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Prior to the Council of Trent in the 16th century, it was not uncommon to publicly celebrate marriages on church steps. Moreover, marriage was believed to be a sacrament even if celebrated privately, without any witnesses. (Just as baptism is a sacrament even when it is performed privately by one layman on another layman.) The Council of Trent, in order to emphasize the sacramental nature of marriage, required that a valid marriage should involve a cleric and two witnesses (except, I assume, in cases of necessity, like desert isles, and so on).
There was no opposition to marriage, since marriage was always seen as an image of the love between Christ and the Church, but celibacy for the sake of the Kingdom of God has always been touted as even better than marriage. -- Alexander Pruss
I removed many of the more subjective sentences in the first couple of paragraphs because they do not have proper sources and are only true for some denominations of Christianity. This intro should be broad and true instead of narrow and false. Any changes made to the first section should be discussed here before they are executed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.136.45 ( talk) 19:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I am thinking off adding a short section on Anabaptist marriage views. While similar to Protestantism, the movement has historically taken a harder line on divorce. Also, marriage customs differ from in some respects (e.g., some sects have no wedding rings, etc.).
Also, I think there may be some value to adding a brief reference to Friends (Quaker) view on marriage considering their somewhat unique perspective on marriage.
Would these entries best fit under the Protestant section or elsewhere? Any other comments, ideas, suggestions? Thanks. Surv1v4l1st ( Talk| Contribs) 00:18, 22 February 2010 (UTC) balls — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.128.113 ( talk) 23:53, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
At the present, in addition to this article, there is also Monogamy in Christianity and a Polygamy in Christianity. Any thoughts on merging some or all of these articles? Surv1v4l1st ( Talk| Contribs) 23:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I now realize why Afaprof changed what I thought was a correction to the page. Jewish views on marriage is the article that one gets to when clicking on Marriage in the Bible. However, I do not think that the above mentioned article is the main article for anything in this article. The vast majority of what it describes is based on Jewish traditions that are not themselves taken directly from the Hebrew bible. In other words 90% of the entry has nothing whatsoever to do with the biblical foundations of Christian views on marriage. If there were in fact a real entry about "Marriage in the bible", then that entry would be appropriate. I suggest we remove this link altogether or put it into "see also" or something of that sort. Griswaldo ( talk) 13:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I have been concerned for a long time that a lot of this article is being written from one person's particular point of view of marriage within Christianity and their interpretation of Biblical sources. We have to be really careful to keep it balanced and avoid POV - keeping it as factual as possible and linking it where we can to official denominational positions. Otherwise sections about the new testament around fornication and adultery look very shaky indeed. Not all Christians share all the views set out. That means we focus strongly on history, tradition and practice and less on theology (unless in a denominational context). Contaldo80 ( talk) 09:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
It is sections such as "Family Headship' that give WP a reputation of liberal bias. First, the meaning of "head" is sufficiency obscured so as to cast doubt on it meaning an authoritative leadership position, which is done by teaching that the times (less than 20 out of 76) that the word for "head" is used outside the literal sense, then it is most frequently in the metaphorical sense of "source." But which is sophistry, as outside such metaphorical uses such as Christ being the foundational head stone of the building, whenever it is used in the context of position, as in "the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God, " (1Cor. 11:3) then it denotes far more than simply "source," despite the attempt to reduce it to that.
Then the historical grammatical method is invoked in negating any universality and transcendence for what the Bible says on this issue, which leads to over 500 words on the modern egalitarian position - most of which is a polemic for which one non-linked source is attributed - being given as the primary representative view of Christian teaching on headship. And in which it is asserted, "Christian egalitarianism has biblical support" (rather than "egalitarians see") based on a Pauline text calling for mutual submission, and the section culminates with another assertion, "A straightforward reading of Matthew 20:25–26a, Mark 10:42, and Luke 22:25 suggests that Jesus even forbids any hierarchy of relationships in Christian relationships."
However both assertions are absurd, unless one actually believes Biblical exegesis consists of interpreting texts in isolation from the totality of what the source taught on the subject, and that Paul was at odds with himself in clearly declaring the headship of the Father over the Son and the Son over the church, and the husband over the wife, and requiring submission to leadership, including his own as one that threatened the use his spiritual rod for discipline. (1Cor. 4:21) And that his Lord was also rejecting authoritative leadership in the church, government, and even to His own Father as occupying a higher position, rather than teaching on the servant type character leaders are to adopt, even though they are given authority.
After this, the reader is provided with a couple hundreds words on the complementarian position as if it were a secondary view, which historically nor presently it is not, including the statement that "some Complementarian authors caution that a wife's submission should never cause her to follow her husband into sin," as if this was an exceptional position rather than the opposite being the case, as submission to man is abundantly evidenced as always being conditional. Perhaps a few even preach that the man is to love his wife as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it."(Eph. 5:25) And instead of polemical assertions such as "Christian egalitarianism has biblical support" and "A straightforward reading...", the only actual Biblical references in this section are prefaced with the caveat that support "is based on their interpretation of various scriptures."
