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I see the dietary veganism link links directly to veganism & I wonder about this being placed right at the top. Before I even start looking for references, it is my opinion that fruitarianism has entirely separate roots from veganism, & is devoid of any animal rights/welfare element and that, historically, it was entirely a health thing perhaps with Biblical roots (e.g. the whole back to eden or fake Essene thing) or at least spiritual roots, e.g. the idea of prana.
Was there once a dietary vegan page? -- Danny Mamby ( talk) 08:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Danny Mamby can you explain why you are removing the "fad diet" wording and category? This is obviously a POV because we have many reliable sources describing fruitarianism as a fad diet. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 11:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Firstly, the reference does not say it is a fad diet (see update according to what it does say). Secondly, "fad" is not a scientific or academic valid term. It is obviously just a culturally bound NPOV slur in itself.
However, the reference given defines fad as “a scheme of eating that enjoys temporary and sometimes enthusiastic popularity. Usually created by one person or the product of a religious movement, these diets are meant to improve the practitioners’ health, vitality, and appearance" which raises two further problems with it. How long is a "temporary and sometimes enthusiastic popularity"?
Please allow me to state that I do not follow a fruitarian diet, so I am going to rebuff any accusation that I am being "POV", I just believe in a fair & objective representation which ramming "fad" at the top of an article does not allow.
The given source does not have a chapter on fruitarians, and so I suspect you are engaging in some original research or synthesis here (it does have a section on rawfoodism, but that is a difference topic). It does however mention it is practise is over 100 years ago and, indeed, we know from other sources that it goes way back in antiquity 1,000s of years, arguably until it was one of hominids' primary or seasonal diets. So how long does it take until something is not a fad?
Then, if you do a search on what it refers to as "fads" (that were once fads but became part of the mainstream), you'd have to be tagging half the food articles on the Wikipedia; Irish coffee, chipped beef, chaffing dish, terrapins, juice bars, chop sued, wine coolers, peanut butter etc.
Lastly, it's little more than just a cultural prejudice on two levels. Racial, e.g. eating sausages and bacon for breakfast might be "normal" where you live but to an Indian they would be a fad, and professional, e.g. on behalf of orthodox western medicine or nutrition, therefore we need to weigh up the various references and navigate a neutral path between them. -- Danny Mamby ( talk) 12:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I've tried to clean up some of the content, and I think there are far more important improvements to be making than arguing over a single NPOV word. One element that I have seen and is missing is the adoption of drying, freeze drying, or sun cooking by some fruitarians. I don't know if it is the same as with raw fooders who permit cooking up to a specific temperature.
Does anyone care to find any references to it. -- Danny Mamby ( talk) 12:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
A fruitarain diet consists primarily of fruits, but leafy greens such as lettuce and celery are quite important in the diet for minerals, proteins and certain vitamins. Aviyaht ( talk) 13:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Zhanna Samsonova may have died because of her fruitarian diet. The official cause of death is not yet public, but I'll leave this as a note so someone can check back later. CarlFromVienna ( talk) 05:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 21:54, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I see the dietary veganism link links directly to veganism & I wonder about this being placed right at the top. Before I even start looking for references, it is my opinion that fruitarianism has entirely separate roots from veganism, & is devoid of any animal rights/welfare element and that, historically, it was entirely a health thing perhaps with Biblical roots (e.g. the whole back to eden or fake Essene thing) or at least spiritual roots, e.g. the idea of prana.
Was there once a dietary vegan page? -- Danny Mamby ( talk) 08:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Danny Mamby can you explain why you are removing the "fad diet" wording and category? This is obviously a POV because we have many reliable sources describing fruitarianism as a fad diet. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 11:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Firstly, the reference does not say it is a fad diet (see update according to what it does say). Secondly, "fad" is not a scientific or academic valid term. It is obviously just a culturally bound NPOV slur in itself.
However, the reference given defines fad as “a scheme of eating that enjoys temporary and sometimes enthusiastic popularity. Usually created by one person or the product of a religious movement, these diets are meant to improve the practitioners’ health, vitality, and appearance" which raises two further problems with it. How long is a "temporary and sometimes enthusiastic popularity"?
Please allow me to state that I do not follow a fruitarian diet, so I am going to rebuff any accusation that I am being "POV", I just believe in a fair & objective representation which ramming "fad" at the top of an article does not allow.
The given source does not have a chapter on fruitarians, and so I suspect you are engaging in some original research or synthesis here (it does have a section on rawfoodism, but that is a difference topic). It does however mention it is practise is over 100 years ago and, indeed, we know from other sources that it goes way back in antiquity 1,000s of years, arguably until it was one of hominids' primary or seasonal diets. So how long does it take until something is not a fad?
Then, if you do a search on what it refers to as "fads" (that were once fads but became part of the mainstream), you'd have to be tagging half the food articles on the Wikipedia; Irish coffee, chipped beef, chaffing dish, terrapins, juice bars, chop sued, wine coolers, peanut butter etc.
Lastly, it's little more than just a cultural prejudice on two levels. Racial, e.g. eating sausages and bacon for breakfast might be "normal" where you live but to an Indian they would be a fad, and professional, e.g. on behalf of orthodox western medicine or nutrition, therefore we need to weigh up the various references and navigate a neutral path between them. -- Danny Mamby ( talk) 12:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I've tried to clean up some of the content, and I think there are far more important improvements to be making than arguing over a single NPOV word. One element that I have seen and is missing is the adoption of drying, freeze drying, or sun cooking by some fruitarians. I don't know if it is the same as with raw fooders who permit cooking up to a specific temperature.
Does anyone care to find any references to it. -- Danny Mamby ( talk) 12:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
A fruitarain diet consists primarily of fruits, but leafy greens such as lettuce and celery are quite important in the diet for minerals, proteins and certain vitamins. Aviyaht ( talk) 13:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Zhanna Samsonova may have died because of her fruitarian diet. The official cause of death is not yet public, but I'll leave this as a note so someone can check back later. CarlFromVienna ( talk) 05:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)