzi 10:27, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know the release dates for every single version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.84.139.47 ( talk) 04:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
The article mentioned Netscape for BeOS. While a port of Mozilla to Be is now available, to the best of my knowledge, Netscape classic was never ported. 'twas a bleak, bleak world of Opera 3 and NetPositive...
I guess there is some dispute over my removal of this phrase: "this marked the effective end of Netscape as an entity and its relegation to little more than a historical footnote". This type of value judgment is POV and doesn't belong in any Wikipedia article, whether or not it's true. It is my opinion that Netscape is not currently, and will not be a "historical footnote" (a term of derision) for a long way into the future. It is no more of a "footnote" than WordPerfect, or the IBM PC, two other discontinued computing products of a similar scope. My opinion aside, this phrase is POV and I removed it again. Rhobite 02:46, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)
A point release of Netscape 7.1 (based on Mozilla 1.4) was similarly ignored. However, Netscape is still the most used distribution of Mozilla.
This section seems to be contradicting itself by saying that NN is the most-used distribution of Mozilla while also saying everyone ignored the Mozilla-based versions of NN (because they were no better than NN).
Also, the last statement is untrue because the Mozilla Foundation's browsers (especially Firefox) are now more popular than NN according to most stats. Having said that I don't see that it is ever possible to be sure who is the most popular and IMO the article would lose nothing by not bringing up this subject.
As Netscape Browser 8.0 is coming out, I suggest the following reorganization:
The point is that Netscape Browser 8.0+ should stay in its own article page as it is a very different product: current Netscapes are application suites, but Netscape Browser 8.0 is just a web browser, aka poorly-bloated Firefox. -- Minghong 20:18, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I did that. Now the structure is basically like this:
-- minghong 18:22, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I have another suggestion. Please see Talk:Netscape/Archives/2012#Names_and_version_numbers. – Smyth\ talk 09:57, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
I just added a new criticism section, as I think the frustration of web masters about Netscape 4's often strangely and incorrectly implemented standards should be mentioned here, along with their own invented standards. Because it's about Microsoft, I'm sure the Internet Explorer has long had such a section, although both parts used these dirty tricks in their browser war to make something the other vendor couldn't and gain an upper hand. :-) Feel free to correct it of course. I don't want to come off as NPOV, but rather try to inform about these opinions that do indeed exist, and I think quite widely too.
As I wrote that section, I also started wondering about the Netscape Communicator article and if/how this criticism should be mentioned there too, but I chose to not do anything for now. It *is* mostly a branding + bundling change though, so the criticism here should apply there as well. -- Jugalator 15:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Did the Netscape 3 , having 2 different versions available to choose from deserve such criticism?
Netscape 3 Gold was a separate edition which was NOT forced to users and I really don't remember if it was crash prone resulting from extra functionality. It was called peak of Netscape quality many times. The version "4" is the one which nobody wants to take responsibility for. Ilgaz ( talk) 14:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand they're not the same thing, but without Netscape there wouldn't have been mozilla.org. Xiner 01:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, are there people who wants to delete (good or bad) AOL's involvement with Mozilla at early stages? Like them or not, they opened THEIR code, hired THEIR developers for free, donated huge sums of money while getting out of Mozilla project while they didn't have to. Also would Mozilla project get such press/identity if a reachable with huge press staff company like AOL wasn't behind it in early stages?
It is not about defending AOL, it is about giving the credit. Historically having a connection with AOL isn't a "bad" thing, it was a clean partnership with everything in open source. I remember seeing thousands and thousands of patches, fixes coming from @netscape.com or even @aol.com making the first public version usable. At that time, those high profile developers were AOL employees, community couldn't pay their (well deserved) wages. Firefox fans shouldn't try to "erase" parts of history. Not like they can, just watching a Firefox 2 compiled will give a lot of clue about Netscape involvement Ilgaz ( talk) 15:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Since Netscape have confirmed that the new release of Netscape (version 9) will be return to being Netscape Navigator 9, when the time comes, what do you think we should do?
Personally, I think the existing Netscape Navigator article should contain information on the (then) current Netscape 9 release, while perhaps a Netscape Navigator 4 article for the older Netscape 4.x versions (with a see also tag at the top).
Alternatively, make Netscape Navigator a disambiguation page leading to Netscape Navigator 4 and Netscape Navigator 9.
Any ideas? There seems to be quite a lot of information growing already about Navigator 9 on the main Netscape article, so when it releases it could do with an article of its own like the rest of the versions. /Marbles 21:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
No references/citations. Is this section needed? Tmursch 00:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I am sick of reverting this page.
