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The first paragraph does not do a good job of conveying the phenomenon to someone completely unfamiliar with the concept. Minor edits could be made to fix the readability and conveyance.
What if it's semivoluntary? What's the cause? lysdexia 21:22, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
What about echoing one's own words? What is that called? I used to do that as a child: I would quietly repeat a sentence I myself had just uttered, about 1 second later. I never knew why I did it, it was simply compelling. I stopped about when I was 13 or 14. Kasreyn
People say that, if they listen carefully, they will hear me whisper, to myself, what I have spoken immediately earlier. One opinion regarding this singular subject stated that it was done for better memory, and had to do with my somewhat pronounced ability to discuss things logically. Ñ
Echolalia is painted in a negative light in this wiki document.
Some positive examples of echolalia-similar behaviors should be added or linked.
pronounced echolalia is considered dysfunctional by neurology standards. The ability for a mature individual to exhibit or use echolalia may not necessarily indicate a disorder. It is used sometimes for dramatic effect, to insert a pause into conversation, often as a technique for learning new languages, mastering the exact pronunciation and inflection of pop culture memes, possibly more uses. [1] Some positive examples of echolalia-similar behaviors should be added or linked.
A reference to autismspeaks was removed. Please do not make references to media produced by organizations that exist soley to broaden definitions and maximize their potential supporter base. "Autism Speaks" is offensive to autistic individuals and does not, in fact, speak for us or to us. 2001:470:7C:108:6173:AFB5:422B:8727 ( talk) 07:48, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
"Because it can involve the recitation of entire scripts, delayed echolalia is often thought to denote evidence of near-genius intellect."
Huh? Recitation of major portions of a feature film script isn't any harder than recitation of one's part when performing on stage. Heck, I used to be able to recite Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Memorizing your lines doesn't take a genius; it just takes dedication. Or is dedication itself considered a pathology? -- Damian Yerrick 03:10, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
Well, the line itself is a bit superfluous, but being able to recite an entire script without conscious effort, after hearing it only once is quite a bit more difficult than memorizing a script through repeated viewings or rehearsals.
"The researchers have determined..." Uhm, which researchers exactly? I suspect this may have been copied (and edited) from elsewhere where it referred to people mentioned earlier. Maybe it should just say "Researchers", but then the reader still doesn't know which researchers the article is referring too. This should be fixed. (See Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words) Retodon8 14:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Does echolalia manifest itself as a parrot's mimic of the actual SOUND of the words in question or merely a recitation of the words themselves, in the speaker's own voice? Or both? 24.165.210.213 07:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
What's the difference between say, repeating a song that is stuck in one's head? For example, several times I've heard a song only once only to have to suddenly realise halfway in the day it was still playing, with a real urge to express it. Is the difference perhaps, is that I have the social control not to express the sentiment in public? John Riemann Soong 11:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
When someone is talking to me I mouth what they are saying, is this a type of mild Echolalia?
89.241.4.55 ( talk) 19:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
The first part is wrong, and the second part explains why the first part is wrong, but the entire section is unsourced and not written in encyclopedic tone, so I removed the whole thing until someone can fix it, based on a reliable source.
haha that guy who wrote unsigned is a dummy i clearly wrote my name in the paragraph and my name is my signature on a computer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.180.127 ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 28 January 2007
Immediate echolalia appears to tap into the person's short-term memory for auditory input. This is defined as the repetition of a word or phrase just spoken by another person. Knowing the person very well would appear to be the key to understanding their specific intentions. For example; staff: "Johnny, say hello to your mom." Johnny: "Hello to your mom."
That example was not really echolalia. It is just an example of Johnny being silly and taking the command literally. True echolalia is if someone says "Wow, look at that pretty robin redbreast" and then the next person says "pretty robin redbreast" as soon as the first person finishes talking. He is not trying to be silly, rather he has a psychological condition which makes it mentally pleasurable for him to repeat the phrase "pretty robin redbreast" as soon as he hears someone else say it at that particular time. This is echolalia.
