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I removed the paragraph below the section citing the CCR study and article. I have no idea why a line regarding being unable to find the CCR study on their website would belong in the article, nor would someone's (uncredited?) off-the-cuff calculation of what the cancer rate should be, be in there either.
If there's credible evidence the CCR study didn't exist or reached some other conclusion than the WashPo story, that should be cited and added to the article, not what was there. 66.195.102.82 ( talk) 22:04, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
" Since the movies release, the 'factual' data cited in the movie have been called into question."
How? Show me who is saying this. How has it been "called into question"? WhisperToMe 20:32, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The prior criticisms of Brockovich in the article were based on some highly questionable work by Michael Fumento, a nonscientist with a partisan agenda. I have revised the article to provide more information and to avoid reliance on Fumento's work. John M Baker 17:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The characterization of Fumento's work as 'questionable' is entirely your opinion. The article as it stands after your edit does not clearly indicate that there is controversy over Brokovitch's claims - which there most surely is.
Was Erin really Miss Wichita? Or was that just artistic license? Tom e r talk 22:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I deleted a part of one sentence that said she entered a lot of lucrative beauty pagents. I looked at her bio on her website and she only entered one, the Pacific Coast pagent, and she won. Mylittlezach ( talk) 18:37, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Isn't the correct name of the case Anderson v Pacific Gas & Electric, Anderson being the lead plaintiff? -- ukexpat 12:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I believe to include this report is a violation of Wikipedia's policies prohibiting Original Research and writing in a non-neutral Point of View.
Ok, I think this page needs some work. Most questionable part is listing her whole family. Is there some point to that? And I think the biography section should lay the foundation for the coverage in the legal arena. Now it just seems the focus is on the case, not the person. FrozenPurpleCube 04:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I just received an invite from a facebook group calling for the organization of a draft campaign for Erin Brockovich to run for Governor of California in 2010. I was thinking perhaps we could add on a reference to the draft campaign to the article. Here is the link to the group:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=49490441370 Liberal92 ( talk) 03:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't really have time to deal with this, so I'll put it here. Historically, most of the attention on this article has been on the value of Brockovich's work, with some naysayers asserting that Hinkley residents weren't really in much danger anyway from the Chromium(VI) in the groundwater (they usually call it Chromium-6). Over time, the discussion of this issue became the most heavily researched and focused portion of the article. Recently, two editors have chosen to delete it. Here is the material; for now, at least, I'll leave it to others to decide if some or all of it should go in the article. I'm not sure why there's a "Citation needed" tag, since there used to be a cite for that point; it apparently got deleted somewhere along the way. John M Baker ( talk) 23:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Chromium(VI) is known to be toxic and carcinogenic, [1] and the 0.58 ppm in the groundwater in Hinkley exceeded the Maximum Contaminant Level of 0.10 ppm currently set by the United States Environmental Protection Agency. [2] However, while it has long been known that chromium(VI) is carcinogenic when ingested via inhalation, drinking water laced with chromium(VI) is widely believed to be less toxic; some experts argue that the exposures at Hinkley were too low to cause health effects, while others respond that there were too many gaps in the data on chromium to dismiss the Hinkley residents' case. [3] When Harvard's School of Public Health gave Brockovich an award in 2005, scientists were divided on the merits of her work. citation needed National Institutes of Health researchers announced May 16, 2007 there is strong evidence that hexavalent chromium causes cancer in laboratory animals when it is consumed in drinking water. The two-year study conducted by the National Toxicology Program (NTP) [4] shows that animals given hexavalent chromium for three months developed malignant tumors on their pituitary gland. [5] The report warns that extrapolation of these results to other species, including characterization of hazards and risks to humans, requires analyses beyond the intent of the report. Nevertheless, health care professionals agree that the current data on chromium(VI) are sufficient to justify strict legal limits on the hexavalent chromium concentration in water, and that neglect of these limits imposes a major health threat on the affected population.