Now i understand that truth is not the criteria for WP, but verification, and the overwhelming nature of higher education being what it is, it is easy to validate such absurd interpretations with modern revisionist "scholars" that unsurprisingly effectively negate the transcendence of any moral commands by their sophistry, but my point here is that while neither the overwhelming historical position, nor that of the largest Protestant denomination among multitude others, nor that of the Catholic church can be said to be egalitarian, yet this section is not only making the teaching on headship as one that is up for grabs, but ignoring history and the present predominate position, it clearly favors the modern egalitarian view, presenting a polemic for it and only providing a brief summary of the traditional position on headship. Of course, if i spent half as much time at least adding some balance to the section then it could be more substantial, and befitting its predominance, but i thought a protest over the slant was fitting before any changes were made. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus ( talk) 02:05, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I think the introduction to this article could use some sources to back up many of the claims that are made and to direct people to places for more information/greater understanding. The claims are all mostly good but there is no harm in expanding the bibliography for this article; more sources will facilitate learning for those who want to go beyond what is provided in the text. There is no reason why the introduction here could not be as adorned with references as other similar articles. Säadtrain ( talk) 02:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I also think it is better to have a lede sentence without a direct quotation but with a citation/citations. Säadtrain ( talk) 03:44, 4 November 2010 (UTC) http://4a4b.wikispaces.com/file/view/Religious_symbols.jpg/90527231/Religious_symbols.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.180.32.13 ( talk) 14:41, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the picture that located on the top of the page is named "Misalliance", so I think that it can't represent a typical Christian wedding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plankalkulist ( talk • contribs) 13:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
I have moved some material here from the article on Monogamy in Christianity for several reasons and I thought I would summarize my thinking.
I don't like this section in the lead: "The Bible holds that sex is reserved for marriage. It says that sex outside of marriage is the sin of adultery (for the married person) if either sexual participant is married to another person. Voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other is considered the sin of fornication." It doesn't. People have interpreted parts of the Bible to support that reading (and it may be that it is the mainstream view of christian churches). But nowhere does it explicitly say you must only have sex within marriage (and look at the old testament patriarchs for a start!) Nowhere does it talk about the sin of fornication. We need to nuance this sentence. Suggestions welcome. Contaldo80 ( talk) 11:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I had made an edit to expand discussion of family headship, as this is a vital issue. An editor reverted this suggestion because the subject was already covered. Not true. There is some discussion in subsections of Protestantism but the subject is really broader and covers all denominations. We need this covered much better than it is now. Rlsheehan ( talk) 00:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Given the inclusion of a same sex section isn't it appropriate to note that most denominations retain the position that homosexual relationships are non-scriptural? As it reads for now it sounds like most churches view such relationships neutrally, which is obviously not true. Simply a matter of adjusting the paragraph lead ins. Just throwing the idea out for consideration. ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.4.1 ( talk) 12:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I can't find anything in the article (or anywhere else on wikipedia) that addresses Christian views on interracial marriage. Could some people work on adding something? Most churches permit it now but 200 years ago, things were much different. We could focus on arguments for/against and how they changed over time-- 173.49.255.8 ( talk) 02:36, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
As part of the continuing effort to present a lop sided article that favors the egalitarian view, a user named Afaprof01 insisted on including the statement that `"Nowhere in the [[New Testament is there a requirement for a wife to obey her husband," and then gives a one sides argument regarding this in the lead, which, besides the absurdity of "Nowhere..," it is presented as a acknowledged common fact, not as an argument from an egalitarian source.
I changed it to provide a balanced presentation, and moved it to where both sides are dealt with, with references, but which Afaprof01 could not tolerate and insists it is a fact.
While this is not the place to argue the issue itself, yet as Afaprof01 basis for his one sided assertion is that it is a fact, i provide the following which are invoked by the complementarian side, which at the least shows that "Nowhere in the [[New Testament is there a requirement for a wife to obey her husband," not a commonly accepted fact:
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. " (Ephesians 5:22-24) "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. " (Colossians 3:18) "To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. " (Titus 2:5) "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. " (1 Corinthians 11:3) "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. " (1 Corinthians 14:34-35) "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. " (1 Timothy 2:11-12) Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus ( talk) 19:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
The issue was that you asserted, without any qualification or counter view, and in the lead section no less, that nowhere in the NT is there a requirement for a wife to obey her husband. And then, when i made the effort to clarify that it was an argument and in which the basic view of the opposing party was included, you simply undid it without making an effort to correct the onesided assertion. This not what WP is sppsd to example
And yes i am aware that the heavily relied upon Stagg is a baptist theologian, while some others disagree with him, but my POV comment was in regards to an assertion being made without qualifying that it was an argument, regardless of your insistence that it is a fact.