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"Echolalia is the repetition or echoing of verbal utterances made by another person. "
N1ugl 04:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
"Some autistic people and people with Asperger syndrome may use repetition as a method of allowing themselves more time to process language." - this may be very true, but is there a source for that? 80.171.71.40 ( talk) 18:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Amongst the most eminent of sufferers was Victor Babes, a 19th-century bacteriologist who gained academic recognition through his work on Babesiosis. Upon his return from Paris where he worked with Pasteur, Babes had developed a 'tic', now termed 'echolalia', for his own surname. It was recorded in the memoirs of his brother that his marriage suffered terribly, due to his wifes misconception that 'Babes, babes, babes, etc' was in fact self-aggrandisement.
I've removed the section above from the article to talk; see WP:MEDMOS. The section name ("Noteworthy sufferers") would need to be changed, the text is uncited and POV, and I'm not sure this meets MEDMOS crit. for inclusion. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 12:25, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
'and λαλιά (laliá) meaning "babbling, meaningless talk"'
This line seems incorrect, or at the least inconsistent with the palilalia article's definition of lalia as "to talk". Even the citation given in this article for the definition does not match what is written, but instead matches the correct definition given in the palilalia article mentioned above. The citation given in this article should also probably be used in place of the original citation used in the palilalia article because it no longer appears to give any kind of definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.51.43.47 ( talk • contribs) 02:28, August 27, 2012
Everything I checked in this reverted edit was either not in the source listed, too closely paraphrased, or an example where previous citations were removed. Please discuss. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:43, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
The use of the word "causes" is wrong, and "encourages" is misrepresenting the source. I can't find where the "first year" is mentioned in the source, possibly original research-- there is mention of the toddler phase in the source, which at any rate is not a reliable source for this kind of information.Immediate echolalia causes the immediate repetition of a word or phrase. This is encouraged during the first year as it demonstrates that a child can hear, retain, and physically produce speech.
Note that the source says, "In my experience as a parent ... " ... not the way we source definition on Wikipedia. There are subtle inaccuracies and grammatical issues in this text as well. Anecdotes from one parent do not medical definitions make.Self-stimulatory behavior is an action in which the speaker is repeating the phrase for the purpose of satisfying themselves. Communicating the mood is used when a phrase elicits a mood for the speaker and then then use that phrase to communicate that feeling. Day in review is when the speaker repeats phrases from the day in order to communicate what happened.
7. This text, added by User:Kcvaught was deleted because it contains HOWTO information not appropriate for an encyclopedia, and is based on an old source which is contradicted by newer secondary reviews. It was re-added by User:Ahowerton93. If these five newly registered accounts are students editing for a course, would they please consult WP:MEAT? If not, please explain your edits here on talk (and please use edit summaries). SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Since 2013-09-15, five new editors, talk page messages to all of them, yet not a single article talk response from any. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
If a course has been working on this article, the issues have recurred over several terms. There are good sources available, that meet Wikipedia's sourcing standards for medical conditions and statements. Here is a list of reviews much more recent than the sources being used (and I am additionally troubled by the focus on autism with Tourette syndrome overlooked):
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Generally, treatment for echolalia focuses on decreases the prevalence of the disorder in individuals. Through the use of verbal stimuli, teaching imitation, and reinforcement, clinicians attempt to encourage a "generalized verbal response." [1] In Foxx's (2004) study in particular, the researchers used the "cue-pause-point" procedure to eventually help individuals use environmental cues to respond to verbal stimuli.
Regarding this edit, no, I don't understand what it is saying. Automatic is the terminology in the sources, vocalizations and sounds are redundant, and the grammar here is confusing ... SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 13:47, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, User:Slp1! My concern about the Treatment section is not only the excess "how to" detail on one intervention and based on one very old source (1987!), but the lack of context. The secondary reviews I have been able to access indicate that echolalia sometimes has communicative intent, and eliminating it is not always desirable. Treatment info should ideally be up to date, based on good sources, and with context provided.
I have been unable to get any response from any of the editors working on this page in the last month, so unless someone can provide some context soon ... SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
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I thin this behaviour is similar in animals. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 16:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
The final paragraph in this section appears to be a random anecdote that doesn't really add anything to the section overall. I think it should be deleted or moved to another section. Thoughts? LemonTeacher8675309 ( talk) 04:13, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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The first paragraph does not do a good job of conveying the phenomenon to someone completely unfamiliar with the concept. Minor edits could be made to fix the readability and conveyance.
