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Was General Drum's widow's first name "Mark", as you say?

Come on! The gravestone photo has name and dates of birth and death, as well as military affiliation. That seems like a valid reference to me...

Billmckern ( talk) 17:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

I don't think you looked at what I did with the edit, or what you accomplished by reverting it.

I removed the completely extraneous and inappropriate link to findagrave.com, while adding a noting that the reference is unreliable. I did not change the reference in any way. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:42, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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There are serious problems with his date of rank listing. Regular Army is the peacetime army. It's size is limited by law. National Army was a separate army set up for the duration of World War I, so it's ranks can be considered temporary, only for the duration of the war.

An officer can hold a permanent rank in the Regular Army, and a temporary rank in the National Army at the same time. But this chart says his permanent rank was bouncing up and down and this obviously is some sort of an error. You only go upwards. The temporary rank can go away, and you revert to your permanent rank, but that permanent rank only goes up, never down.

They would kick you out rather than demote you unless you were imprisoned due to a serious crime (resulting in a court martial) which he was not, so that chart needs to be investigated and fixed. Jimindc ( talk) 20:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Jimindc: There's nothing wrong with the dates of rank. Regular Army ranks were permanent. World War I ranks in the National Army, just like World War II ranks in the Army of the United States, were temporary. It was more typical for temporary promotions to be terminated after World War I, but some were also terminated after World War II.

Lesley McNair was a temporary brigadier general during WWI, then reverted to permanent major. George Marshall went from temporary colonel to permanent captain. Dwight Eisenhower went from temporary lieutenant colonel to permanent captain. George Patton went from temporary colonel to permanent captain. Billmckern ( talk) 20:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC) reply