Please do not add new information to the old article / vice versa until a consensus is brought forward otherwise.
/Marbles 10:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I won't edit the page any more, but splitting everything like that (even when it has the same name!) is silly in my view. I think that one should describe all Netscape versions as a whole (even if the details are on separate pages). Netscape 9 should be mentioned as a version here, even if there is a special page for it. -- Mégara (Мегъра) - D. G. Mavrov 17:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Historically Netscape called it "Navigator" if it was browser only and "Communicator" "Gold" if it has other extra feature like e-mail, html editing. I believe if they released something based on Seamonkey, they would call it Netscape 9 "Communicator" and/or "Suite" Ilgaz ( talk) 15:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Netscape Navigator (original) and Netscape Navigator 9 are totally different programs...
I realize this perfectly. However, would you expect a program to be the same after 5 versions? The problem with Netscape is that they changed the browser's complete name too often. If they called it "Navigator" all the time, there wouldn't be so many pages here. -- Mégara (Мегъра) - D. G. Mavrov 13:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
The image at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MainPage-Netscape4macfixed-brion.png refereed to in this article is not a screenshot of Navigator 4.07 as the article states. That's for many reasons. 1. Navigator 4.0x did not have a "Shop" button, that came later on. 2. The menu bar clearly states that it is Communicator.
The criticisms section ends with a paragraph saying that even though NN ignored most web standards, it pioneered a whole lot of ideas that later went on to become standards in their own right. This is especially important nowadays in relation to Chrome OS, as the NPAPI provided the first (as far as I know) implementation of an application running in a plugin via the browser, and is still implemented in every major modern browser except IE to handle all flash, video, etc. content. I think that a list of innovations and "firsts" would add a lot to this article.
KHAAAAAAAAAAN ( talk) 13:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Mabdul, in your , you removed a link to http://web.archive.org/web/19990423023723/browserwatch.internet.com/news/story/bw-news1.html saying there was a .9x version. I believe there was, and you can still download .9b, .93b, .94b2, .96b .
Theres also an official link at Netscape Archived Client Products and another more complete one at Netscape Browser Archive. I'd rather cleanup the netscape browser articles after we finish with the more obscure ones...Netscape will be a massive project =/. Smallman12q ( talk) 01:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Did someone check the veracity of this statement (rise of netscape p2)
"An important innovation that Netscape introduced in 1994 was the on-the-fly display of web pages, where text and graphics appeared on the screen as the web page downloaded. Earlier web browsers would not display a page until all graphics on it had been loaded over the network connection; this often made a user stare at a blank page for as long as several minutes. With Netscape, people using dial-up connections could begin reading the text of a web page within seconds of entering a web address, even before the rest of the text and graphics had finished downloading. This made the web much more tolerable to the average user."
This is a little hazy for me but the way I remember it this is the feature that actually first drew me away from NN because it didn't do this whist IE 3 or 4 did. I did find a reference to this feature here but have found precious little other info. Maybe some version of IE displayed loaded text even before the entire page loaded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.232.248.15 ( talk) 16:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
[2] even 2.0 is still used interesting Ottawa4ever ( talk) 20:46, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
The article correctly mentions that Netscape Communicator 4.x was crash-prone when attempting to load webpages containing Cascading Style Sheets. What should be mentioned is that Netscape had submitted a competing alternative to CSS called JavaScript Style Sheets that was implemented in Communicator 4.x. CSS implementation was carried out as a poor, hurried hack that attempted to convert CSS into JSSS. No competing browser implemented JSSS focusing instead on CSS which the W3C adopted as a web standard. Fortguy ( talk) 21:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
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I was doing clean up in Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/December 15. It seems that the article can't go to the OTD of the main page since the date for "1994 – Netscape Navigator 1.0, the leading web browser in the 1990s, was first released" is not cited in the article. You can fix it and have it on the main page. Regards. -- Mhhossein talk 19:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I have made this edit - see the reason described in the edit summary.
Some people use "all but" instead of "almost", though the latter is much more common and logical. Maybe they think that "all but" is a stronger version of "almost". And indeed, the Longman dictionary defines it as "almost completely", but the rest of the most prestigious dictionaries define it as "almost". So, probably the Longman is wrong. If last year I saw 100 pigeons in the park, and now I see only 5, then I can say "They almost disappeared", but what if if their number reduced to 2? Should I say: "They all but disappeared"? 85.193.215.210 ( talk) 02:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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According to MozillaZine, the development of Netscape has ceased. Could someone update to the article that 7.1 was the last release?
