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Why does Mandela Effect redirect to this page? Or, more to the point, why isn't the effect explained anywhere in the article? The words "Mandela Effect" do not appear anywhere on it, so anyone following a link that mentions the Mandela Effect will be left completely uninformed. ReySquared Ⓣ Ⓒ 09:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree! I came to Wikipedia to search about the Mandela Effect, and it directs me to this page. Because one of Wikipedia's 5 pillars is "Encyclopedia," I would think the Mandela Effect would have a page or at least a section on this page describing what it is. Although controversial, it would be informative to explain what the theory is. Robynrunkel ( talk) 22:47, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Wrong! There is a smaller article inside this page. I came to wikipedia about the Mandela Effect, and with some research skills, I found the article interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.66.176.171 ( talk) 05:36, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
So basically we have to wait for the media to stop lying about the Mandela effect before we can improve this article. That is a major flaw with wikipedia. The media is well known now for lying and they will continue lying about the Mandela effect for who knows how long. Arnold1 ( talk) 12:22, 28 May 2017 (UTC) Arnold1 ( talk) 12:22, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
With all the press coverage this (bogus) theory received, I lean on giving it its own article. If Bottle flipping can have one, come on! In any case, I made a slight re-org that may suffice. RobP ( talk) 22:30, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
I concur that Mandela Effect is a significant enough cultural phenomenon to be worth its own article now. Quite a bit has been published on it since the original WP article was deleted. We'll just have to be careful with sources. Note that currently this article (ie the False Memory article) includes in its lede a statement that Mandela Effect is another name for False Memory, but that's not quite correct: Mandela Effect is a specific subset of the False Memory phenomenon. Ordinary Person ( talk) 14:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
The Mandela Effect as a cultural phenomenon is larger than the "false memories" and should be separate. The Mandela Effect goes beyond simply what people call the Mandela Effect into theories about multiple universes. The X-Files had an entire episode devoted to this. Not to mention a movie called the Mandela Effect that gets its own page. It is ridiculous and embarrassing at this point that the redirect brings you to this morsel of information. C'mon people. 2601:182:4381:E60:711F:F7BF:E057:907E ( talk) 02:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I added Citation Needed to this section, but I'd also like to call attention to this sentence, " In February 1997 Jennifer Gerrietts, Argus Leader, South Dakota Maxine Berry, sued her therapists and clinic that treated her from 1992-1995 and, she says, made her falsely believe she had been sexually and physically abused as a child when no such abuse ever occurred." What is that part starting with "Jennifer" and ending with "Dakota"? Is that a poorly-entered attempt at a citation? IAmNitpicking ( talk) 11:51, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
With this sentence, WP says in its own voice that the people in question are real trauma victims, and their memories are not false memories. Thus, WP embraces fringe ideas.
Also, "often" is WP:WEASEL. There has to be a better way to say this. I think the earlier version, before the IP's changes [3] was such a better way. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 05:55, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Has any reliable work talked about how some of these supposedly false memories are real...but not in the way people think? For example, in the promotional material Forrest Gump does indeed say "Life is like a box of chocolates" but says "Life was like a box of chocolates" in the actual movie. Then there are articles that use the wrong name (Fruit Loops rather then Froot Loops) (Cereal (continued from page 1) Herald-Journal - Mar 8, 1995 pg 6).-- 2606:A000:131D:6018:C0AC:AE57:F028:993D ( talk) 16:15, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Consider discussing the imagination inflation effect and linking it to the imagination inflation article. Imagination inflation is an effect that has been proven to produce false memories. Ritapsych250 ( talk) 22:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC) ritapsych250
@ JasonAQuest: Is there an actual reason for your revert? Why do you prefer "Commonly held false memories" over "Mandela effect", under which the phenomenon is commonly known and from which there is a redirect? — MarkH21 talk 02:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Collective false memories?, 2 years ago). The other discussions are that a few editors think it should be mentioned somewhere in the article, one or two think that it shouldn't be mentioned at all (
Mandela Effect, 3 years ago), and a follow-up between two of those editors on the same mention-or-not discussion (
How common is the "Mandela Effect", 2 years ago).The
Collective false memories?discussion doesn't demonstrate any consensus for using "Common false memories" as a section title, any consensus against using "Mandela effect" as the section title, nor any consensus for anything else except adding research and changing redirects after a title change. In fact, the only discussion about the actual section title is that one editor prefers using "Collective" and one editor prefers not using "Collective". — MarkH21 talk 23:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
The first sentence in this section reads "The false memory phenomenon was initially investigated by psychological pioneers Pierre Janet and Sigmund Freud.", but lacks any detail as to how Janet and Freud impacted or investigated false memory. Any insight or information as to the role these two played in false memory would be useful. Luk3lam ( talk) 01:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
The original article was written around 2009. It says that false memory syndrome is not included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders but refers to it without citation or date. As the DSM is revised from time to time, I think someone should determine what version was the source of the OP's information. If the following suggestion wouldn't be considered original research, I suggest someone check the latest edition to verify whether the claim holds true in 2022.