I can understand how it takes blood, sweat and tears to negate the plain teaching of male headship, and we are not supposed to turn this into a forum debate here, and your arguments are poor ones, but though little more should need to be said, i have responded to egalitarian contentions here and here, and which are akin to those for homosexual relations also dealt with. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus ( talk) 00:29, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
However, I will briefly respond to your arguments here, which illustrate the two sides the article describes.
Regarding a supposed "vast difference between "submit" and "obey," that is absurd. The one who obeys is submitting, and the one who submits is obeying. Thus demons were subject the apostles in obeying them, (Lk. 10:17) believers are to be subject to rulers, (1Pt. 2:14) and Christ submitted to and thus obeyed the Father, and will be in subjection to Him forever, (1Cor. 15:27,28) and likewise the church is in subjection to Christ as its head, and Paul says likewise wives are to submit to their head. All are first called to submit to each other in general, having a servants heart, rather than seeking to dominate, but there is an order given in which there is leadership to which obedience is enjoimned.
Invoking slavery as an escape clause will not work, a whiles the commonality is that both were called to submission/obedience, yet its foundation is not based on Genesis and creation or the Fall, and thus is not based on gender or race, and freedom was possible, and they are encouraged to obtain freedom if lawfully able, (1Cor. 7:21) and which Paul obtained for Philemon. Egalatarians can only wish Paul likewise encouraged wives to escape being in subjection to their head.
Your assertion that we have no "exception clause" for submission that overules obedience to a husband commanding a women to do unspeakable things, is as untenable as saying women are not commanded to obey their husbands. You profess that you are not unlearned, yet it is quite manifest in Scripture than any obedience to man is conditional, and allows and even requires disobedience in instances when it requires acting contrary to God's word. And the earliest example of this was that of the midwives disobeying Pharaoh's order to commit infanticide. The church itself was born in dissent, and disobeyed the will of the rulers who forbade preaching the gospel, as must many believers today.
And yes, we are called to wash each other's feet, the question being whether this is a ritual ordinance, or meaning hospitality which may literally include it.
As for the shellfish argument, this ignores the covenantal distinctions, whereas male headship is affirmed under both covenants, based on creational distinctions which reflect the order within the Godhead. The attempt to argue that Paul and Peter were trying to protect the members of the fragile newly-formed Church from being an embarrassment, is itself an embarrassment, and would negate the basis given for it. The nature of such attempts end up disallowing any coherent moral code in Scripture.
As for equating women teaching little children with teaching men, children themselves are to be in subjection/obedience to parents, plural, and in some things women will instruct men, but the male is the head in both instances. And unlike children, husbands are not commanded to be in subjection to wives as their head, while yet being servants in leading. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus ( talk) 00:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
If Holy Matrimony links to this topic, it should at least be discussed. The difference between "holy matrimony" and simple "matrimony" is the obvious, the word "holy".
As anything that is dedicated to God and serve's God's purpose is made holy, so too does a priest bless and make holy marriages between men and woman. Unlike other unions, Christians believe only a man and woman's marriage can serve God's purposes, procreation.
The article stats regarding the New Testament; "it calls voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons the sin of fornication."
This is simply not so. Persons interpret it as stating this, but it does not directly state this, nor even necessarily imply it. Rather, it portrays prostituting oneself, whatever the form of reward, as fornication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.254.232 ( talk) 00:35, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
The POV of this article is rightly questioned with little academic evidence on a supposed "mainstream" view on what the NT teaches concerning πορνεία with no distinction from what the mere Anglo-speaking tradition understands "fornication" to be. I advise to consult a serious commentary on matters like 1 Corinthians 6-7 and advise to engage in actual word studies in the original languages and not writing articles with the premise "I am guessing ...". The last sentence of the lead of this article is an academic disgrace ("It calls sex outside of marriage the sin of adultery (for the married person) if EITHER sexual participant is married to another person, while it calls voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons the SIN of FORNICATION."). The NT does not address modern pre-marital sex because it does not know of it. 1 Corinthians 25-38 assumes that young people always are engaged and fornication in this context may be any number of things, most likely engaging with prostitutes which, interestingly enough, is in need of a very thorough ethical argument against it in chapter 6. Also, specifically 1 Corinthians 7,10 and 39 are evidence of a patriarchal perspective that nowhere excludes polygyny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 ( talk) 12:36, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
A recent revert on Christian views of marriage, rather than trying to address the longstanding POV issues cited on the talk page:
1. Removed a POV tag without discussion.
2. Referred to another's edits as "massively POV" while restoring for instance a sentence claiming that Jesus made a particular claim. Rather than that Jesus is recorded in the New Testament to have made a particular claim. I can't imagine a worse POV error than that. It did not cite any actual "massively POV" statement, didn't cite any on the talk page, and made the article more POV in the following ways at least:
3. Removed clearly factual statements with references.
4. Could have, but did not, improve the hatnote distinguishing "Biblical" from "Christian" views, which you must acknowledge are required, from this reference alone: [1]
5. Did all this with a clearly Christian-POV user name. Which, if nothing else, discourages persons not of Christian faith from fixing the POV problems and kind of signals a Christian mafia is going to revert edits without discussion that seriously challenge some dogma or other, or bring up uncomfortable history.
