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Why is this article titled "penis panic"? It is more commonly referred to as "genital retraction syndrome" or "koro" in the literature. I realize people may more readily understand "penis panic", but it is a rather unscientific term. Saar42 22:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Right on, this is the funniest article i have ever read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.83.121.172 ( talk) 22:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I positively agree. The best parts here on the talk page have got be the monkey penis conversation directly below, the fellatio cure below that and the pharmaceutically enhanched victim below that. This talk page is the most hilarious thing I have yet read on Wikipedia.
Following paragraph is response by user 99.130.8.150: This "Penis Panic" Wiki-Tabloid article is obviously another sly design by depraved and lonely members of society (you know who!), and the weasel language totally smacks of anti-Asian (and anti-African) "intellectual" verbiage. The term "shuk-yang" or "suoyang" is a TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) term which means loss of "yang" male essence or vitality, often due to too much sexual activity and inadequate nutrition and rest, but it does not indicate the patient is "PENIS PANICKING", or otherwise freaking out. Take a look at this "Penis Panic" propaganda-article's available language versions (Česky, Deutsch, Francais, Nederlands, Polski and Suomi), and you'll understand the background of, and the readers that such an article is intended to make them feel better about themselves (lol). 24 September 2010 (UTC) 99.130.8.150,(UTC)
How can Koro be treated by "a course of alprazolam and imipramine"? The article seems to say that Koro refers to the retraction of the penis into the body, and that this is impossible. --[[User:be inclined to put it into the large category of symptoms resulting from somato-sensory affectional deprivation, that is, lack of physical affection in childhood, adolescence and adulthood. Our own modern society is full with the most bizarre sexual fetishes, and sex panics are perhaps little more than a more chaotic way to deal with similar neuropsychological manifestations.
Someone else, excellent work on Penis panic -- we're really getting somewhere on this subject. Keep up the hard work. Paul Klenk 02:17, 26 Oct 2003 (UTC)
William S. Burroughs mentions Koro breafly in his book Naked Lunch. Auric The Rad 17:58, Nov 26, 2003 (UTC)
Call me ignorant, but what's an electronic comb? Shaver, toothbrush, hair trimmer, yes but comb? Andy G 20:27, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Suggestion:
This actually seems to belong in the category of 'dysmorphism' disorders like obsessive body-builders who would would rather kill themselves with steroids than suffer the indignity of losing their muscle definition, or anorexics who will starve themselves to death thinking they are 'fat' all the while. The only major difference it seems is that it is 'sporadic' in a wide portion of the population instead of constant in a smaller portion (if the account on the existing page is reliable). Or is there also a small segment of the population who suffer this syndrome constantly? I bet there is... I think there need to be links to and from the pages on these disorders. Hmm, there is a page for Anorexia, but not one for Body Dismorphism Disorder yet. New page needed? :)
"Another common misconception is that the penis can be kept safely in a woman's mouth."
Can someone provide a source for that? Sounds too bizarre to be true. 18.246.0.79 10:41, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I don´t agree. It's not even a misconception. The penis can be kept safely in a woman's mouth. Or a man's for that matter! please refer to oral sex for more information. Stenbh 21:37, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I believe that sentence refers to teeth introducing a risk of possible penectomy. Rafał Pocztarski 04:07, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Unsourced for two months. I'm deleting it. It can go back if someone sources it properly. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:12, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
In fact I believe it's common for it to do quite the opposite. Boing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.181.88 ( talk) 02:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
a penis can be kept in any orifice long as there are no excessive fluids and it can also be kept safely in men's mouths
Is there any support for renaming/redirecting this page to Genital retraction syndrome (GRS), allowing it to become more general. Koro is not exclusively a penis panic, thus much of the article related more to GRS than to penis panics, as it is. ~ Dpr 07:06, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
First of all, I know there is a reference to the belief that Koro can be cured by oral sex in Joseph Cambell's Hero With a Thousand Faces.
Secondly, I know that an anonymous internet report carries absolutely no scientific weight, but this has actually happened to me 3 times.
The first time it happened was the first time I ever used a psychedelic drug (mushrooms). At one point during the trip, I went to urinate. I whipped it out, and as I was staring at the patterns in the floor, I noticed that my penis was actually shrinking into my body. It was odd, but I let it continue for awhile. Once half my glans had disappeared (I did not have much body fat at the time, either) I decided I didn't want to see the end of this process, and pinched what was left between my fingers. After what seemed like a few minutes, (I know, I was tripping) It stopped pulling into me, and I was able to tug it out. I waited a little while to make sure it wasn't going to try that again, then pissed and left.
The second time it happened to me, I was really drunk and had narrowly avoided a serious beatdown. I ducked into the bathroom and it happened again.