Cwilsyn Cwilsyn (talk) 03:30, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I have just CTRL-F for "false memory" and "false memories" in the latest (DSM-5) and it is not mentioned once. Memory confabulations and errors are probably mentioned in places, but not the false memory syndrome phrase. Academicskeptic9 ( talk) 08:32, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Rebecca Watson
hits the nail on the head again:
Hey, remember when Nelson Mandela died? In 2013? 23 years after he was released from prison? Or maybe you, like “paranormal researcher” Fiona Broome, distinctly remember Nelson Mandela dying while still IN prison, and maybe instead of simply assuming you’re an idiot who just didn’t pay attention to extremely important events in world history that directly impact millions of marginalized people on another continent, you think that this must actually be evidence that you are from an alternate universe where that DID happen, and now you’ve been thrust into this new dimension where everything is pretty much the same except that one thing.
Anyway, she links this preprint: [5]. Not useable for Wikipedia yet but I thought I'd share it. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 08:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 20 January 2023 and 15 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Jojo274, Zoejones107 ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Jojo274 ( talk) 17:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
The article as of 27 June 2023 says, "Another notable case is Maxine Berry. Maxine grew up in the custody of her mother, who opposed the father having contact with her (Berry & Berry, 2001)." Why is that one reference (?) in the format of an inline reference in a scholarly paper, instead of a Wikipedia-style link? What does it actually refer to? There is no reference in the article's References by anyone named "Berry". Maybe it's a book that the original editor forgot to properly link to? IAmNitpicking ( talk) 10:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
should we make a separate article on the Mandela effect 88.110.61.147 ( talk) 11:33, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
I editted the page more neutral according to the explanation Fiona Broom gives on her own Blog about what the Mandela effect is.
I didn't diminish false memory in the text. I just made it more neutral because the text does rely on Fiona Broom as a source, but now her own blog is not accepted as reliable source. How more reliable could someting be if it's from the person who came up with it herself?
I don't know what to do anymore to make this page more acurate.
In addition to the previous topic. I also said actually the mandela effect should have it's own page where the explanation of Fiona is used as reference, then with examples of it and to DIFFRENT explanations of the effect including false memory with a reference to the false memory page.
Then the False Memory page could just reference the Mandela Effect within the false memory explanation but with a link to more about it, in stead of putting it here. Sterredag ( talk) 11:26, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Specific false memories can sometimes be shared by a large group of people. This phenomenon was dubbed the "Mandela effect" by paranormal researcher Fiona Broome
Specific false memories can sometimes be shared by a large group of people. Some people see this as the explanation of the phenomenon that was dubbed the "Mandela effect" by paranormal researcher Fiona Broome
Paranormal consultant Fiona Broome coined the term “Mandela effect” to explain this collective misremembering) misunderstood Broome's initial statement on the effect? Or that she has changed her stance on the Mandela Effect since then, and has clarified this in her blog?
