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Great article! Throughly enjoyed reading this one. - Vaughan 07:53, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I agree. This article needs an intro and at least a general description of the topic before delving into other areas of the matter. --Umma Kynes 03:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Good article, but was what was defined as shell shock really the same thing as this? aren't there schools of thought that say it is more like PTSD? Shell shock seemed to be long term, and this is about a short term problem? The bit about Lebanon says men were able to return to action in 72 hours- WW1 shell shock affected the men long after they were back in civilian life. I'm no expert, would appreciate a response from someone who is. LouiseCooke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.71.206 ( talk) 17:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Under the "Germans in WWII" section, it cites an increase of 5% of stress casualties over period 35 to 42. But the war had not begun in 35, so it is innaccurate to cite these numbers, I think.
Agreed. I was about to post something about this error too :P Talk User:Fissionfox 05:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
An arguement against merging this article with the PTSD article: PTSD is a medical ailment that is firmly within the realm of the medical community to deal with, whereas combat stress reaction can be argued to be in both the realm of the medical community and yet still maintains an element of leadership responsibility. By this, I mean that there are measures that can be taken by military leaders to mitigate or minimize the effects of combat stress, potentially preventing the development of long term problems like PTSD. I've added a reference that identifes some of the lessons the Canadian Forces has identified regrading this issue (someone can clean up the addition of the reference). -- Milbuff101 14:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
The article would be too long and this subject goes furthur into detail about a specific form of PTSD as PTSD can come from many other things such as rape, witnessing a murder etc etc... Drew1369 17:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC) (Edited by Hyter -- fixed spelling)
CSR is generally treated with group therapy, but PTSD is usually a very personal things. Although they are similar, treatments and causes are VERY different. Hyter 17:44, 4 December 2006 (GMT -06:00 Central Time US & Canada)
what about world war one shell shock?
Many years ago (circa 1975) when I worked for an engineering firm in London England, my boss used to recount his childhood experiences in Reading Berkshire. There was a psychiatric hospital in the town that specialized in "warehousing" the worst cases of shell shock from WW1. That kid would occasionally see these poor wretches being escorted on walks and he would run home screaming in terror. He could never articulate the exact expressions he read on their agonized faces but the fear of them went well near to driving him barking mad.
I'm quite surprised to see all of the instructions by the British in WW1, I always thought it was an unrecognised condition. Certainly many soldiers, hundreds, were court martialed and executed for cowardice, desertion or refusal to obey orders for this illness. Many relatives were still trying to obtain pardons for their relative's actions, when in November 2006 the UK government did an about face, and pardoned all, rather than face a Judicial Enquiry.
The following is a series of stories about the lead case of Harry Farr in chronological order
Tony Spencer 22:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I have just rewritten the introduction in an attempt to increase the context and accuracy. The previous introduction was:
My current edit is:
The mention of the three wars is misleading. Firstly, the term CSR was not used in WWI or WW2. It is a term that has a recent origin. CSR is also not confined to particular wars but can occur in any battle scenario. Secondly, CSR describes a short-term reaction with other disorders being diagnosed if the problems persist.
Does this provide adequate context in the introduction? Can the header be removed? What is the process of having it removed?-- CloudSurfer 18:15, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't have neither the knowledge background or the time to properly research and edit this page myself, but if I could, I think it would be very pertinent to address to combat stress issue and how it is dealt with in current Iraq. In this war, American GIs are kept on field far beyond their assignments ends. Many of them are enlisted to homeland security and diverted as reinforcements to regular troops on the battlefield, without the proper training or combat experience regulars have. This lack of refreshment of new soldiers certainly leads to fatigue and a new paragraph would be of interest on Medicine, Psychology and political consequences, in case someone writes it.
Kapella 11:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
is it called shell shock?
Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article?
I'd nominate it for at least good, otherwise.
-- Hawkian ( talk) 17:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
The
controversy section says that more US servicemen killed themselves after their experiences in Vietnam than died in combat. Is that really true? Rather than remove it, I have tagged it with {{
fact}}
. If no one comments here or we can't confirm it in a while, it should be removed.
Enviroboy
Talk
Cs 05:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
The DSM-IV-TR definition is the same as shellshock, they are the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tivaelydoc ( talk • contribs) 05:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
This line doesn't make sense to me:
"It is probable that there was both less of a true problem and less perception of a problem." [1]
Can anyone clarify this for me, and if need be, rephrase it in the article so that it is more understandable? Nytewing07 ( talk) 18:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Look, I'm removing the following original research section from the page until I can find the time to edit and collect citations for it. Right now it's just not encyclopedic. Therealhazel ( talk) 05:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
"Looking into the conflict in Afghanistan there is a lot of concern from the soldiers, and their built up stress.The frequency of mortar fire put some soldiers on edge while others just get used to the idea. There are bunkers at almost all bases in Afghanistan and the soldiers are well trained to drop everything and get to these bunkers in the case of an attack. Many times, however, its not mortar attacks but landmines being set off that trigger the knee jerk, trained, reaction from soldiers. The job of many trained soldiers is to go out and search for and disarm landmines, a mentally and physically taxing assignment for all those involved. Landmines are a constant threat and a cause of many military and civilian deaths. Many soldiers report jumping out of bed and fleeing to a nearby bunker, when in fact it was only an animal setting off a nearby landmine. The mental wear down these situations have on soldiers is a current problem in Afghanistan with troop morale and mental stability. Many of the newly arriving soldiers experience a shell shock in their first couple weeks of these events and must find a way to cope or their condition will worsen."