6. Removed utterly innocuous factual statements about divorce that are clearly referenced in other articles in Wikipedia. As the article stands it pretends that divorce was always permitted on compassionate grounds, which is just plain historical denial. It's grossly POV to deny that divorce was forbidden until the 20th century by most Christian sects, nor that it continues to carry stigma, guilt and shame, all that must be acknowledged clearly in the passages about divorce.
7. Removed distinctions between Christian sects that do not agree on key questions like divorce or same-sex marriage. As if the majority view must be correct within Christianity.
8. Removed distinctions between civil and religious marriage and the extremely brief historical mention of the Theodosian Code and modern same sex marriage rulings in former Roman Empire countries.
If this happens again, serious sanctions should be invoked. There is no room in Wikipedia for Christian POV warriors trying to whitewash Christianity nor any other religion.
The language reverted was moderate, factual and fair. Overt fair statements that would call the morality of Christianity into account - for instance calling it a hate cult that made it a high priority in the 4th century to hunt down and murder good citizens who happened to have same sex marriages - have not been included.
The hatnote does need improvement and perhaps a separate Biblical view of marriage page needs to be created to debunk the idea that there is any such view.
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I removed the following paragraph from the Old Testament subsection because it reeked of OR and had no inline citations. That being said, I'm not at all convinced that it is factually inaccurate. So I'm pasting it here for easier retrieval if anyone can find good sources to support it. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 14:29, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Christians regard the foundational principle of the lifelong union of a man and a woman to have been first articulated biblically in Genesis 2:24. It was reaffirmed by Jesus in Matthew 19:5 and Mark 10:6–8. The Old Testament describes a number of marriages, some of the best known being Adam and Eve; Abraham, Sarah and Hagar; Isaac and Rebekah; Jacob, Rachel and Leah; Boaz and Ruth; David, Michal, Ahinoam, Abigail, Maachah, Haggith, Abital, Eglah and Bathsheba; and Hosea and the prostitute Gomer, whom he married at God's command. Hosea 1:2–3
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@ UVie2ien: are you stating that bishop Gregory is an imbecile? For that is the implication of your edit summary. May I remind you that Sola Scriptura is heresy for the Eastern Orthodox churches? Also, the WP:BLOGS of alt-right loons do not pass for reliable sources inside Wikipedia. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 17:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
The section "Egalitarians" has 1550 words.
The section "Complementarians" has 736 words.
The section "Biblical patriarchy" has 676 words.
The introduction of these sections are trying to defend "egals" in context of the others.
This entire section is clearly biased to support a single perspective. This contradicts the idea of Wikipedia being a encyclopedia -- not advancing a particular viewpoint or agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.155.12.234 ( talk) 06:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
162.155.12.234 ( talk) 06:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
The first sentence says: "From the earliest days of the Christian faith, Christians have honored holy matrimony (as Christian marriages are referred to) as a divinely blessed, lifelong, monogamous union, between a man and a woman." [bold added here and below]
Later at [ [2]] we have:
'Marriage was officially recognized as a sacrament at the 1184 Council of Verona. Before then, no specific ritual was prescribed for celebrating a marriage: "Marriage vows did not have to be exchanged in a church, nor was a priest's presence required. A couple could exchange consent anywhere, anytime." '
and
"The Catholic Church allowed marriages to take place inside churches only starting with the 16th century, beforehand religious marriages happened on the porch of the church."
So, it seems that for about half the time Christianity has existed marriage was not recognised as a sacrament, and the Church did not seem to be involved; and for another quarter of the time marriage was not allowed in the main part of the church building.
So for only one quarter of the time of Christianity's existence have marriages happened (or been allowed to happen) in a church.
So, from these those statements, the impression I get is that early Christianity was possibly actually opposed to marriage, or not interested in it. The is somewhat different to the impression given by the first sentence.
FrankSier ( talk) 16:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
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will my wife be special to me in heaven? Mathew22:30, Mathew16:19, Luke 20:29-38 73.2.43.169 ( talk) 21:52, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
We've got Marriage in Hinduism and Marriage in Islam but Jewish views on marriage and Buddhist view of marriage, along with, of course, this article, Christian views on marriage. We don't even have a page on marriage within Daoism!
Why is it of marriage for Buddhism but on for Jews and Christians? Why haven't Hindus and Muslims views on marriage, but rather contain marriage within themselves somehow?
I suggest changing the titles to something more consistent. My vote would go to Marriage in Christianity, etc.
It's not that there's consistency across religions, either. There are pages in Islam as well as Islamic view of pages, for instance.
If there's not going to be consistency across religion or across concept, then what is there exactly? It looks like anarchy to me.