The third time I was at a small town dive bar, and had just gotten high. Things started to just seem strange, in that way they sometimes do. Once again, went to the bathroom and I had to save my penis.
Now, one could say that I was either in a state of psychosis or panic for each of these instances, but they all definitely happened. That this might actually happen is appropriately dismissed by the scientific community, but how in the world would you repeat these conditions in the lab? Even if I had had a video camera handy, capturing the event for posterity wasn't the first thing on my mind. I still have no idea what would have happened if I hadn't resisted.
One could easily imagine states of anxiety and psychosis happening more often in more primitive areas, where belief in magic and witchcraft is common. I'm probably not the only one in the world this has ever happened to. I don't doubt that in the Sudan case mass hysteria was a factor, but something like this does actually occur in reality. 207.32.47.14 15:29, 9 December 2005 (UTC)yep
Under "Sudan", does the reference to supposed "Zionist" influence refer to Israel-related Zionism, as linked, or to the African Christian religion of that name? JackyR 20:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Genital retraction syndrome (GRS), generally considered a culture-specific syndrome, is a condition in which an individual is overcome with the belief that his/her external genitals—or also, in females, breasts—...
Erm, since when have breasts been "genitals"? Not that there can't be a similar, related female phenomenon, but surely it would fall under some other name? -- Lode Runner 08:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The DSM-IV discusses this stuff. Someone interested should probably cite the relevant section of it. Quux0r 05:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC) Yes, tits —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.26.110.65 ( talk) 02:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd shrink my penis too, if my name was combs. -- 71.230.142.176 22:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion the sudan section seems very fake because it is idiotic and there are mistakes such as spacing mistakes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.135.153 ( talk) 01:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
This is the most amusing thing I have ever read. Ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.26.110.93 ( talk) 04:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I find it disturbing that not only was the "penis-melting zionist robot combs" article deleted from Wikipedia: all reference to it has now been deleted from all Wikipedia articles, and now you can no longer find the original article by James Taranto anywhere. I'm no loony, but it really seems like a cover-up to me. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad ( talk) 21:09, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to propose a vote to change the article name to Genital Retraction Syndrome, as the current article title seems both unencyclopedic and rather suggestive. I thought that this had something to do with porn at first. Also, Koro may have some extra factors going into it, but as mentioned here, the other factors could be included or Koro could even have it's own article. Merechriolus ( talk) 19:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN2319603620080423?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&rpc=22&sp=true —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.232.106.75 ( talk) 05:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Penis Panic is mentioned in William S. Burroughs novel "Naked Lunch"
Zedd in Terry Goodkind's novel " Wizard's First Rule" scares an angry mob by pretending to magic away their penises. Occamsrazorwit ( talk) 08:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Alex Jones alleges soft drinks are shrinking penises 21 May 2022 https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1527470594173829120 Jaystephens ( talk) 08:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
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Re: Adding / Removing a sentence on Peyronie's Disease in the introduction of this article.
I added a clarification to the top of this page that Koro (a psychological condition) should not be confused with the biological condition with the same symptoms (early stage Peyronie’s Disease). I cited 2 sources, The Journal of Urology (peer reviewed) and the National Kidney and Urologic Diseases Information Clearinghouse (NKUDIC). Then, “OhNoItsJamie” immediately deleted this change and cited WP:SYNTH. He did not post on the talk page or clarify this any further. Deleting my sentence due to WP:SYNTH was not an accurate application of that guideline. So, I sent him a detailed explanation of why I made the change & why WP:SYNTH did not apply. He simply replied in 1 sentence that all information has to be sourced & reliable (apparently ignoring the fact I cited the leading journal in the field of urology the first time)... I suppose he saw me state that I have a MA and PhD and immediately assumed I was injecting my own personal experience. The reality is I AM using my perspective & knowledge of these topics to draw the information from the sources (peer reviewed journals) - and that is the point of wikipedia (multiple people coming together with different sets of knowledge). Some people are going to know more about topics than others, and having rules applied by people who are ignorant of the topics just makes the articles worse.
Therefore, I would like to keep my statement as it appears in the edit, which simply stated “This psychological condition should not be confused with Peyronie's Disease which is a urological condition in which the penis shrinks in size due to scar tissue.” I also added "Peyronie’s disease" to the “see also” section (which OhNoItsJamie also deleted for unknown reasons). So, I want to add that back as well. His complaint that I am not citing sources makes no sense, given that I cited 2 prominent sources. As far as talking about 1 disease in an article where another disease is mentioned goes (the WP:Synth complaint), that is not a violation of WP:SYNTH. Every disease that is related to another disease gets discussed on Wikipedia articles. And, I am only asking to add 1 very short (but important) sentence - not an entire section on Peyronie's disease. Additional information below Angelatomato ( talk) 02:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Here's a source that connects the two which is not written by me or "original research" as OhNoItsJamie seems to want to insist: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/48384062/strange-case-disappearing-penis. If you cannot access empirical journals (usually only through universities or libraries) to see this, google google "koro and peyronies disease" so you can see previews where they are mentioned without having access. This is a RARE condition so you will not see 1000s of sources, but here's one.
