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Former good articleMessianic Judaism was one of the Philosophy and religion good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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DateProcessResult
February 12, 2008 Good article nomineeNot listed
August 5, 2008 Good article nomineeListed
November 23, 2008 Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Cultural appropriation

The article makes no mention of Messianic Judaism as a Christian cultural appropriation of Judaism. This should be mentioned within the article. Even the section of Messianic Judaism's reception among Jews makes no mention of cultural appropriation. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 11:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Is it even possible to culturally appropriate religions? Aren't they sort of open-source platforms? Iskandar323 ( talk) 11:28, 30 March 2023 (UTC) reply
Certainly. Jewishness/Judaism isn't only a religion, but also a culture and ethnicity. Cultural appropriation has also been discussed in the context of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. A Google search for 'Jewish cultural appropriation' yields over 2 million results. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 14:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC) reply
If only the Sumerians were around to state their case ... everyone's stolen their shit. Iskandar323 ( talk) 16:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC) reply
100% agree with that statement. Ctysick ( talk) 13:48, 17 December 2023 (UTC) reply
No, very few religions could be likened to such. Most of the world's religions have no great interest in converts, or spreading themselves, or converting the world to their ways. Just a couple do. SomerIsland ( talk) 05:11, 20 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Messianic Judaism is a legitimate branch of Judaism. Its followers follow the Torah and worship the God of Israel. The verses that support Jesus as our Messiah are present. Ladston772 ( talk) 04:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC) reply
Nope. Messianic Jews are evangelical protestants. 23.31.243.57 ( talk) 15:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC) reply
Yeah you are not Jews. Its clearly evangelical Christians attempting to fool people into thinking they are Jews. 2600:1700:BFC0:C320:41EE:78A6:D3EB:7239 ( talk) 02:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Source? Taz On The Free Encyclopedia ( talk) 06:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Is that not a matter of opinion (Whether something is cultural appropriation.) in this case, since Messianic Jews consider themselves to be Jewish, not to be non-Jews who act Jewish? Taz On The Free Encyclopedia ( talk) 06:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC) reply

“currently”

The article uses “currently” incorrectly. The correct form is “As of 2015, …” (or whenever the outdated information was collected). 2600:1700:8B40:4660:2C71:98AD:5014:5DCD ( talk) 08:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Are you referring to reference 25? Taz On The Free Encyclopedia ( talk) 06:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2024

Change "(despit all major Jewish groups)" to "(despite all major Jewish groups)". 184.56.226.103 ( talk) 12:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC) reply

 Done Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) ( Talk) 12:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Correct History

Messianic Judaism is not modern. Yeshua and his followers were all Jews. Reference BIBLE, DEAD SEA SCROLLS. JEWISH history. Even Jewish historians that are orthodox have recorded ALL of Yeshua’s followers were Jews. This is why Pharisees and Sadducee's were so upset. Because they felt Yeshua was leading the Jewish people astray Kew9543 ( talk) 13:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I have never seen 'Messianic Judaism' used to refer to Jesus's followers or historical Christians. I have only seen it used to describe more modern groups (to be fair, my experience with the label has mostly been people insulting it). Given that it refers to a modern religious groups and not to a historical one, I see no reason why the history as it is currently written is incorrect (Though some parts of the article - specifically the first paragraph - seem to have a citation problem).
Can you provide a source for where the Dead sea scrolls talk about Jesus? I have found no sources saying such and a one (possibly two if National Geographic would let me read the article proper and not just the excerpt on the search results page. Oh well) saying the opposite. I was under the impression that they mostly predate him. Sgeress ( talk) 05:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Former good articleMessianic Judaism was one of the Philosophy and religion good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
February 12, 2008 Good article nomineeNot listed
August 5, 2008 Good article nomineeListed
November 23, 2008 Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Cultural appropriation

The article makes no mention of Messianic Judaism as a Christian cultural appropriation of Judaism. This should be mentioned within the article. Even the section of Messianic Judaism's reception among Jews makes no mention of cultural appropriation. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 11:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Is it even possible to culturally appropriate religions? Aren't they sort of open-source platforms? Iskandar323 ( talk) 11:28, 30 March 2023 (UTC) reply
Certainly. Jewishness/Judaism isn't only a religion, but also a culture and ethnicity. Cultural appropriation has also been discussed in the context of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. A Google search for 'Jewish cultural appropriation' yields over 2 million results. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 14:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC) reply
If only the Sumerians were around to state their case ... everyone's stolen their shit. Iskandar323 ( talk) 16:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC) reply
100% agree with that statement. Ctysick ( talk) 13:48, 17 December 2023 (UTC) reply
No, very few religions could be likened to such. Most of the world's religions have no great interest in converts, or spreading themselves, or converting the world to their ways. Just a couple do. SomerIsland ( talk) 05:11, 20 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Messianic Judaism is a legitimate branch of Judaism. Its followers follow the Torah and worship the God of Israel. The verses that support Jesus as our Messiah are present. Ladston772 ( talk) 04:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC) reply
Nope. Messianic Jews are evangelical protestants. 23.31.243.57 ( talk) 15:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC) reply
Yeah you are not Jews. Its clearly evangelical Christians attempting to fool people into thinking they are Jews. 2600:1700:BFC0:C320:41EE:78A6:D3EB:7239 ( talk) 02:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Source? Taz On The Free Encyclopedia ( talk) 06:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Is that not a matter of opinion (Whether something is cultural appropriation.) in this case, since Messianic Jews consider themselves to be Jewish, not to be non-Jews who act Jewish? Taz On The Free Encyclopedia ( talk) 06:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC) reply

“currently”

The article uses “currently” incorrectly. The correct form is “As of 2015, …” (or whenever the outdated information was collected). 2600:1700:8B40:4660:2C71:98AD:5014:5DCD ( talk) 08:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Are you referring to reference 25? Taz On The Free Encyclopedia ( talk) 06:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2024

Change "(despit all major Jewish groups)" to "(despite all major Jewish groups)". 184.56.226.103 ( talk) 12:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC) reply

 Done Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) ( Talk) 12:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Correct History

Messianic Judaism is not modern. Yeshua and his followers were all Jews. Reference BIBLE, DEAD SEA SCROLLS. JEWISH history. Even Jewish historians that are orthodox have recorded ALL of Yeshua’s followers were Jews. This is why Pharisees and Sadducee's were so upset. Because they felt Yeshua was leading the Jewish people astray Kew9543 ( talk) 13:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I have never seen 'Messianic Judaism' used to refer to Jesus's followers or historical Christians. I have only seen it used to describe more modern groups (to be fair, my experience with the label has mostly been people insulting it). Given that it refers to a modern religious groups and not to a historical one, I see no reason why the history as it is currently written is incorrect (Though some parts of the article - specifically the first paragraph - seem to have a citation problem).
Can you provide a source for where the Dead sea scrolls talk about Jesus? I have found no sources saying such and a one (possibly two if National Geographic would let me read the article proper and not just the excerpt on the search results page. Oh well) saying the opposite. I was under the impression that they mostly predate him. Sgeress ( talk) 05:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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