Philologick ( talk) 08:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I get that wikipedia has a strong left-wing bias and is anti-christian etc., but you could at least try not to actively mislead people, especially on pages that aren't part of your agenda. 2600:1700:BA02:36E0:15D0:BE0E:378A:5E3E ( talk) 01:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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Prior to the Council of Trent in the 16th century, it was not uncommon to publicly celebrate marriages on church steps. Moreover, marriage was believed to be a sacrament even if celebrated privately, without any witnesses. (Just as baptism is a sacrament even when it is performed privately by one layman on another layman.) The Council of Trent, in order to emphasize the sacramental nature of marriage, required that a valid marriage should involve a cleric and two witnesses (except, I assume, in cases of necessity, like desert isles, and so on).
There was no opposition to marriage, since marriage was always seen as an image of the love between Christ and the Church, but celibacy for the sake of the Kingdom of God has always been touted as even better than marriage. -- Alexander Pruss
I removed many of the more subjective sentences in the first couple of paragraphs because they do not have proper sources and are only true for some denominations of Christianity. This intro should be broad and true instead of narrow and false. Any changes made to the first section should be discussed here before they are executed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.136.45 ( talk) 19:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I am thinking off adding a short section on Anabaptist marriage views. While similar to Protestantism, the movement has historically taken a harder line on divorce. Also, marriage customs differ from in some respects (e.g., some sects have no wedding rings, etc.).
Also, I think there may be some value to adding a brief reference to Friends (Quaker) view on marriage considering their somewhat unique perspective on marriage.
Would these entries best fit under the Protestant section or elsewhere? Any other comments, ideas, suggestions? Thanks. Surv1v4l1st ( Talk| Contribs) 00:18, 22 February 2010 (UTC) balls — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.128.113 ( talk) 23:53, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
At the present, in addition to this article, there is also Monogamy in Christianity and a Polygamy in Christianity. Any thoughts on merging some or all of these articles? Surv1v4l1st ( Talk| Contribs) 23:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I now realize why Afaprof changed what I thought was a correction to the page. Jewish views on marriage is the article that one gets to when clicking on Marriage in the Bible. However, I do not think that the above mentioned article is the main article for anything in this article. The vast majority of what it describes is based on Jewish traditions that are not themselves taken directly from the Hebrew bible. In other words 90% of the entry has nothing whatsoever to do with the biblical foundations of Christian views on marriage. If there were in fact a real entry about "Marriage in the bible", then that entry would be appropriate. I suggest we remove this link altogether or put it into "see also" or something of that sort. Griswaldo ( talk) 13:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I have been concerned for a long time that a lot of this article is being written from one person's particular point of view of marriage within Christianity and their interpretation of Biblical sources. We have to be really careful to keep it balanced and avoid POV - keeping it as factual as possible and linking it where we can to official denominational positions. Otherwise sections about the new testament around fornication and adultery look very shaky indeed. Not all Christians share all the views set out. That means we focus strongly on history, tradition and practice and less on theology (unless in a denominational context). Contaldo80 ( talk) 09:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
It is sections such as "Family Headship' that give WP a reputation of liberal bias. First, the meaning of "head" is sufficiency obscured so as to cast doubt on it meaning an authoritative leadership position, which is done by teaching that the times (less than 20 out of 76) that the word for "head" is used outside the literal sense, then it is most frequently in the metaphorical sense of "source." But which is sophistry, as outside such metaphorical uses such as Christ being the foundational head stone of the building, whenever it is used in the context of position, as in "the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God, " (1Cor. 11:3) then it denotes far more than simply "source," despite the attempt to reduce it to that.
Then the historical grammatical method is invoked in negating any universality and transcendence for what the Bible says on this issue, which leads to over 500 words on the modern egalitarian position - most of which is a polemic for which one non-linked source is attributed - being given as the primary representative view of Christian teaching on headship. And in which it is asserted, "Christian egalitarianism has biblical support" (rather than "egalitarians see") based on a Pauline text calling for mutual submission, and the section culminates with another assertion, "A straightforward reading of Matthew 20:25–26a, Mark 10:42, and Luke 22:25 suggests that Jesus even forbids any hierarchy of relationships in Christian relationships."
However both assertions are absurd, unless one actually believes Biblical exegesis consists of interpreting texts in isolation from the totality of what the source taught on the subject, and that Paul was at odds with himself in clearly declaring the headship of the Father over the Son and the Son over the church, and the husband over the wife, and requiring submission to leadership, including his own as one that threatened the use his spiritual rod for discipline. (1Cor. 4:21) And that his Lord was also rejecting authoritative leadership in the church, government, and even to His own Father as occupying a higher position, rather than teaching on the servant type character leaders are to adopt, even though they are given authority.