(yes, I know the support / oppose comments are totally loaded - but this is actually the reality of what you are voting on & why I find it so mind-boggling and frustrating that OhNoItsJamie insists on deleting that sentence)
Survey:
1 -- Support - There is no reason for this sentence not to be included. Sources are cited, it is not a violation of wp:synth - and this information is very important to understand these disorders which have an important connection. From reading Koro as it is now, it sounds like there couldn't possibly be a "real" biological disease like this - but there certainly is...and this needs to be made clear.
Ancillary0101 (
talk) 04:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Other things to note: With the sentence added, a male reader who is concerned about this issue happening to him would know that he should seek out the advice of a medical doctor rather than a psychologist (and a doctor reading this would not send his patients to me, a psychologist who treats sexual health issues...this is not meant as "original research" and I am not putting it in the article - and this is why...doctors are often lazy & uninformed and think unusual things are psychological problems). If it is a user concerned about his own condition, letting him believe he has a mental illness is particularly bad because Peyronie's disease is most treatable in the early stages (when penile shortening occurs)...and after that, it is very hard to reverse.
I found this, which I think resolves the problem. Please let me know. Thank you. Bernstein, R. L., & Gaw, A. C. (1990). Koro: Proposed classification for DSM-IV. American Journal of Psychiatry, 147, 1670–1674. An other thing just suggested to me by a user on my talk page would be to put it back in See Also, and I read the WP:SEEALSO guildelines & it complies. Angelatomato ( talk) 20:43, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok - here's an update. I have 3 sources as follows (sorry the formatting is a mess - i'll fix it - but my main question is below): Penile size and the ‘small penis syndrome’ Kevan R. Wylie* and Ian Eardley† Porterbrook Clinic, Sheffield Care Trust, Sheffield, *Urology, Royal Hallemshire Hospital, Sheffield, and †Urology, St James’s Hospital, Leeds, UK Accepted for publication 15 December 2006
Position Paper: Management of Men Complaining of a Small Penis Despite an Actually Normal Size Hussein Ghanem, MD,* Sidney Glina, MD,† Pierre Assalian, MD,‡ and Jacques Buvat, MD§ J Sex Med DOI: 10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02725.x April 2012
Koro—The Psychological Disappearance of the Penis SEXUAL MEDICINE HISTORY Johan J. Mattelaer, MD, FEBU,* and Wolfgang Jilek, MD, MSc, MA, FRCP(C)†
J Sex Med 2007;4:1509–1515
These are very long, somewhat complicated articles...and it will take a while to read through all of this & create a final product. There is no doubt anymore that the two issues are cited together, but there is a LOT more information in these 3 articles alone than there is in the current wikipedia article. I am not sure how to get the new content into the existing framework. Perhaps, the best thing to do would be to expand the section where I added the BDD reference (diagnosis) - because the focus of these articles (and my initial addition) is about differential diagnosis and examination... Also, the current wording in the "medicine" section of the article doesn't make sense. Why does it say "Medicine" and then "Genital examination reveals no actual instances of penis shrinkage or retraction. Any actual injury or damage that occurs to individuals usually arises from overly zealous attempts at preventing retraction." - that would be during examination...not treatment ("medicine" implies treatment). So, I'd have to rewrite more than I anticipated...which I am hesitant to do if it is all going to be reverted & bc it will take a lot of time (which i dont care about if it stays - but not if it is just deleted again). So, what are the guidelines on how much of the existing framework can be changed? It is clearly sloppy in the "medicine" section now, and I can easily fix it. Then, I think Diagnosis should be expanded into 2 subheads or 1 heading that reads "examination and differential diagnosis" (and I will add the main points of what is in the 3 articles that link everything together - including 2 other disorders i never heard of that are part of the differential diagnosis) and then the word "medicine" should be changed to the word "treatment" and the existing content about therapy should remain... I won't add anything there. Angelatomato ( talk) 21:21, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I have a MA and PhD in psychology (family, couple & sexuality focus) - and I have experience with patients who were "diagnosed" with this and sent to me. Virtually all of these men had early-onset peyronie's disease where the penis shrinks due to scar tissue (it shrinks before it curves - about a year in advance, when you can still treat it), but they are told it is a psychiatric condition and it was all in their head (and they missed a critical opportunity to treat it). One of them even brought in this wikipedia article to me! I tried to add a note about Peyronie's disease to this article due to this, but but "OhNoItsJamie" (an admin here) decided to remove my edit - and this person did not leave a note other than something about my edit being "wp:synth". The following is my reply to him & I would like to add the sentence back with your support. Thank you.