So what exactly was nostalgia? 213.122.34.43 ( talk) 15:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
The image currently being used in the article to illustrate the "thousand-yard-stare" (a common "sign" of CSR) is, I think, a poor choice, given the alternatives available. The soldier being referenced is not the focus of the image. He is also smiling, which is not usually what someone will do. I think this image, used on the thousand-yard stare article, is a much better way of "illustrating" CSR (if that's actually possible) or at least the 'stare', which is what most think of when hearing about someone who is "shell shocked".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WW2_Marine_after_Eniwetok_assault.jpg
If not that photograph, then this illustration, which was created to depict the 'stare'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tom_Lea_-_2000_Yard_Stare.jpg
TaintedMustard ( talk) 20:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
A summary of a few problems with the article:
The above was added as part of the WWI editathon taking place today, based on the comments of Simon Wessely, co-author of 'Shell Shock to PTSD (2005). Carcharoth ( talk) 11:58, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I cannot make much sense of this sentence:
Peacekeeping provides its own stresses because its emphasis on rules of engagement contains the roles for which soldiers are trained.
The sentence was recently copyedited, and the original sentence was:
Peacekeeping provides its own stresses with its emphasis on rules of engagement providing a containment of the roles for which soldiers are trained.
I don't know if the problem is my lack of language skills, or the sentence in itself. Can anybody help? Lova Falk talk 13:31, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
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Image from World War I taken in an Australian dressing station near Ypres in 1917. The wounded soldier in the lower left of the photo has a dazed thousand-yard stare, a frequent manifestation of "shell-shock".
No. No, he does not. He's smiling and looking at something off-camera. See the talk page on thousand-yard stare which also once featured this image. I'm changing the image to another one from that article. 108.34.201.56 ( talk) 06:23, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
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Great article! Throughly enjoyed reading this one. - Vaughan 07:53, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I agree. This article needs an intro and at least a general description of the topic before delving into other areas of the matter. --Umma Kynes 03:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Good article, but was what was defined as shell shock really the same thing as this? aren't there schools of thought that say it is more like PTSD? Shell shock seemed to be long term, and this is about a short term problem? The bit about Lebanon says men were able to return to action in 72 hours- WW1 shell shock affected the men long after they were back in civilian life. I'm no expert, would appreciate a response from someone who is. LouiseCooke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.71.206 ( talk) 17:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Under the "Germans in WWII" section, it cites an increase of 5% of stress casualties over period 35 to 42. But the war had not begun in 35, so it is innaccurate to cite these numbers, I think.
Agreed. I was about to post something about this error too :P Talk User:Fissionfox 05:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
An arguement against merging this article with the PTSD article: PTSD is a medical ailment that is firmly within the realm of the medical community to deal with, whereas combat stress reaction can be argued to be in both the realm of the medical community and yet still maintains an element of leadership responsibility. By this, I mean that there are measures that can be taken by military leaders to mitigate or minimize the effects of combat stress, potentially preventing the development of long term problems like PTSD. I've added a reference that identifes some of the lessons the Canadian Forces has identified regrading this issue (someone can clean up the addition of the reference). -- Milbuff101 14:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
The article would be too long and this subject goes furthur into detail about a specific form of PTSD as PTSD can come from many other things such as rape, witnessing a murder etc etc... Drew1369 17:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC) (Edited by Hyter -- fixed spelling)
CSR is generally treated with group therapy, but PTSD is usually a very personal things. Although they are similar, treatments and causes are VERY different. Hyter 17:44, 4 December 2006 (GMT -06:00 Central Time US & Canada)
what about world war one shell shock?
Many years ago (circa 1975) when I worked for an engineering firm in London England, my boss used to recount his childhood experiences in Reading Berkshire. There was a psychiatric hospital in the town that specialized in "warehousing" the worst cases of shell shock from WW1. That kid would occasionally see these poor wretches being escorted on walks and he would run home screaming in terror. He could never articulate the exact expressions he read on their agonized faces but the fear of them went well near to driving him barking mad.
I'm quite surprised to see all of the instructions by the British in WW1, I always thought it was an unrecognised condition. Certainly many soldiers, hundreds, were court martialed and executed for cowardice, desertion or refusal to obey orders for this illness. Many relatives were still trying to obtain pardons for their relative's actions, when in November 2006 the UK government did an about face, and pardoned all, rather than face a Judicial Enquiry.