This is what the article says:
"It has been learned through public and private sources that AOL has cut or will cut the remaining team working on Mozilla in a mass firing and are dismantling what was left of Netscape (they've even pulled the logos off the buildings). Some will remain working on Mozilla during the transition, and will move to other jobs within AOL."
-- Hank Powers
The release dates I added to the list are based on Netscape press releases
[1]. If someone know better feel free to edit them. --
Peter Winnberg
The "7" in the text is linking to an external source. Is it OK according to Wikipedia standards? Shouldn't the link be at the end of the article instead? - Olivier
Any chance we can cut down the size of this picture? It's spreading the page across the right margin. -- Zoe
Ive tried to resize the pic it doesn't give a good result. Ericd
How to link the big image ?
This latest one looks good, thanks, Ericd. -- Zoe
I have no objections. -- Zoe
Isn't it more appreciate to have a separate article about Broser war and the article should contain much more explanasions about Netscape Nagivator itself. -- Taku 04:32 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
I agree. -- Taku 04:50 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
Should we dump the image of Navigator 1.xx and replace it with an image of Wikipedia using Navigator 7.xx instead??? Comments? - hoshie
Thanks for the comments everyone. On one of my backup CDs, I have NS versions from 0.9x to 7.01. I would be happy to take screenshots of any NS version. - hoshie
As a Netscape user (v7.0?) I have to agree that this is now more a niche product. I only use netscape since it's what I was accustomed with through my "childhood" (and particular Netscape Mail). I think the article lost one of the nice features with v7.0?. I refer to the tab functions. So instead of having a lot of tabs down at the start bar, you have tabs inside netscape. But I guess this has nothing to do with a wikipedia entry.. ? :) Mendalus 20:07, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Only in the last year or two has the rise of alternatives like Mozilla and Konqueror given it strong competition. How does ~2% market share translate to strong competition? Crusadeonilliteracy 13:20, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Am I alone in finding this a little POV? I mean "...hardly more than a niche product". How about "...but now has only a very limited base of users." or something like that? - IMSoP 03:56, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This article is far too broad. It contains (and duplicates) information which belongs in the entries for Netscape Communications Corporation and Browser wars. I intend to edit it soon to move information into those two articles and restrict the focus of this article to Netscape Navigator itself. Brian Kendig 06:47, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There appears to be a row between an anon user holding it was IE4 and Tannin holding it was IE5. Watching the slow trainwreck at the time, I do recall it being IE4 - the layout in IE3 was horrible, the layout in IE4 was excellent; IE4 came with Windows 98 so was instantly everywhere; IE4 started getting really heavily into the non-compatible extensions; IE4 had CSS that worked, rather than crashing the browser like it did on NS 4.x. Tannin, what was your perspective that leads you to discount IE4? - David Gerard 13:01, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)
Let's get this straight.
First, this is an article about Netscape - not Internet Explorer. It is not appropriate to go into any detail bar the minimum required to explain properly the development of Netscape.
Second, let's deal with some of the nonsense spouted on in edit summaries lately:
Tannin 13:10, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
What has "IE5 being better than IE4 got to do with which one first posed a challenge to Netscape?" Everything! It is precisely because IE 4 had so many problems, was so buggy and so slow, that it failed to meet with market acceptance. IE 4 shook the Netscape tree, sure, that is obvious. But it was IE 5 that cut the tree down, and it was IE 5 that became the most popular browser on the planet - not IE 4.
Your point about Microsoft bundling IE 4 with every copy of Windows holds no water. They bundled IE 3 with every copy of Windows too (95B), and IE 5 (98SE, 2000 and ME), and 6.0 (XP). Why are you making 4.0 out to be special? Tannin
As final proof, note that Microsoft didn't establish numerical market leadership (i.e., greater market share than Netscape) until the middle of 1999 - i.e., until after the release of V 5.0. In other words, Microsoft were number 2 to Netscape during the entire time that IE 4.0 was their flagship browser. Within months of the release of 5.0 they became number 1, and have remained so ever since.
Good edit, IMSoP. It reads better now. Tannin
Please do not use the JPEG format for screenshots. Thanks. — Timwi 13:32, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Your September 12th page lists that date (1994) as the 1.0 release, yet this page says December... which is it? It's frustrating when two pages inside wikipedia have conflicting information. JoeHenzi 10:27, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know the release dates for every single version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.84.139.47 ( talk) 04:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
The article mentioned Netscape for BeOS. While a port of Mozilla to Be is now available, to the best of my knowledge, Netscape classic was never ported. 'twas a bleak, bleak world of Opera 3 and NetPositive...