I noticed you removed my reference to Peyronie's disease (PD) in the Koro article. I have since read all about WP:Synth, and I think you need to reevaluate how much you know about these two topics before citing that guideline. The two topics are certainly related. By what I say next: please do not think I am not creating original research or advocating a position. I do have a MA and PhD (which have allowed me to deal with people who have this issue) - but that only means I have a different perspective than you, which is the entire point of wikipedia. I could not explain the entire perspective in the character limited box on the edit log of the page. Regarding the "synth" issue - here is the connection: Patients are sent to psychologists who "think" their penises are shrinking and that they have a "version of penis panic" by primary care physicians. These patients do not know what Peyronie's disease is - and neither do their doctors (it is very rare and hard to diagnose at first). I know this is sounding like "original research" here but there are simply no published papers on the number of medical practitioners who refer patients to psychologists who think their penises are shrinking. Sorry - there just are none and will never be any. There is not a published source for every clinical occurrence out there. Such an expectation is impossible. Thus, clinical experience prevails where empirical research does not exist in medical practice. Besides, I do not need a citation for the Synth at all (per the guidelines). My own experience with these 2 conditions & pure logic make the connection obvious. I still cited published sources that were relevant. I can't imagine why you would actually think it benefits any wikipedia user to delete my edit under the synth guideline (which is very flexible), either. It does not make the article more organized or clear, as the SYNTH guideline is intended to do. The issue here is that you lack the understanding of WHY these two disorders are significantly related from a clinical perspective...and I have that understanding. If you can't accept that - sorry - but if you have a PhD or MA in psych with a focus on sexual health issues (and I am not creating original research - just bringing another perspective!) then please let me know. Otherwise, you just need to accept when you are unaware of a topic. I didn't spend 5 years running on a hamster wheel of graduate school so I could see patients come into my office with a print out of the very wikipedia article that I tried to correct (which you apparently will not let me) who have Peyronie's Disease (and a lazy primary care physician) and not "Penis Panic" or a psych condition (thus missing the window to have any medical interventions early on). I won't edit anything now because I know you will just revert it again - but I await your reply. I am sure we can mutually agree on an edit that incorporates Peyronie's disease into that article even if you felt the original edit somehow violated the guidelines of wikipedia. Thanks. Angelatomato (talk) 23:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I will add back the edit in a week if nobody objects.
The vast majority of the literature talks about Koro solely related to the penis... but there is a little bit of discussion on women, though it is rare. So, I added a differential diagnosis section, but there was basically no literature on women that I could find. Everything was about men & urological issues. Sometimes, women are mentioned in a sentence - but then never again in the article. So, I added the heading "differential diagnosis and assessment males" - and then the "Exam" is for men. The exam for women is unknown - I couldn't find it published anywhere. I tried 2 headings before this - but I think this one is good. Still, if anyone has ideas for better headings and subheadings, please feel free to write them here. I changed the "medicine" section to "treatment" to be consistent w/ other medical articles. Also, there is no "medicine" - which sort of implies some kind of pharmaceutical...and none were mentioned in the Koro literature (though there are numerous drugs mentioned in the BDD literature). So, I just changed it to treatment with the subhead changed to therapy so it wasn't redundant. Again, if you have a better idea for this area - you can post here first or you can just edit it directly if you think it's logical. Thanks.
If you want to help with citation formats, I would appreciate it too. Angelatomato ( talk) 03:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Koro is currently mentioned just once, very briefly in the DSM 5. On page 264. It is under the category of "Other Specified Obsessive-Compulsive and Related Disorder" heading. The entire entry is as follows
"Koro: Related to dhat syndrome (see "Glossary of Cultural Concepts of Distress" in the Appendix), an episode of sudden and intense anxiety that the penis (or vulva and nipples in females) will recede into the body, possibly leading to death."
I think better verbiage might be "mentioned briefly in the DSM 5" To the layman, "Listed in the DSM" will engender the disorder with the same scientific weight as much more clearly researched and defined disorders, such as schizophrenia. This condition is rare and almost certainly an entirely cultural construst.
It is introduced as a culture-specific syndrome, and then in the next sentence the introduction talks about how it occurs worldwide. This is contradictory and confusing. Please revise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:4900:168:863A:4BFF:FE75:6EB4 ( talk) 06:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
chinese asian men have traditionally have had a very small penis size compared to other ethnicities ranging from 3-4 inches. Their society dealt with it by creating neuter men who would serve chinese emperors.