I don't know how I could POSSIBLY be the first one to notice this, but under her photo, it says that her birthdate is November 19, 1960 , whereas in the article itself, at the very beginning, it actually says "Erin Brockovich, born June 22, 1960". This should be corrected right away, as this particular kind of error defeats the exact purpose of an encyclopedia. It's one thing to have a conflict related to POV guidelines, but this is a black and white issue. She can only have one birthday. Sorry, I'm just a little incredulous. Of course, since I am not the boss of the world, I will not just do something arbitrary...so, please... comment away... 70.49.105.165 ( talk) 05:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC) ( 70.49.105.165 ( talk) 05:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC))
"Average chromium(VI) levels in Hinkley were recorded as 1.19 ppb with a peak of 3.09 ppb. The PG&E Topock Compressor Station averaged 7.8 ppb and peaks at 31.8 ppb based on the PG&E Background Study. Compare to the California proposed health goal of 0.06 ppb."
One thing people should consider with this statement is what the groundwater levels of the plume were at the site. Although the background levels may be above the California health goal (meaning PG&E should only have to clean up to the background level instead of the California health goal) more than likely the plume levels were much higher. We see this on many contaminated sites, that metals have high background levels, higher than safe drinking water levels (especially in the western United States). Just because water comes from the ground does not mean it's safe to drink even though there has never been site contamination. Looking at a plume map from February 2011 (EPA Website) they still have many wells that have values much higher than 50 micrograms per liter (ug/L), more than 12 times the highest background level and some values greater than 2,000 ug/L. So, although a doctor has said the cancer rates are lower than expected and the background levels are higher than what is recommended, it does not mean that the plume is "safe", just something to keep in mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masvd7 ( talk • contribs) 04:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
So we've got this whole section entitled "Pacific Gas and Electric litigation", in an article entitled Erin Brockovich, but the section does not so much as hint at the nature of Brockovich's involvement; rather, the section talks about the technical details of the case and includes unnecessary argumentation about cancer rates in Hinkley and comparative rates of contamination in other places. The section also draws upon primary sources and makes conclusions about the data therein, which I believe is original research.
Shouldn't the article and the section dwell primarily on Brockovich and her involvement? Shouldn't the section at least hint on why there's any reason for it to be included in the article? -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 16:42, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Was Masry's law firm? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.230.25.50 ( talk • contribs) 10:55, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Adding the section on Brockovich's June 2013 arrest for intoxication seems petty and off-topic for this article. It's tantamount to someone getting cited for having a burned-out tail light on their car. She isn't known for being a lush, and if she hadn't already been famous for something else, it probably wouldn't even have made the news. Although I don't know much about Brockovich other than what I've read here at Wikipedia and a few news articles, it seems to me that adding the section smacks of vindictiveness and pushes the limits on Wikipedia's BLP policies. I suggest the section should be deleted. — Quicksilver T @ 03:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
To whom it may concern: How are Hitler and parking tickets relevant to a discussion of Erin Brockovich's DUI?
I've removed the brief mention that was reintroduced. Seems to be a POV, BLP, and NOT vio, especially in light of the comments above. --
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Perhaps this,belongs in the film more than the BLP, but the subject did acknolwedged dressing in such a fashion that was quite out of place for her profession. Enough so that she gets asked the question all the time. I'd like to find a tasteful,and sourced way to to add this. Two kinds of pork ( talk) 08:37, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
The article reads "Brockovich's attorneys received 133.6 million dollars of that settlement, and Brockovich herself received a bonus of two million dollars. However, Brockovich's attorneys held onto the money more than six months, then, after several threats for lawsuits, they finally paid out.[8]" Somebody please edit if necessary to clarify if 1) "Brockovich's attorneys" are lawyers she hired to represent her, or 2) this is the law firm she clerked for. Casey ( talk) 15:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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As I have previously disclosed, I have a prior existing and long standing professional conflict with Erin but I do have volumes or secondary sources for controversies she’s been involved in. I am going to slowly start adding this to this section.
I do have a concern that (Redacted) appear to be haunting this article and preventing things from being included.
More later 2Famous2UseMyName ( talk) 02:34, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Is it really appropriate to cite an MJ article that cites a CPI critique to counter the claims of an epidemiologist working for the California Cancer Registry? The CPI is a noted progressive-leaning organization and so there is a real possibility of ideological biases affecting the reliability of this source on this particular subject. Jonathan f1 ( talk) 21:54, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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I removed the paragraph below the section citing the CCR study and article. I have no idea why a line regarding being unable to find the CCR study on their website would belong in the article, nor would someone's (uncredited?) off-the-cuff calculation of what the cancer rate should be, be in there either.