I guess there is some dispute over my removal of this phrase: "this marked the effective end of Netscape as an entity and its relegation to little more than a historical footnote". This type of value judgment is POV and doesn't belong in any Wikipedia article, whether or not it's true. It is my opinion that Netscape is not currently, and will not be a "historical footnote" (a term of derision) for a long way into the future. It is no more of a "footnote" than WordPerfect, or the IBM PC, two other discontinued computing products of a similar scope. My opinion aside, this phrase is POV and I removed it again. Rhobite 02:46, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)
A point release of Netscape 7.1 (based on Mozilla 1.4) was similarly ignored. However, Netscape is still the most used distribution of Mozilla.
This section seems to be contradicting itself by saying that NN is the most-used distribution of Mozilla while also saying everyone ignored the Mozilla-based versions of NN (because they were no better than NN).
Also, the last statement is untrue because the Mozilla Foundation's browsers (especially Firefox) are now more popular than NN according to most stats. Having said that I don't see that it is ever possible to be sure who is the most popular and IMO the article would lose nothing by not bringing up this subject.
As Netscape Browser 8.0 is coming out, I suggest the following reorganization:
The point is that Netscape Browser 8.0+ should stay in its own article page as it is a very different product: current Netscapes are application suites, but Netscape Browser 8.0 is just a web browser, aka poorly-bloated Firefox. -- Minghong 20:18, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I did that. Now the structure is basically like this:
-- minghong 18:22, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I have another suggestion. Please see Talk:Netscape/Archives/2012#Names_and_version_numbers. – Smyth\ talk 09:57, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
I just added a new criticism section, as I think the frustration of web masters about Netscape 4's often strangely and incorrectly implemented standards should be mentioned here, along with their own invented standards. Because it's about Microsoft, I'm sure the Internet Explorer has long had such a section, although both parts used these dirty tricks in their browser war to make something the other vendor couldn't and gain an upper hand. :-) Feel free to correct it of course. I don't want to come off as NPOV, but rather try to inform about these opinions that do indeed exist, and I think quite widely too.
As I wrote that section, I also started wondering about the Netscape Communicator article and if/how this criticism should be mentioned there too, but I chose to not do anything for now. It *is* mostly a branding + bundling change though, so the criticism here should apply there as well. -- Jugalator 15:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Did the Netscape 3 , having 2 different versions available to choose from deserve such criticism?
Netscape 3 Gold was a separate edition which was NOT forced to users and I really don't remember if it was crash prone resulting from extra functionality. It was called peak of Netscape quality many times. The version "4" is the one which nobody wants to take responsibility for. Ilgaz ( talk) 14:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand they're not the same thing, but without Netscape there wouldn't have been mozilla.org. Xiner 01:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, are there people who wants to delete (good or bad) AOL's involvement with Mozilla at early stages? Like them or not, they opened THEIR code, hired THEIR developers for free, donated huge sums of money while getting out of Mozilla project while they didn't have to. Also would Mozilla project get such press/identity if a reachable with huge press staff company like AOL wasn't behind it in early stages?
It is not about defending AOL, it is about giving the credit. Historically having a connection with AOL isn't a "bad" thing, it was a clean partnership with everything in open source. I remember seeing thousands and thousands of patches, fixes coming from @netscape.com or even @aol.com making the first public version usable. At that time, those high profile developers were AOL employees, community couldn't pay their (well deserved) wages. Firefox fans shouldn't try to "erase" parts of history. Not like they can, just watching a Firefox 2 compiled will give a lot of clue about Netscape involvement Ilgaz ( talk) 15:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Since Netscape have confirmed that the new release of Netscape (version 9) will be return to being Netscape Navigator 9, when the time comes, what do you think we should do?
Personally, I think the existing Netscape Navigator article should contain information on the (then) current Netscape 9 release, while perhaps a Netscape Navigator 4 article for the older Netscape 4.x versions (with a see also tag at the top).
Alternatively, make Netscape Navigator a disambiguation page leading to Netscape Navigator 4 and Netscape Navigator 9.
Any ideas? There seems to be quite a lot of information growing already about Navigator 9 on the main Netscape article, so when it releases it could do with an article of its own like the rest of the versions. /Marbles 21:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
No references/citations. Is this section needed? Tmursch 00:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I am sick of reverting this page.