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Why is this article titled "penis panic"? It is more commonly referred to as "genital retraction syndrome" or "koro" in the literature. I realize people may more readily understand "penis panic", but it is a rather unscientific term. Saar42 22:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Right on, this is the funniest article i have ever read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.83.121.172 ( talk) 22:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I positively agree. The best parts here on the talk page have got be the monkey penis conversation directly below, the fellatio cure below that and the pharmaceutically enhanched victim below that. This talk page is the most hilarious thing I have yet read on Wikipedia.
Following paragraph is response by user 99.130.8.150: This "Penis Panic" Wiki-Tabloid article is obviously another sly design by depraved and lonely members of society (you know who!), and the weasel language totally smacks of anti-Asian (and anti-African) "intellectual" verbiage. The term "shuk-yang" or "suoyang" is a TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) term which means loss of "yang" male essence or vitality, often due to too much sexual activity and inadequate nutrition and rest, but it does not indicate the patient is "PENIS PANICKING", or otherwise freaking out. Take a look at this "Penis Panic" propaganda-article's available language versions (Česky, Deutsch, Francais, Nederlands, Polski and Suomi), and you'll understand the background of, and the readers that such an article is intended to make them feel better about themselves (lol). 24 September 2010 (UTC) 99.130.8.150,(UTC)
How can Koro be treated by "a course of alprazolam and imipramine"? The article seems to say that Koro refers to the retraction of the penis into the body, and that this is impossible. --[[User:be inclined to put it into the large category of symptoms resulting from somato-sensory affectional deprivation, that is, lack of physical affection in childhood, adolescence and adulthood. Our own modern society is full with the most bizarre sexual fetishes, and sex panics are perhaps little more than a more chaotic way to deal with similar neuropsychological manifestations.
Someone else, excellent work on Penis panic -- we're really getting somewhere on this subject. Keep up the hard work. Paul Klenk 02:17, 26 Oct 2003 (UTC)
William S. Burroughs mentions Koro breafly in his book Naked Lunch. Auric The Rad 17:58, Nov 26, 2003 (UTC)
Call me ignorant, but what's an electronic comb? Shaver, toothbrush, hair trimmer, yes but comb? Andy G 20:27, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Suggestion:
This actually seems to belong in the category of 'dysmorphism' disorders like obsessive body-builders who would would rather kill themselves with steroids than suffer the indignity of losing their muscle definition, or anorexics who will starve themselves to death thinking they are 'fat' all the while. The only major difference it seems is that it is 'sporadic' in a wide portion of the population instead of constant in a smaller portion (if the account on the existing page is reliable). Or is there also a small segment of the population who suffer this syndrome constantly? I bet there is... I think there need to be links to and from the pages on these disorders. Hmm, there is a page for Anorexia, but not one for Body Dismorphism Disorder yet. New page needed? :)
"Another common misconception is that the penis can be kept safely in a woman's mouth."
Can someone provide a source for that? Sounds too bizarre to be true. 18.246.0.79 10:41, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I don´t agree. It's not even a misconception. The penis can be kept safely in a woman's mouth. Or a man's for that matter! please refer to oral sex for more information. Stenbh 21:37, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I believe that sentence refers to teeth introducing a risk of possible penectomy. Rafał Pocztarski 04:07, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Unsourced for two months. I'm deleting it. It can go back if someone sources it properly. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:12, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
In fact I believe it's common for it to do quite the opposite. Boing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.181.88 ( talk) 02:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
a penis can be kept in any orifice long as there are no excessive fluids and it can also be kept safely in men's mouths
Is there any support for renaming/redirecting this page to Genital retraction syndrome (GRS), allowing it to become more general. Koro is not exclusively a penis panic, thus much of the article related more to GRS than to penis panics, as it is. ~ Dpr 07:06, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
First of all, I know there is a reference to the belief that Koro can be cured by oral sex in Joseph Cambell's Hero With a Thousand Faces.
Secondly, I know that an anonymous internet report carries absolutely no scientific weight, but this has actually happened to me 3 times.
The first time it happened was the first time I ever used a psychedelic drug (mushrooms). At one point during the trip, I went to urinate. I whipped it out, and as I was staring at the patterns in the floor, I noticed that my penis was actually shrinking into my body. It was odd, but I let it continue for awhile. Once half my glans had disappeared (I did not have much body fat at the time, either) I decided I didn't want to see the end of this process, and pinched what was left between my fingers. After what seemed like a few minutes, (I know, I was tripping) It stopped pulling into me, and I was able to tug it out. I waited a little while to make sure it wasn't going to try that again, then pissed and left.
The second time it happened to me, I was really drunk and had narrowly avoided a serious beatdown. I ducked into the bathroom and it happened again.