Likewise, false memories of Mandela's deathbecomes
Likewise, memories of Mandela's death, and
92% of respondents falsely remembered the clock had remained stopped since the bombingto
92% of respondents stated to remember the clock had remained stopped since the bombing. In both cases the sentence is clearer with the objective fact that these memories were false. This is an article about false memory. Belbury ( talk) 14:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
I propose the creation of a new page about the Mandela Effect. That is, collective/general, commonly held false memories. I know an article covering this topic was deleted back in 2015, but now, in 2024, there are a number of RS mentioning the theory, including the following:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/world/mandela-effect-collective-false-memory-scn/index.html
https://www.today.com/life/mandela-effect-examples-rcna81130
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/22/alternate-realities-and-trump-mandala-effect-and-what-cern-does.html
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/16/585854233/the-mandela-effect
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08gnl5l
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a38349974/mandela-effect/
https://qz.com/emails/quartz-obsession/1769667/the-mandela-effect
Loltardo (
talk) 04:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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Why does Mandela Effect redirect to this page? Or, more to the point, why isn't the effect explained anywhere in the article? The words "Mandela Effect" do not appear anywhere on it, so anyone following a link that mentions the Mandela Effect will be left completely uninformed. ReySquared Ⓣ Ⓒ 09:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree! I came to Wikipedia to search about the Mandela Effect, and it directs me to this page. Because one of Wikipedia's 5 pillars is "Encyclopedia," I would think the Mandela Effect would have a page or at least a section on this page describing what it is. Although controversial, it would be informative to explain what the theory is. Robynrunkel ( talk) 22:47, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Wrong! There is a smaller article inside this page. I came to wikipedia about the Mandela Effect, and with some research skills, I found the article interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.66.176.171 ( talk) 05:36, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
So basically we have to wait for the media to stop lying about the Mandela effect before we can improve this article. That is a major flaw with wikipedia. The media is well known now for lying and they will continue lying about the Mandela effect for who knows how long. Arnold1 ( talk) 12:22, 28 May 2017 (UTC) Arnold1 ( talk) 12:22, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
With all the press coverage this (bogus) theory received, I lean on giving it its own article. If Bottle flipping can have one, come on! In any case, I made a slight re-org that may suffice. RobP ( talk) 22:30, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
I concur that Mandela Effect is a significant enough cultural phenomenon to be worth its own article now. Quite a bit has been published on it since the original WP article was deleted. We'll just have to be careful with sources. Note that currently this article (ie the False Memory article) includes in its lede a statement that Mandela Effect is another name for False Memory, but that's not quite correct: Mandela Effect is a specific subset of the False Memory phenomenon. Ordinary Person ( talk) 14:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
The Mandela Effect as a cultural phenomenon is larger than the "false memories" and should be separate. The Mandela Effect goes beyond simply what people call the Mandela Effect into theories about multiple universes. The X-Files had an entire episode devoted to this. Not to mention a movie called the Mandela Effect that gets its own page. It is ridiculous and embarrassing at this point that the redirect brings you to this morsel of information. C'mon people. 2601:182:4381:E60:711F:F7BF:E057:907E ( talk) 02:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I added Citation Needed to this section, but I'd also like to call attention to this sentence, " In February 1997 Jennifer Gerrietts, Argus Leader, South Dakota Maxine Berry, sued her therapists and clinic that treated her from 1992-1995 and, she says, made her falsely believe she had been sexually and physically abused as a child when no such abuse ever occurred." What is that part starting with "Jennifer" and ending with "Dakota"? Is that a poorly-entered attempt at a citation? IAmNitpicking ( talk) 11:51, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
With this sentence, WP says in its own voice that the people in question are real trauma victims, and their memories are not false memories. Thus, WP embraces fringe ideas.
Also, "often" is WP:WEASEL. There has to be a better way to say this. I think the earlier version, before the IP's changes [3] was such a better way. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 05:55, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Has any reliable work talked about how some of these supposedly false memories are real...but not in the way people think? For example, in the promotional material Forrest Gump does indeed say "Life is like a box of chocolates" but says "Life was like a box of chocolates" in the actual movie. Then there are articles that use the wrong name (Fruit Loops rather then Froot Loops) (Cereal (continued from page 1) Herald-Journal - Mar 8, 1995 pg 6).-- 2606:A000:131D:6018:C0AC:AE57:F028:993D ( talk) 16:15, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Consider discussing the imagination inflation effect and linking it to the imagination inflation article. Imagination inflation is an effect that has been proven to produce false memories. Ritapsych250 ( talk) 22:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC) ritapsych250
@ JasonAQuest: Is there an actual reason for your revert? Why do you prefer "Commonly held false memories" over "Mandela effect", under which the phenomenon is commonly known and from which there is a redirect? — MarkH21 talk 02:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Collective false memories?, 2 years ago). The other discussions are that a few editors think it should be mentioned somewhere in the article, one or two think that it shouldn't be mentioned at all (
Mandela Effect, 3 years ago), and a follow-up between two of those editors on the same mention-or-not discussion (
How common is the "Mandela Effect", 2 years ago).The
Collective false memories?discussion doesn't demonstrate any consensus for using "Common false memories" as a section title, any consensus against using "Mandela effect" as the section title, nor any consensus for anything else except adding research and changing redirects after a title change. In fact, the only discussion about the actual section title is that one editor prefers using "Collective" and one editor prefers not using "Collective". — MarkH21 talk 23:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
The first sentence in this section reads "The false memory phenomenon was initially investigated by psychological pioneers Pierre Janet and Sigmund Freud.", but lacks any detail as to how Janet and Freud impacted or investigated false memory. Any insight or information as to the role these two played in false memory would be useful. Luk3lam ( talk) 01:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
The original article was written around 2009. It says that false memory syndrome is not included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders but refers to it without citation or date. As the DSM is revised from time to time, I think someone should determine what version was the source of the OP's information. If the following suggestion wouldn't be considered original research, I suggest someone check the latest edition to verify whether the claim holds true in 2022.