After this, the reader is provided with a couple hundreds words on the complementarian position as if it were a secondary view, which historically nor presently it is not, including the statement that "some Complementarian authors caution that a wife's submission should never cause her to follow her husband into sin," as if this was an exceptional position rather than the opposite being the case, as submission to man is abundantly evidenced as always being conditional. Perhaps a few even preach that the man is to love his wife as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it."(Eph. 5:25) And instead of polemical assertions such as "Christian egalitarianism has biblical support" and "A straightforward reading...", the only actual Biblical references in this section are prefaced with the caveat that support "is based on their interpretation of various scriptures."
Now i understand that truth is not the criteria for WP, but verification, and the overwhelming nature of higher education being what it is, it is easy to validate such absurd interpretations with modern revisionist "scholars" that unsurprisingly effectively negate the transcendence of any moral commands by their sophistry, but my point here is that while neither the overwhelming historical position, nor that of the largest Protestant denomination among multitude others, nor that of the Catholic church can be said to be egalitarian, yet this section is not only making the teaching on headship as one that is up for grabs, but ignoring history and the present predominate position, it clearly favors the modern egalitarian view, presenting a polemic for it and only providing a brief summary of the traditional position on headship. Of course, if i spent half as much time at least adding some balance to the section then it could be more substantial, and befitting its predominance, but i thought a protest over the slant was fitting before any changes were made. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus ( talk) 02:05, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I think the introduction to this article could use some sources to back up many of the claims that are made and to direct people to places for more information/greater understanding. The claims are all mostly good but there is no harm in expanding the bibliography for this article; more sources will facilitate learning for those who want to go beyond what is provided in the text. There is no reason why the introduction here could not be as adorned with references as other similar articles. Säadtrain ( talk) 02:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I also think it is better to have a lede sentence without a direct quotation but with a citation/citations. Säadtrain ( talk) 03:44, 4 November 2010 (UTC) http://4a4b.wikispaces.com/file/view/Religious_symbols.jpg/90527231/Religious_symbols.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.180.32.13 ( talk) 14:41, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the picture that located on the top of the page is named "Misalliance", so I think that it can't represent a typical Christian wedding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plankalkulist ( talk • contribs) 13:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
I have moved some material here from the article on Monogamy in Christianity for several reasons and I thought I would summarize my thinking.
I don't like this section in the lead: "The Bible holds that sex is reserved for marriage. It says that sex outside of marriage is the sin of adultery (for the married person) if either sexual participant is married to another person. Voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other is considered the sin of fornication." It doesn't. People have interpreted parts of the Bible to support that reading (and it may be that it is the mainstream view of christian churches). But nowhere does it explicitly say you must only have sex within marriage (and look at the old testament patriarchs for a start!) Nowhere does it talk about the sin of fornication. We need to nuance this sentence. Suggestions welcome. Contaldo80 ( talk) 11:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I had made an edit to expand discussion of family headship, as this is a vital issue. An editor reverted this suggestion because the subject was already covered. Not true. There is some discussion in subsections of Protestantism but the subject is really broader and covers all denominations. We need this covered much better than it is now. Rlsheehan ( talk) 00:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Given the inclusion of a same sex section isn't it appropriate to note that most denominations retain the position that homosexual relationships are non-scriptural? As it reads for now it sounds like most churches view such relationships neutrally, which is obviously not true. Simply a matter of adjusting the paragraph lead ins. Just throwing the idea out for consideration. ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.4.1 ( talk) 12:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I can't find anything in the article (or anywhere else on wikipedia) that addresses Christian views on interracial marriage. Could some people work on adding something? Most churches permit it now but 200 years ago, things were much different. We could focus on arguments for/against and how they changed over time-- 173.49.255.8 ( talk) 02:36, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
As part of the continuing effort to present a lop sided article that favors the egalitarian view, a user named Afaprof01 insisted on including the statement that `"Nowhere in the [[New Testament is there a requirement for a wife to obey her husband," and then gives a one sides argument regarding this in the lead, which, besides the absurdity of "Nowhere..," it is presented as a acknowledged common fact, not as an argument from an egalitarian source.
I changed it to provide a balanced presentation, and moved it to where both sides are dealt with, with references, but which Afaprof01 could not tolerate and insists it is a fact.
While this is not the place to argue the issue itself, yet as Afaprof01 basis for his one sided assertion is that it is a fact, i provide the following which are invoked by the complementarian side, which at the least shows that "Nowhere in the [[New Testament is there a requirement for a wife to obey her husband," not a commonly accepted fact:
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. " (Ephesians 5:22-24) "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. " (Colossians 3:18) "To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. " (Titus 2:5) "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. " (1 Corinthians 11:3) "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. " (1 Corinthians 14:34-35) "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. " (1 Timothy 2:11-12) Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus ( talk) 19:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
The issue was that you asserted, without any qualification or counter view, and in the lead section no less, that nowhere in the NT is there a requirement for a wife to obey her husband. And then, when i made the effort to clarify that it was an argument and in which the basic view of the opposing party was included, you simply undid it without making an effort to correct the onesided assertion. This not what WP is sppsd to example
And yes i am aware that the heavily relied upon Stagg is a baptist theologian, while some others disagree with him, but my POV comment was in regards to an assertion being made without qualifying that it was an argument, regardless of your insistence that it is a fact.