The third time I was at a small town dive bar, and had just gotten high. Things started to just seem strange, in that way they sometimes do. Once again, went to the bathroom and I had to save my penis.
Now, one could say that I was either in a state of psychosis or panic for each of these instances, but they all definitely happened. That this might actually happen is appropriately dismissed by the scientific community, but how in the world would you repeat these conditions in the lab? Even if I had had a video camera handy, capturing the event for posterity wasn't the first thing on my mind. I still have no idea what would have happened if I hadn't resisted.
One could easily imagine states of anxiety and psychosis happening more often in more primitive areas, where belief in magic and witchcraft is common. I'm probably not the only one in the world this has ever happened to. I don't doubt that in the Sudan case mass hysteria was a factor, but something like this does actually occur in reality. 207.32.47.14 15:29, 9 December 2005 (UTC)yep
Under "Sudan", does the reference to supposed "Zionist" influence refer to Israel-related Zionism, as linked, or to the African Christian religion of that name? JackyR 20:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Genital retraction syndrome (GRS), generally considered a culture-specific syndrome, is a condition in which an individual is overcome with the belief that his/her external genitals—or also, in females, breasts—...
Erm, since when have breasts been "genitals"? Not that there can't be a similar, related female phenomenon, but surely it would fall under some other name? -- Lode Runner 08:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The DSM-IV discusses this stuff. Someone interested should probably cite the relevant section of it. Quux0r 05:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC) Yes, tits —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.26.110.65 ( talk) 02:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd shrink my penis too, if my name was combs. -- 71.230.142.176 22:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion the sudan section seems very fake because it is idiotic and there are mistakes such as spacing mistakes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.135.153 ( talk) 01:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
This is the most amusing thing I have ever read. Ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.26.110.93 ( talk) 04:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I find it disturbing that not only was the "penis-melting zionist robot combs" article deleted from Wikipedia: all reference to it has now been deleted from all Wikipedia articles, and now you can no longer find the original article by James Taranto anywhere. I'm no loony, but it really seems like a cover-up to me. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad ( talk) 21:09, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to propose a vote to change the article name to Genital Retraction Syndrome, as the current article title seems both unencyclopedic and rather suggestive. I thought that this had something to do with porn at first. Also, Koro may have some extra factors going into it, but as mentioned here, the other factors could be included or Koro could even have it's own article. Merechriolus ( talk) 19:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN2319603620080423?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&rpc=22&sp=true —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.232.106.75 ( talk) 05:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Penis Panic is mentioned in William S. Burroughs novel "Naked Lunch"
Zedd in Terry Goodkind's novel " Wizard's First Rule" scares an angry mob by pretending to magic away their penises. Occamsrazorwit ( talk) 08:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Alex Jones alleges soft drinks are shrinking penises 21 May 2022 https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1527470594173829120 Jaystephens ( talk) 08:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
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Re: Adding / Removing a sentence on Peyronie's Disease in the introduction of this article.
I added a clarification to the top of this page that Koro (a psychological condition) should not be confused with the biological condition with the same symptoms (early stage Peyronie’s Disease). I cited 2 sources, The Journal of Urology (peer reviewed) and the National Kidney and Urologic Diseases Information Clearinghouse (NKUDIC). Then, “OhNoItsJamie” immediately deleted this change and cited WP:SYNTH. He did not post on the talk page or clarify this any further. Deleting my sentence due to WP:SYNTH was not an accurate application of that guideline. So, I sent him a detailed explanation of why I made the change & why WP:SYNTH did not apply. He simply replied in 1 sentence that all information has to be sourced & reliable (apparently ignoring the fact I cited the leading journal in the field of urology the first time)... I suppose he saw me state that I have a MA and PhD and immediately assumed I was injecting my own personal experience. The reality is I AM using my perspective & knowledge of these topics to draw the information from the sources (peer reviewed journals) - and that is the point of wikipedia (multiple people coming together with different sets of knowledge). Some people are going to know more about topics than others, and having rules applied by people who are ignorant of the topics just makes the articles worse.
Therefore, I would like to keep my statement as it appears in the edit, which simply stated “This psychological condition should not be confused with Peyronie's Disease which is a urological condition in which the penis shrinks in size due to scar tissue.” I also added "Peyronie’s disease" to the “see also” section (which OhNoItsJamie also deleted for unknown reasons). So, I want to add that back as well. His complaint that I am not citing sources makes no sense, given that I cited 2 prominent sources. As far as talking about 1 disease in an article where another disease is mentioned goes (the WP:Synth complaint), that is not a violation of WP:SYNTH. Every disease that is related to another disease gets discussed on Wikipedia articles. And, I am only asking to add 1 very short (but important) sentence - not an entire section on Peyronie's disease. Additional information below Angelatomato ( talk) 02:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Here's a source that connects the two which is not written by me or "original research" as OhNoItsJamie seems to want to insist: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/48384062/strange-case-disappearing-penis. If you cannot access empirical journals (usually only through universities or libraries) to see this, google google "koro and peyronies disease" so you can see previews where they are mentioned without having access. This is a RARE condition so you will not see 1000s of sources, but here's one.