If there's credible evidence the CCR study didn't exist or reached some other conclusion than the WashPo story, that should be cited and added to the article, not what was there. 66.195.102.82 ( talk) 22:04, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
" Since the movies release, the 'factual' data cited in the movie have been called into question."
How? Show me who is saying this. How has it been "called into question"? WhisperToMe 20:32, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The prior criticisms of Brockovich in the article were based on some highly questionable work by Michael Fumento, a nonscientist with a partisan agenda. I have revised the article to provide more information and to avoid reliance on Fumento's work. John M Baker 17:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The characterization of Fumento's work as 'questionable' is entirely your opinion. The article as it stands after your edit does not clearly indicate that there is controversy over Brokovitch's claims - which there most surely is.
Was Erin really Miss Wichita? Or was that just artistic license? Tom e r talk 22:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I deleted a part of one sentence that said she entered a lot of lucrative beauty pagents. I looked at her bio on her website and she only entered one, the Pacific Coast pagent, and she won. Mylittlezach ( talk) 18:37, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Isn't the correct name of the case Anderson v Pacific Gas & Electric, Anderson being the lead plaintiff? -- ukexpat 12:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I believe to include this report is a violation of Wikipedia's policies prohibiting Original Research and writing in a non-neutral Point of View.
Ok, I think this page needs some work. Most questionable part is listing her whole family. Is there some point to that? And I think the biography section should lay the foundation for the coverage in the legal arena. Now it just seems the focus is on the case, not the person. FrozenPurpleCube 04:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I just received an invite from a facebook group calling for the organization of a draft campaign for Erin Brockovich to run for Governor of California in 2010. I was thinking perhaps we could add on a reference to the draft campaign to the article. Here is the link to the group:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=49490441370 Liberal92 ( talk) 03:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't really have time to deal with this, so I'll put it here. Historically, most of the attention on this article has been on the value of Brockovich's work, with some naysayers asserting that Hinkley residents weren't really in much danger anyway from the Chromium(VI) in the groundwater (they usually call it Chromium-6). Over time, the discussion of this issue became the most heavily researched and focused portion of the article. Recently, two editors have chosen to delete it. Here is the material; for now, at least, I'll leave it to others to decide if some or all of it should go in the article. I'm not sure why there's a "Citation needed" tag, since there used to be a cite for that point; it apparently got deleted somewhere along the way. John M Baker ( talk) 23:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Chromium(VI) is known to be toxic and carcinogenic, [1] and the 0.58 ppm in the groundwater in Hinkley exceeded the Maximum Contaminant Level of 0.10 ppm currently set by the United States Environmental Protection Agency. [2] However, while it has long been known that chromium(VI) is carcinogenic when ingested via inhalation, drinking water laced with chromium(VI) is widely believed to be less toxic; some experts argue that the exposures at Hinkley were too low to cause health effects, while others respond that there were too many gaps in the data on chromium to dismiss the Hinkley residents' case. [3] When Harvard's School of Public Health gave Brockovich an award in 2005, scientists were divided on the merits of her work. citation needed National Institutes of Health researchers announced May 16, 2007 there is strong evidence that hexavalent chromium causes cancer in laboratory animals when it is consumed in drinking water. The two-year study conducted by the National Toxicology Program (NTP) [4] shows that animals given hexavalent chromium for three months developed malignant tumors on their pituitary gland. [5] The report warns that extrapolation of these results to other species, including characterization of hazards and risks to humans, requires analyses beyond the intent of the report. Nevertheless, health care professionals agree that the current data on chromium(VI) are sufficient to justify strict legal limits on the hexavalent chromium concentration in water, and that neglect of these limits imposes a major health threat on the affected population.