I can understand how it takes blood, sweat and tears to negate the plain teaching of male headship, and we are not supposed to turn this into a forum debate here, and your arguments are poor ones, but though little more should need to be said, i have responded to egalitarian contentions here and here, and which are akin to those for homosexual relations also dealt with. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus ( talk) 00:29, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
However, I will briefly respond to your arguments here, which illustrate the two sides the article describes.
Regarding a supposed "vast difference between "submit" and "obey," that is absurd. The one who obeys is submitting, and the one who submits is obeying. Thus demons were subject the apostles in obeying them, (Lk. 10:17) believers are to be subject to rulers, (1Pt. 2:14) and Christ submitted to and thus obeyed the Father, and will be in subjection to Him forever, (1Cor. 15:27,28) and likewise the church is in subjection to Christ as its head, and Paul says likewise wives are to submit to their head. All are first called to submit to each other in general, having a servants heart, rather than seeking to dominate, but there is an order given in which there is leadership to which obedience is enjoimned.
Invoking slavery as an escape clause will not work, a whiles the commonality is that both were called to submission/obedience, yet its foundation is not based on Genesis and creation or the Fall, and thus is not based on gender or race, and freedom was possible, and they are encouraged to obtain freedom if lawfully able, (1Cor. 7:21) and which Paul obtained for Philemon. Egalatarians can only wish Paul likewise encouraged wives to escape being in subjection to their head.
Your assertion that we have no "exception clause" for submission that overules obedience to a husband commanding a women to do unspeakable things, is as untenable as saying women are not commanded to obey their husbands. You profess that you are not unlearned, yet it is quite manifest in Scripture than any obedience to man is conditional, and allows and even requires disobedience in instances when it requires acting contrary to God's word. And the earliest example of this was that of the midwives disobeying Pharaoh's order to commit infanticide. The church itself was born in dissent, and disobeyed the will of the rulers who forbade preaching the gospel, as must many believers today.
And yes, we are called to wash each other's feet, the question being whether this is a ritual ordinance, or meaning hospitality which may literally include it.
As for the shellfish argument, this ignores the covenantal distinctions, whereas male headship is affirmed under both covenants, based on creational distinctions which reflect the order within the Godhead. The attempt to argue that Paul and Peter were trying to protect the members of the fragile newly-formed Church from being an embarrassment, is itself an embarrassment, and would negate the basis given for it. The nature of such attempts end up disallowing any coherent moral code in Scripture.
As for equating women teaching little children with teaching men, children themselves are to be in subjection/obedience to parents, plural, and in some things women will instruct men, but the male is the head in both instances. And unlike children, husbands are not commanded to be in subjection to wives as their head, while yet being servants in leading. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus ( talk) 00:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
If Holy Matrimony links to this topic, it should at least be discussed. The difference between "holy matrimony" and simple "matrimony" is the obvious, the word "holy".
As anything that is dedicated to God and serve's God's purpose is made holy, so too does a priest bless and make holy marriages between men and woman. Unlike other unions, Christians believe only a man and woman's marriage can serve God's purposes, procreation.
The article stats regarding the New Testament; "it calls voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons the sin of fornication."
This is simply not so. Persons interpret it as stating this, but it does not directly state this, nor even necessarily imply it. Rather, it portrays prostituting oneself, whatever the form of reward, as fornication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.254.232 ( talk) 00:35, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
The POV of this article is rightly questioned with little academic evidence on a supposed "mainstream" view on what the NT teaches concerning πορνεία with no distinction from what the mere Anglo-speaking tradition understands "fornication" to be. I advise to consult a serious commentary on matters like 1 Corinthians 6-7 and advise to engage in actual word studies in the original languages and not writing articles with the premise "I am guessing ...". The last sentence of the lead of this article is an academic disgrace ("It calls sex outside of marriage the sin of adultery (for the married person) if EITHER sexual participant is married to another person, while it calls voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons the SIN of FORNICATION."). The NT does not address modern pre-marital sex because it does not know of it. 1 Corinthians 25-38 assumes that young people always are engaged and fornication in this context may be any number of things, most likely engaging with prostitutes which, interestingly enough, is in need of a very thorough ethical argument against it in chapter 6. Also, specifically 1 Corinthians 7,10 and 39 are evidence of a patriarchal perspective that nowhere excludes polygyny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 ( talk) 12:36, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
A recent revert on Christian views of marriage, rather than trying to address the longstanding POV issues cited on the talk page:
1. Removed a POV tag without discussion.
2. Referred to another's edits as "massively POV" while restoring for instance a sentence claiming that Jesus made a particular claim. Rather than that Jesus is recorded in the New Testament to have made a particular claim. I can't imagine a worse POV error than that. It did not cite any actual "massively POV" statement, didn't cite any on the talk page, and made the article more POV in the following ways at least:
3. Removed clearly factual statements with references.
4. Could have, but did not, improve the hatnote distinguishing "Biblical" from "Christian" views, which you must acknowledge are required, from this reference alone: [1]
5. Did all this with a clearly Christian-POV user name. Which, if nothing else, discourages persons not of Christian faith from fixing the POV problems and kind of signals a Christian mafia is going to revert edits without discussion that seriously challenge some dogma or other, or bring up uncomfortable history.