(yes, I know the support / oppose comments are totally loaded - but this is actually the reality of what you are voting on & why I find it so mind-boggling and frustrating that OhNoItsJamie insists on deleting that sentence)
Survey:
1 -- Support - There is no reason for this sentence not to be included. Sources are cited, it is not a violation of wp:synth - and this information is very important to understand these disorders which have an important connection. From reading Koro as it is now, it sounds like there couldn't possibly be a "real" biological disease like this - but there certainly is...and this needs to be made clear.
Ancillary0101 (
talk) 04:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Other things to note: With the sentence added, a male reader who is concerned about this issue happening to him would know that he should seek out the advice of a medical doctor rather than a psychologist (and a doctor reading this would not send his patients to me, a psychologist who treats sexual health issues...this is not meant as "original research" and I am not putting it in the article - and this is why...doctors are often lazy & uninformed and think unusual things are psychological problems). If it is a user concerned about his own condition, letting him believe he has a mental illness is particularly bad because Peyronie's disease is most treatable in the early stages (when penile shortening occurs)...and after that, it is very hard to reverse.
I found this, which I think resolves the problem. Please let me know. Thank you. Bernstein, R. L., & Gaw, A. C. (1990). Koro: Proposed classification for DSM-IV. American Journal of Psychiatry, 147, 1670–1674. An other thing just suggested to me by a user on my talk page would be to put it back in See Also, and I read the WP:SEEALSO guildelines & it complies. Angelatomato ( talk) 20:43, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok - here's an update. I have 3 sources as follows (sorry the formatting is a mess - i'll fix it - but my main question is below): Penile size and the ‘small penis syndrome’ Kevan R. Wylie* and Ian Eardley† Porterbrook Clinic, Sheffield Care Trust, Sheffield, *Urology, Royal Hallemshire Hospital, Sheffield, and †Urology, St James’s Hospital, Leeds, UK Accepted for publication 15 December 2006
Position Paper: Management of Men Complaining of a Small Penis Despite an Actually Normal Size Hussein Ghanem, MD,* Sidney Glina, MD,† Pierre Assalian, MD,‡ and Jacques Buvat, MD§ J Sex Med DOI: 10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02725.x April 2012
Koro—The Psychological Disappearance of the Penis SEXUAL MEDICINE HISTORY Johan J. Mattelaer, MD, FEBU,* and Wolfgang Jilek, MD, MSc, MA, FRCP(C)†
J Sex Med 2007;4:1509–1515
These are very long, somewhat complicated articles...and it will take a while to read through all of this & create a final product. There is no doubt anymore that the two issues are cited together, but there is a LOT more information in these 3 articles alone than there is in the current wikipedia article. I am not sure how to get the new content into the existing framework. Perhaps, the best thing to do would be to expand the section where I added the BDD reference (diagnosis) - because the focus of these articles (and my initial addition) is about differential diagnosis and examination... Also, the current wording in the "medicine" section of the article doesn't make sense. Why does it say "Medicine" and then "Genital examination reveals no actual instances of penis shrinkage or retraction. Any actual injury or damage that occurs to individuals usually arises from overly zealous attempts at preventing retraction." - that would be during examination...not treatment ("medicine" implies treatment). So, I'd have to rewrite more than I anticipated...which I am hesitant to do if it is all going to be reverted & bc it will take a lot of time (which i dont care about if it stays - but not if it is just deleted again). So, what are the guidelines on how much of the existing framework can be changed? It is clearly sloppy in the "medicine" section now, and I can easily fix it. Then, I think Diagnosis should be expanded into 2 subheads or 1 heading that reads "examination and differential diagnosis" (and I will add the main points of what is in the 3 articles that link everything together - including 2 other disorders i never heard of that are part of the differential diagnosis) and then the word "medicine" should be changed to the word "treatment" and the existing content about therapy should remain... I won't add anything there. Angelatomato ( talk) 21:21, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I have a MA and PhD in psychology (family, couple & sexuality focus) - and I have experience with patients who were "diagnosed" with this and sent to me. Virtually all of these men had early-onset peyronie's disease where the penis shrinks due to scar tissue (it shrinks before it curves - about a year in advance, when you can still treat it), but they are told it is a psychiatric condition and it was all in their head (and they missed a critical opportunity to treat it). One of them even brought in this wikipedia article to me! I tried to add a note about Peyronie's disease to this article due to this, but but "OhNoItsJamie" (an admin here) decided to remove my edit - and this person did not leave a note other than something about my edit being "wp:synth". The following is my reply to him & I would like to add the sentence back with your support. Thank you.