Please do not add new information to the old article / vice versa until a consensus is brought forward otherwise.
/Marbles 10:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I won't edit the page any more, but splitting everything like that (even when it has the same name!) is silly in my view. I think that one should describe all Netscape versions as a whole (even if the details are on separate pages). Netscape 9 should be mentioned as a version here, even if there is a special page for it. -- Mégara (Мегъра) - D. G. Mavrov 17:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Historically Netscape called it "Navigator" if it was browser only and "Communicator" "Gold" if it has other extra feature like e-mail, html editing. I believe if they released something based on Seamonkey, they would call it Netscape 9 "Communicator" and/or "Suite" Ilgaz ( talk) 15:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Netscape Navigator (original) and Netscape Navigator 9 are totally different programs...
I realize this perfectly. However, would you expect a program to be the same after 5 versions? The problem with Netscape is that they changed the browser's complete name too often. If they called it "Navigator" all the time, there wouldn't be so many pages here. -- Mégara (Мегъра) - D. G. Mavrov 13:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
The image at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MainPage-Netscape4macfixed-brion.png refereed to in this article is not a screenshot of Navigator 4.07 as the article states. That's for many reasons. 1. Navigator 4.0x did not have a "Shop" button, that came later on. 2. The menu bar clearly states that it is Communicator.
The criticisms section ends with a paragraph saying that even though NN ignored most web standards, it pioneered a whole lot of ideas that later went on to become standards in their own right. This is especially important nowadays in relation to Chrome OS, as the NPAPI provided the first (as far as I know) implementation of an application running in a plugin via the browser, and is still implemented in every major modern browser except IE to handle all flash, video, etc. content. I think that a list of innovations and "firsts" would add a lot to this article.
KHAAAAAAAAAAN ( talk) 13:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Mabdul, in your , you removed a link to http://web.archive.org/web/19990423023723/browserwatch.internet.com/news/story/bw-news1.html saying there was a .9x version. I believe there was, and you can still download .9b, .93b, .94b2, .96b .
Theres also an official link at Netscape Archived Client Products and another more complete one at Netscape Browser Archive. I'd rather cleanup the netscape browser articles after we finish with the more obscure ones...Netscape will be a massive project =/. Smallman12q ( talk) 01:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Did someone check the veracity of this statement (rise of netscape p2)
"An important innovation that Netscape introduced in 1994 was the on-the-fly display of web pages, where text and graphics appeared on the screen as the web page downloaded. Earlier web browsers would not display a page until all graphics on it had been loaded over the network connection; this often made a user stare at a blank page for as long as several minutes. With Netscape, people using dial-up connections could begin reading the text of a web page within seconds of entering a web address, even before the rest of the text and graphics had finished downloading. This made the web much more tolerable to the average user."
This is a little hazy for me but the way I remember it this is the feature that actually first drew me away from NN because it didn't do this whist IE 3 or 4 did. I did find a reference to this feature here but have found precious little other info. Maybe some version of IE displayed loaded text even before the entire page loaded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.232.248.15 ( talk) 16:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
[2] even 2.0 is still used interesting Ottawa4ever ( talk) 20:46, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
The article correctly mentions that Netscape Communicator 4.x was crash-prone when attempting to load webpages containing Cascading Style Sheets. What should be mentioned is that Netscape had submitted a competing alternative to CSS called JavaScript Style Sheets that was implemented in Communicator 4.x. CSS implementation was carried out as a poor, hurried hack that attempted to convert CSS into JSSS. No competing browser implemented JSSS focusing instead on CSS which the W3C adopted as a web standard. Fortguy ( talk) 21:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
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I was doing clean up in Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/December 15. It seems that the article can't go to the OTD of the main page since the date for "1994 – Netscape Navigator 1.0, the leading web browser in the 1990s, was first released" is not cited in the article. You can fix it and have it on the main page. Regards. -- Mhhossein talk 19:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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Some people use "all but" instead of "almost", though the latter is much more common and logical. Maybe they think that "all but" is a stronger version of "almost". And indeed, the Longman dictionary defines it as "almost completely", but the rest of the most prestigious dictionaries define it as "almost". So, probably the Longman is wrong. If last year I saw 100 pigeons in the park, and now I see only 5, then I can say "They almost disappeared", but what if if their number reduced to 2? Should I say: "They all but disappeared"? 85.193.215.210 ( talk) 02:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)