What if it's semivoluntary? What's the cause? lysdexia 21:22, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
What about echoing one's own words? What is that called? I used to do that as a child: I would quietly repeat a sentence I myself had just uttered, about 1 second later. I never knew why I did it, it was simply compelling. I stopped about when I was 13 or 14. Kasreyn
People say that, if they listen carefully, they will hear me whisper, to myself, what I have spoken immediately earlier. One opinion regarding this singular subject stated that it was done for better memory, and had to do with my somewhat pronounced ability to discuss things logically. Ñ
Echolalia is painted in a negative light in this wiki document.
Some positive examples of echolalia-similar behaviors should be added or linked.
pronounced echolalia is considered dysfunctional by neurology standards. The ability for a mature individual to exhibit or use echolalia may not necessarily indicate a disorder. It is used sometimes for dramatic effect, to insert a pause into conversation, often as a technique for learning new languages, mastering the exact pronunciation and inflection of pop culture memes, possibly more uses. [1] Some positive examples of echolalia-similar behaviors should be added or linked.
A reference to autismspeaks was removed. Please do not make references to media produced by organizations that exist soley to broaden definitions and maximize their potential supporter base. "Autism Speaks" is offensive to autistic individuals and does not, in fact, speak for us or to us. 2001:470:7C:108:6173:AFB5:422B:8727 ( talk) 07:48, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
"Because it can involve the recitation of entire scripts, delayed echolalia is often thought to denote evidence of near-genius intellect."
Huh? Recitation of major portions of a feature film script isn't any harder than recitation of one's part when performing on stage. Heck, I used to be able to recite Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Memorizing your lines doesn't take a genius; it just takes dedication. Or is dedication itself considered a pathology? -- Damian Yerrick 03:10, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
Well, the line itself is a bit superfluous, but being able to recite an entire script without conscious effort, after hearing it only once is quite a bit more difficult than memorizing a script through repeated viewings or rehearsals.
"The researchers have determined..." Uhm, which researchers exactly? I suspect this may have been copied (and edited) from elsewhere where it referred to people mentioned earlier. Maybe it should just say "Researchers", but then the reader still doesn't know which researchers the article is referring too. This should be fixed. (See Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words) Retodon8 14:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Does echolalia manifest itself as a parrot's mimic of the actual SOUND of the words in question or merely a recitation of the words themselves, in the speaker's own voice? Or both? 24.165.210.213 07:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
What's the difference between say, repeating a song that is stuck in one's head? For example, several times I've heard a song only once only to have to suddenly realise halfway in the day it was still playing, with a real urge to express it. Is the difference perhaps, is that I have the social control not to express the sentiment in public? John Riemann Soong 11:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
When someone is talking to me I mouth what they are saying, is this a type of mild Echolalia?
89.241.4.55 ( talk) 19:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
The first part is wrong, and the second part explains why the first part is wrong, but the entire section is unsourced and not written in encyclopedic tone, so I removed the whole thing until someone can fix it, based on a reliable source.
haha that guy who wrote unsigned is a dummy i clearly wrote my name in the paragraph and my name is my signature on a computer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.180.127 ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 28 January 2007
Immediate echolalia appears to tap into the person's short-term memory for auditory input. This is defined as the repetition of a word or phrase just spoken by another person. Knowing the person very well would appear to be the key to understanding their specific intentions. For example; staff: "Johnny, say hello to your mom." Johnny: "Hello to your mom."
That example was not really echolalia. It is just an example of Johnny being silly and taking the command literally. True echolalia is if someone says "Wow, look at that pretty robin redbreast" and then the next person says "pretty robin redbreast" as soon as the first person finishes talking. He is not trying to be silly, rather he has a psychological condition which makes it mentally pleasurable for him to repeat the phrase "pretty robin redbreast" as soon as he hears someone else say it at that particular time. This is echolalia.
The first sentence is taken directly from the cited
source ...