I noticed you removed my reference to Peyronie's disease (PD) in the Koro article. I have since read all about WP:Synth, and I think you need to reevaluate how much you know about these two topics before citing that guideline. The two topics are certainly related. By what I say next: please do not think I am not creating original research or advocating a position. I do have a MA and PhD (which have allowed me to deal with people who have this issue) - but that only means I have a different perspective than you, which is the entire point of wikipedia. I could not explain the entire perspective in the character limited box on the edit log of the page. Regarding the "synth" issue - here is the connection: Patients are sent to psychologists who "think" their penises are shrinking and that they have a "version of penis panic" by primary care physicians. These patients do not know what Peyronie's disease is - and neither do their doctors (it is very rare and hard to diagnose at first). I know this is sounding like "original research" here but there are simply no published papers on the number of medical practitioners who refer patients to psychologists who think their penises are shrinking. Sorry - there just are none and will never be any. There is not a published source for every clinical occurrence out there. Such an expectation is impossible. Thus, clinical experience prevails where empirical research does not exist in medical practice. Besides, I do not need a citation for the Synth at all (per the guidelines). My own experience with these 2 conditions & pure logic make the connection obvious. I still cited published sources that were relevant. I can't imagine why you would actually think it benefits any wikipedia user to delete my edit under the synth guideline (which is very flexible), either. It does not make the article more organized or clear, as the SYNTH guideline is intended to do. The issue here is that you lack the understanding of WHY these two disorders are significantly related from a clinical perspective...and I have that understanding. If you can't accept that - sorry - but if you have a PhD or MA in psych with a focus on sexual health issues (and I am not creating original research - just bringing another perspective!) then please let me know. Otherwise, you just need to accept when you are unaware of a topic. I didn't spend 5 years running on a hamster wheel of graduate school so I could see patients come into my office with a print out of the very wikipedia article that I tried to correct (which you apparently will not let me) who have Peyronie's Disease (and a lazy primary care physician) and not "Penis Panic" or a psych condition (thus missing the window to have any medical interventions early on). I won't edit anything now because I know you will just revert it again - but I await your reply. I am sure we can mutually agree on an edit that incorporates Peyronie's disease into that article even if you felt the original edit somehow violated the guidelines of wikipedia. Thanks. Angelatomato (talk) 23:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I will add back the edit in a week if nobody objects.
The vast majority of the literature talks about Koro solely related to the penis... but there is a little bit of discussion on women, though it is rare. So, I added a differential diagnosis section, but there was basically no literature on women that I could find. Everything was about men & urological issues. Sometimes, women are mentioned in a sentence - but then never again in the article. So, I added the heading "differential diagnosis and assessment males" - and then the "Exam" is for men. The exam for women is unknown - I couldn't find it published anywhere. I tried 2 headings before this - but I think this one is good. Still, if anyone has ideas for better headings and subheadings, please feel free to write them here. I changed the "medicine" section to "treatment" to be consistent w/ other medical articles. Also, there is no "medicine" - which sort of implies some kind of pharmaceutical...and none were mentioned in the Koro literature (though there are numerous drugs mentioned in the BDD literature). So, I just changed it to treatment with the subhead changed to therapy so it wasn't redundant. Again, if you have a better idea for this area - you can post here first or you can just edit it directly if you think it's logical. Thanks.
If you want to help with citation formats, I would appreciate it too. Angelatomato ( talk) 03:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Koro is currently mentioned just once, very briefly in the DSM 5. On page 264. It is under the category of "Other Specified Obsessive-Compulsive and Related Disorder" heading. The entire entry is as follows
"Koro: Related to dhat syndrome (see "Glossary of Cultural Concepts of Distress" in the Appendix), an episode of sudden and intense anxiety that the penis (or vulva and nipples in females) will recede into the body, possibly leading to death."
I think better verbiage might be "mentioned briefly in the DSM 5" To the layman, "Listed in the DSM" will engender the disorder with the same scientific weight as much more clearly researched and defined disorders, such as schizophrenia. This condition is rare and almost certainly an entirely cultural construst.
It is introduced as a culture-specific syndrome, and then in the next sentence the introduction talks about how it occurs worldwide. This is contradictory and confusing. Please revise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:4900:168:863A:4BFF:FE75:6EB4 ( talk) 06:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
chinese asian men have traditionally have had a very small penis size compared to other ethnicities ranging from 3-4 inches. Their society dealt with it by creating neuter men who would serve chinese emperors.
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