6. Removed utterly innocuous factual statements about divorce that are clearly referenced in other articles in Wikipedia. As the article stands it pretends that divorce was always permitted on compassionate grounds, which is just plain historical denial. It's grossly POV to deny that divorce was forbidden until the 20th century by most Christian sects, nor that it continues to carry stigma, guilt and shame, all that must be acknowledged clearly in the passages about divorce.
7. Removed distinctions between Christian sects that do not agree on key questions like divorce or same-sex marriage. As if the majority view must be correct within Christianity.
8. Removed distinctions between civil and religious marriage and the extremely brief historical mention of the Theodosian Code and modern same sex marriage rulings in former Roman Empire countries.
If this happens again, serious sanctions should be invoked. There is no room in Wikipedia for Christian POV warriors trying to whitewash Christianity nor any other religion.
The language reverted was moderate, factual and fair. Overt fair statements that would call the morality of Christianity into account - for instance calling it a hate cult that made it a high priority in the 4th century to hunt down and murder good citizens who happened to have same sex marriages - have not been included.
The hatnote does need improvement and perhaps a separate Biblical view of marriage page needs to be created to debunk the idea that there is any such view.
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I removed the following paragraph from the Old Testament subsection because it reeked of OR and had no inline citations. That being said, I'm not at all convinced that it is factually inaccurate. So I'm pasting it here for easier retrieval if anyone can find good sources to support it. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 14:29, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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@ UVie2ien: are you stating that bishop Gregory is an imbecile? For that is the implication of your edit summary. May I remind you that Sola Scriptura is heresy for the Eastern Orthodox churches? Also, the WP:BLOGS of alt-right loons do not pass for reliable sources inside Wikipedia. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 17:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
The section "Egalitarians" has 1550 words.
The section "Complementarians" has 736 words.
The section "Biblical patriarchy" has 676 words.
The introduction of these sections are trying to defend "egals" in context of the others.
This entire section is clearly biased to support a single perspective. This contradicts the idea of Wikipedia being a encyclopedia -- not advancing a particular viewpoint or agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.155.12.234 ( talk) 06:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
162.155.12.234 ( talk) 06:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
The first sentence says: "From the earliest days of the Christian faith, Christians have honored holy matrimony (as Christian marriages are referred to) as a divinely blessed, lifelong, monogamous union, between a man and a woman." [bold added here and below]
Later at [ [2]] we have:
'Marriage was officially recognized as a sacrament at the 1184 Council of Verona. Before then, no specific ritual was prescribed for celebrating a marriage: "Marriage vows did not have to be exchanged in a church, nor was a priest's presence required. A couple could exchange consent anywhere, anytime." '
and
"The Catholic Church allowed marriages to take place inside churches only starting with the 16th century, beforehand religious marriages happened on the porch of the church."
So, it seems that for about half the time Christianity has existed marriage was not recognised as a sacrament, and the Church did not seem to be involved; and for another quarter of the time marriage was not allowed in the main part of the church building.
So for only one quarter of the time of Christianity's existence have marriages happened (or been allowed to happen) in a church.
So, from these those statements, the impression I get is that early Christianity was possibly actually opposed to marriage, or not interested in it. The is somewhat different to the impression given by the first sentence.
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will my wife be special to me in heaven? Mathew22:30, Mathew16:19, Luke 20:29-38 73.2.43.169 ( talk) 21:52, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
We've got Marriage in Hinduism and Marriage in Islam but Jewish views on marriage and Buddhist view of marriage, along with, of course, this article, Christian views on marriage. We don't even have a page on marriage within Daoism!
Why is it of marriage for Buddhism but on for Jews and Christians? Why haven't Hindus and Muslims views on marriage, but rather contain marriage within themselves somehow?
I suggest changing the titles to something more consistent. My vote would go to Marriage in Christianity, etc.
It's not that there's consistency across religions, either. There are pages in Islam as well as Islamic view of pages, for instance.
If there's not going to be consistency across religion or across concept, then what is there exactly? It looks like anarchy to me.
Philologick ( talk) 08:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I get that wikipedia has a strong left-wing bias and is anti-christian etc., but you could at least try not to actively mislead people, especially on pages that aren't part of your agenda. 2600:1700:BA02:36E0:15D0:BE0E:378A:5E3E ( talk) 01:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)