"Echolalia is the repetition or echoing of verbal utterances made by another person. "
N1ugl 04:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
"Some autistic people and people with Asperger syndrome may use repetition as a method of allowing themselves more time to process language." - this may be very true, but is there a source for that? 80.171.71.40 ( talk) 18:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Amongst the most eminent of sufferers was Victor Babes, a 19th-century bacteriologist who gained academic recognition through his work on Babesiosis. Upon his return from Paris where he worked with Pasteur, Babes had developed a 'tic', now termed 'echolalia', for his own surname. It was recorded in the memoirs of his brother that his marriage suffered terribly, due to his wifes misconception that 'Babes, babes, babes, etc' was in fact self-aggrandisement.
I've removed the section above from the article to talk; see WP:MEDMOS. The section name ("Noteworthy sufferers") would need to be changed, the text is uncited and POV, and I'm not sure this meets MEDMOS crit. for inclusion. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 12:25, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
'and λαλιά (laliá) meaning "babbling, meaningless talk"'
This line seems incorrect, or at the least inconsistent with the palilalia article's definition of lalia as "to talk". Even the citation given in this article for the definition does not match what is written, but instead matches the correct definition given in the palilalia article mentioned above. The citation given in this article should also probably be used in place of the original citation used in the palilalia article because it no longer appears to give any kind of definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.51.43.47 ( talk • contribs) 02:28, August 27, 2012
Everything I checked in this reverted edit was either not in the source listed, too closely paraphrased, or an example where previous citations were removed. Please discuss. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:43, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
The use of the word "causes" is wrong, and "encourages" is misrepresenting the source. I can't find where the "first year" is mentioned in the source, possibly original research-- there is mention of the toddler phase in the source, which at any rate is not a reliable source for this kind of information.Immediate echolalia causes the immediate repetition of a word or phrase. This is encouraged during the first year as it demonstrates that a child can hear, retain, and physically produce speech.
Note that the source says, "In my experience as a parent ... " ... not the way we source definition on Wikipedia. There are subtle inaccuracies and grammatical issues in this text as well. Anecdotes from one parent do not medical definitions make.Self-stimulatory behavior is an action in which the speaker is repeating the phrase for the purpose of satisfying themselves. Communicating the mood is used when a phrase elicits a mood for the speaker and then then use that phrase to communicate that feeling. Day in review is when the speaker repeats phrases from the day in order to communicate what happened.
7. This text, added by User:Kcvaught was deleted because it contains HOWTO information not appropriate for an encyclopedia, and is based on an old source which is contradicted by newer secondary reviews. It was re-added by User:Ahowerton93. If these five newly registered accounts are students editing for a course, would they please consult WP:MEAT? If not, please explain your edits here on talk (and please use edit summaries). SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Since 2013-09-15, five new editors, talk page messages to all of them, yet not a single article talk response from any. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
If a course has been working on this article, the issues have recurred over several terms. There are good sources available, that meet Wikipedia's sourcing standards for medical conditions and statements. Here is a list of reviews much more recent than the sources being used (and I am additionally troubled by the focus on autism with Tourette syndrome overlooked):
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Generally, treatment for echolalia focuses on decreases the prevalence of the disorder in individuals. Through the use of verbal stimuli, teaching imitation, and reinforcement, clinicians attempt to encourage a "generalized verbal response." [1] In Foxx's (2004) study in particular, the researchers used the "cue-pause-point" procedure to eventually help individuals use environmental cues to respond to verbal stimuli.
Regarding this edit, no, I don't understand what it is saying. Automatic is the terminology in the sources, vocalizations and sounds are redundant, and the grammar here is confusing ... SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 13:47, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, User:Slp1! My concern about the Treatment section is not only the excess "how to" detail on one intervention and based on one very old source (1987!), but the lack of context. The secondary reviews I have been able to access indicate that echolalia sometimes has communicative intent, and eliminating it is not always desirable. Treatment info should ideally be up to date, based on good sources, and with context provided.
I have been unable to get any response from any of the editors working on this page in the last month, so unless someone can provide some context soon ... SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
References
{{
cite journal}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help); Unknown parameter |month=
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help)
I thin this behaviour is similar in animals. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 16:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
The final paragraph in this section appears to be a random anecdote that doesn't really add anything to the section overall. I think it should be deleted or moved to another section. Thoughts? LemonTeacher8675309 ( talk) 04:13, 13 December 2023 (UTC)