I don't know how I could POSSIBLY be the first one to notice this, but under her photo, it says that her birthdate is November 19, 1960 , whereas in the article itself, at the very beginning, it actually says "Erin Brockovich, born June 22, 1960". This should be corrected right away, as this particular kind of error defeats the exact purpose of an encyclopedia. It's one thing to have a conflict related to POV guidelines, but this is a black and white issue. She can only have one birthday. Sorry, I'm just a little incredulous. Of course, since I am not the boss of the world, I will not just do something arbitrary...so, please... comment away... 70.49.105.165 ( talk) 05:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC) ( 70.49.105.165 ( talk) 05:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC))
"Average chromium(VI) levels in Hinkley were recorded as 1.19 ppb with a peak of 3.09 ppb. The PG&E Topock Compressor Station averaged 7.8 ppb and peaks at 31.8 ppb based on the PG&E Background Study. Compare to the California proposed health goal of 0.06 ppb."
One thing people should consider with this statement is what the groundwater levels of the plume were at the site. Although the background levels may be above the California health goal (meaning PG&E should only have to clean up to the background level instead of the California health goal) more than likely the plume levels were much higher. We see this on many contaminated sites, that metals have high background levels, higher than safe drinking water levels (especially in the western United States). Just because water comes from the ground does not mean it's safe to drink even though there has never been site contamination. Looking at a plume map from February 2011 (EPA Website) they still have many wells that have values much higher than 50 micrograms per liter (ug/L), more than 12 times the highest background level and some values greater than 2,000 ug/L. So, although a doctor has said the cancer rates are lower than expected and the background levels are higher than what is recommended, it does not mean that the plume is "safe", just something to keep in mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masvd7 ( talk • contribs) 04:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
So we've got this whole section entitled "Pacific Gas and Electric litigation", in an article entitled Erin Brockovich, but the section does not so much as hint at the nature of Brockovich's involvement; rather, the section talks about the technical details of the case and includes unnecessary argumentation about cancer rates in Hinkley and comparative rates of contamination in other places. The section also draws upon primary sources and makes conclusions about the data therein, which I believe is original research.
Shouldn't the article and the section dwell primarily on Brockovich and her involvement? Shouldn't the section at least hint on why there's any reason for it to be included in the article? -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 16:42, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Was Masry's law firm? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.230.25.50 ( talk • contribs) 10:55, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Adding the section on Brockovich's June 2013 arrest for intoxication seems petty and off-topic for this article. It's tantamount to someone getting cited for having a burned-out tail light on their car. She isn't known for being a lush, and if she hadn't already been famous for something else, it probably wouldn't even have made the news. Although I don't know much about Brockovich other than what I've read here at Wikipedia and a few news articles, it seems to me that adding the section smacks of vindictiveness and pushes the limits on Wikipedia's BLP policies. I suggest the section should be deleted. — Quicksilver T @ 03:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
To whom it may concern: How are Hitler and parking tickets relevant to a discussion of Erin Brockovich's DUI?
I've removed the brief mention that was reintroduced. Seems to be a POV, BLP, and NOT vio, especially in light of the comments above. --
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Perhaps this,belongs in the film more than the BLP, but the subject did acknolwedged dressing in such a fashion that was quite out of place for her profession. Enough so that she gets asked the question all the time. I'd like to find a tasteful,and sourced way to to add this. Two kinds of pork ( talk) 08:37, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
The article reads "Brockovich's attorneys received 133.6 million dollars of that settlement, and Brockovich herself received a bonus of two million dollars. However, Brockovich's attorneys held onto the money more than six months, then, after several threats for lawsuits, they finally paid out.[8]" Somebody please edit if necessary to clarify if 1) "Brockovich's attorneys" are lawyers she hired to represent her, or 2) this is the law firm she clerked for. Casey ( talk) 15:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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As I have previously disclosed, I have a prior existing and long standing professional conflict with Erin but I do have volumes or secondary sources for controversies she’s been involved in. I am going to slowly start adding this to this section.
I do have a concern that (Redacted) appear to be haunting this article and preventing things from being included.
More later 2Famous2UseMyName ( talk) 02:34, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Is it really appropriate to cite an MJ article that cites a CPI critique to counter the claims of an epidemiologist working for the California Cancer Registry? The CPI is a noted progressive-leaning organization and so there is a real possibility of ideological biases affecting the reliability of this source on this particular subject. Jonathan f1 ( talk) 21:54, 18 June 2022 (UTC)