The following is a series of stories about the lead case of Harry Farr in chronological order
Tony Spencer 22:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I have just rewritten the introduction in an attempt to increase the context and accuracy. The previous introduction was:
My current edit is:
The mention of the three wars is misleading. Firstly, the term CSR was not used in WWI or WW2. It is a term that has a recent origin. CSR is also not confined to particular wars but can occur in any battle scenario. Secondly, CSR describes a short-term reaction with other disorders being diagnosed if the problems persist.
Does this provide adequate context in the introduction? Can the header be removed? What is the process of having it removed?-- CloudSurfer 18:15, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't have neither the knowledge background or the time to properly research and edit this page myself, but if I could, I think it would be very pertinent to address to combat stress issue and how it is dealt with in current Iraq. In this war, American GIs are kept on field far beyond their assignments ends. Many of them are enlisted to homeland security and diverted as reinforcements to regular troops on the battlefield, without the proper training or combat experience regulars have. This lack of refreshment of new soldiers certainly leads to fatigue and a new paragraph would be of interest on Medicine, Psychology and political consequences, in case someone writes it.
Kapella 11:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
is it called shell shock?
Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article?
I'd nominate it for at least good, otherwise.
-- Hawkian ( talk) 17:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
The
controversy section says that more US servicemen killed themselves after their experiences in Vietnam than died in combat. Is that really true? Rather than remove it, I have tagged it with {{
fact}}
. If no one comments here or we can't confirm it in a while, it should be removed.
Enviroboy
Talk
Cs 05:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
The DSM-IV-TR definition is the same as shellshock, they are the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tivaelydoc ( talk • contribs) 05:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
This line doesn't make sense to me:
"It is probable that there was both less of a true problem and less perception of a problem." [1]
Can anyone clarify this for me, and if need be, rephrase it in the article so that it is more understandable? Nytewing07 ( talk) 18:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Look, I'm removing the following original research section from the page until I can find the time to edit and collect citations for it. Right now it's just not encyclopedic. Therealhazel ( talk) 05:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
"Looking into the conflict in Afghanistan there is a lot of concern from the soldiers, and their built up stress.The frequency of mortar fire put some soldiers on edge while others just get used to the idea. There are bunkers at almost all bases in Afghanistan and the soldiers are well trained to drop everything and get to these bunkers in the case of an attack. Many times, however, its not mortar attacks but landmines being set off that trigger the knee jerk, trained, reaction from soldiers. The job of many trained soldiers is to go out and search for and disarm landmines, a mentally and physically taxing assignment for all those involved. Landmines are a constant threat and a cause of many military and civilian deaths. Many soldiers report jumping out of bed and fleeing to a nearby bunker, when in fact it was only an animal setting off a nearby landmine. The mental wear down these situations have on soldiers is a current problem in Afghanistan with troop morale and mental stability. Many of the newly arriving soldiers experience a shell shock in their first couple weeks of these events and must find a way to cope or their condition will worsen."
So what exactly was nostalgia? 213.122.34.43 ( talk) 15:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
The image currently being used in the article to illustrate the "thousand-yard-stare" (a common "sign" of CSR) is, I think, a poor choice, given the alternatives available. The soldier being referenced is not the focus of the image. He is also smiling, which is not usually what someone will do. I think this image, used on the thousand-yard stare article, is a much better way of "illustrating" CSR (if that's actually possible) or at least the 'stare', which is what most think of when hearing about someone who is "shell shocked".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WW2_Marine_after_Eniwetok_assault.jpg
If not that photograph, then this illustration, which was created to depict the 'stare'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tom_Lea_-_2000_Yard_Stare.jpg
TaintedMustard ( talk) 20:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
A summary of a few problems with the article:
The above was added as part of the WWI editathon taking place today, based on the comments of Simon Wessely, co-author of 'Shell Shock to PTSD (2005). Carcharoth ( talk) 11:58, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I cannot make much sense of this sentence:
Peacekeeping provides its own stresses because its emphasis on rules of engagement contains the roles for which soldiers are trained.
The sentence was recently copyedited, and the original sentence was:
Peacekeeping provides its own stresses with its emphasis on rules of engagement providing a containment of the roles for which soldiers are trained.
I don't know if the problem is my lack of language skills, or the sentence in itself. Can anybody help? Lova Falk talk 13:31, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
A number of the sources cited on this article are inaccessible without paying a fee. This renders the article unverifiable by the general public. 32.209.67.97 ( talk) 00:11, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
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Image from World War I taken in an Australian dressing station near Ypres in 1917. The wounded soldier in the lower left of the photo has a dazed thousand-yard stare, a frequent manifestation of "shell-shock".
No. No, he does not. He's smiling and looking at something off-camera. See the talk page on thousand-yard stare which also once featured this image. I'm changing the image to another one from that article. 108.34.201.56 ( talk) 06:23, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 September 2022 and 1 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Nbaldwin13 ( article contribs).
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