Cwilsyn Cwilsyn (talk) 03:30, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I have just CTRL-F for "false memory" and "false memories" in the latest (DSM-5) and it is not mentioned once. Memory confabulations and errors are probably mentioned in places, but not the false memory syndrome phrase. Academicskeptic9 ( talk) 08:32, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Rebecca Watson
hits the nail on the head again:
Hey, remember when Nelson Mandela died? In 2013? 23 years after he was released from prison? Or maybe you, like “paranormal researcher” Fiona Broome, distinctly remember Nelson Mandela dying while still IN prison, and maybe instead of simply assuming you’re an idiot who just didn’t pay attention to extremely important events in world history that directly impact millions of marginalized people on another continent, you think that this must actually be evidence that you are from an alternate universe where that DID happen, and now you’ve been thrust into this new dimension where everything is pretty much the same except that one thing.
Anyway, she links this preprint: [5]. Not useable for Wikipedia yet but I thought I'd share it. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 08:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 20 January 2023 and 15 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Jojo274, Zoejones107 ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Jojo274 ( talk) 17:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
The article as of 27 June 2023 says, "Another notable case is Maxine Berry. Maxine grew up in the custody of her mother, who opposed the father having contact with her (Berry & Berry, 2001)." Why is that one reference (?) in the format of an inline reference in a scholarly paper, instead of a Wikipedia-style link? What does it actually refer to? There is no reference in the article's References by anyone named "Berry". Maybe it's a book that the original editor forgot to properly link to? IAmNitpicking ( talk) 10:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
should we make a separate article on the Mandela effect 88.110.61.147 ( talk) 11:33, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
I editted the page more neutral according to the explanation Fiona Broom gives on her own Blog about what the Mandela effect is.
I didn't diminish false memory in the text. I just made it more neutral because the text does rely on Fiona Broom as a source, but now her own blog is not accepted as reliable source. How more reliable could someting be if it's from the person who came up with it herself?
I don't know what to do anymore to make this page more acurate.
In addition to the previous topic. I also said actually the mandela effect should have it's own page where the explanation of Fiona is used as reference, then with examples of it and to DIFFRENT explanations of the effect including false memory with a reference to the false memory page.
Then the False Memory page could just reference the Mandela Effect within the false memory explanation but with a link to more about it, in stead of putting it here. Sterredag ( talk) 11:26, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Specific false memories can sometimes be shared by a large group of people. This phenomenon was dubbed the "Mandela effect" by paranormal researcher Fiona Broome
Specific false memories can sometimes be shared by a large group of people. Some people see this as the explanation of the phenomenon that was dubbed the "Mandela effect" by paranormal researcher Fiona Broome
Paranormal consultant Fiona Broome coined the term “Mandela effect” to explain this collective misremembering) misunderstood Broome's initial statement on the effect? Or that she has changed her stance on the Mandela Effect since then, and has clarified this in her blog?
Likewise, false memories of Mandela's deathbecomes
Likewise, memories of Mandela's death, and
92% of respondents falsely remembered the clock had remained stopped since the bombingto
92% of respondents stated to remember the clock had remained stopped since the bombing. In both cases the sentence is clearer with the objective fact that these memories were false. This is an article about false memory. Belbury ( talk) 14:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
I propose the creation of a new page about the Mandela Effect. That is, collective/general, commonly held false memories. I know an article covering this topic was deleted back in 2015, but now, in 2024, there are a number of RS mentioning the theory, including the following:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/world/mandela-effect-collective-false-memory-scn/index.html
https://www.today.com/life/mandela-effect-examples-rcna81130
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/22/alternate-realities-and-trump-mandala-effect-and-what-cern-does.html
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/16/585854233/the-mandela-effect
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08gnl5l
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a38349974/mandela-effect/
https://qz.com/emails/quartz-obsession/1769667/the-mandela-effect
Loltardo (
talk) 04:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)