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What does "The most recent American Society for Metabolic & Bariatric Surgery guidelines suggest the position statement on consensus for BMI as an indication for bariatric surgery" even mean?
Do we need a section on anaesthesia for bariatric surgery? Mr croc ( talk) 21:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
"Common problems were gastric dumping syndrome in about 20% (bloatedness and diarrhoea after eating, necessitating small meals," How is this an adverse effect? At least in terms of restrictive surgery the inability to eat large meals is the stated goal of the operation. It may not be enjoyable for the patient but it doesn't belong in a section on complications any more than 'loss of a limb' would belong in a section on the complications of amputation. Danikat ( talk) 10:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
So what IS Bariatric Surgery? There seems to be no definition, and this should appear in the lead paragraph. Fiddle Faddle 08:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
A systematic review predating the 2007 studies: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/292/14/1724 JFW | T@lk 01:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
There are new studies including "Death Rates and Causes of Death After Bariatric Surgery for Pennsylvania Residents, 1995 to 2004," that call into question some of the content of this article, specifically about the mortality rates arising from bariatric surgery. See:
http://archsurg.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/142/10/923.pdf
Xsub1 (
talk) 02:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)xsub1
obesity means you are larger in size; you're fat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.93.254 ( talk) 13:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
make sure to head over to the page on body-lenght and point out that short people have a limited height. i'm sure everybody is equally confused about that.
What does the recent article http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/02/health/study-suggests-lower-death-risk-for-the-overweight.html, say about the real reduction in mortality rates due to the decrease in BMIs in the 25-35 range? Is it important to include in the bariatric surgery article?
This section is worded awkwardly, and certain phrases don't belong, such as "It may offer the effective surgery free weight loss" and "Since the preceding paragraphs, the procedure's won the European CE Mark of Approval". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mystere ( talk • contribs) 01:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I have made serious edits to this article. Until the removed information and links are discussed here, they do not belong in the main space. Flowanda | Talk 09:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Why were the edits updating info on the endoluminal sleeve including clinical trials on a new product that uses this method deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.9.195.37 ( talk) 06:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
IceDragon64 ( talk) 14:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Good review article. I think the significant phrase is "short term":
Clinical Review State of the Art Review
Bariatric surgery for obesity and metabolic conditions in adults
BMJ 2014; 349 doi:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmj.g3961 (Published 27 August 2014) Cite this as: BMJ 2014;349:g3961
David E Arterburn, associate investigator1,
Anita P Courcoulas, professor of surgery2
Abstract
This review summarizes recent evidence related to the safety, efficacy, and metabolic outcomes of bariatric surgery to guide clinical decision making. Several short term randomized controlled trials have demonstrated the effectiveness of bariatric procedures for inducing weight loss and initial remission of type 2 diabetes. Observational studies have linked bariatric procedures with long term improvements in body weight, type 2 diabetes, survival, cardiovascular events, incident cancer, and quality of life. Perioperative mortality for the average patient is low but varies greatly across subgroups. The incidence of major complications after surgery also varies widely, and emerging data show that some procedures are associated with a greater risk of substance misuse disorders, suicide, and nutritional deficiencies. More research is needed to enable long term outcomes to be compared across various procedures and subpopulations, and to identify those most likely to benefit from surgical intervention. Given uncertainties about the balance between the risks and benefits of bariatric surgery in the long term, the decision to undergo surgery should be based on a high quality shared decision making process.
-- Nbauman ( talk) 22:25, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
| title =Long-term Follow-up After Bariatric Surgery: A Systematic Review
| journal =JAMA.
| date =September 3, 2014
| authors =Nancy Puzziferri, Thomas B. Roshek III, Helen G. Mayo, Ryan Gallagher, Steven H. Belle, Edward H. Livingston
| volume =312
| issue =9
| pages =934-942.
| url =
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1900516
| doi =10.1001/jama.2014.10706.
| pmid =
| pmc =
Conclusions and Relevance. Very few bariatric surgery studies report long-term results with sufficient patient follow-up to minimize biased results. Gastric bypass has better outcomes than gastric band procedures for long-term weight loss, type 2 diabetes control and remission, hypertension, and hyperlipidemia. Insufficient evidence exists regarding long-term outcomes for gastric sleeve resections.
--
Nbauman (
talk) 04:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
References
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The second paragraph of the section on sleeve gastrectomy begins with "This combined approach ..." To this layman, it is not clear what is being combined with what. Later in the paragraph is mention of "the second procedure", adding to the confusion. Can someone clarify this? SDCHS ( talk) 05:12, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello I was trying to provide a balanced description of research about psychological health after surgery and had included this source (#2 below). I looked at it again, and it's a relatively small study of surgical patients (N=36) which found that pre-existing distress may improve in the short term but deteriorate 10 years after surgery [1] The more I looked at it, the more I thought it would give WP:UNDUE weight and therefore didn't think it was vital to include. But the study does suggest the need for better screening and follow up care. I'm leaving it here for discussion and inclusion if warranted. ---- Cityside189 ( talk) 00:48, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
doi:10.1053/j.gastro.2017.01.035 - AGA JFW | T@lk 14:57, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps someone with the right technical/medical knowledge could add a section about SADI-S and SIPS, the new "modified" versions of the duodenal switch? Muzilon ( talk) 11:38, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Edit it or delete it. doesn't fit in with this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.10.252.159 ( talk) 18:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://theslimco.com/blog/body-contouring-non-invasive-ways-to-achieve-a-perfect-body/. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
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Planning to make several edits over the course of the next month (Nov 2022) to this article, including:
--Procedure type section: Will restructure this section to focus on the most commonly used procedures. Will likely remove the structure of restrictive vs. blocking procedures, as these terms likely do not accurately portray the physiology that happens in the gut. Will move the less frequently utilized procedures as a subsection of the "History" Section
--Economic Feasibility: While the article very helpfully describes costs of the procedure, there are a number of review articles that analyze the long-term cost effects of this procedure. This is an important thing to know about the procedure, particularly for certain audiences
--Comparative effectiveness: Many reviews and meta-analyses show that bariatric surgery is more effective than lifestyle interventions or medical weight management as a treatment of obesity. Making this especially clear is very important for both clinicians and patients.
--Future directions for the scientific community: These surgeries have in some cases performed better than expectations, which has increased our understanding of digestive physiology. This section would explore these learnings in more detail. Grahtreas ( talk) 16:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 25 October 2022 and 18 November 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Grahtreas ( article contribs).
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 October 2023 and 19 November 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): CourseAccount2024, Petersonmk18 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Ckyin19.
— Assignment last updated by DLEMERGEBM ( talk) 21:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Address the following in order to improve quality and reliability of the article:
-Lead section (MP or CB)
-Add detail and update data on subsections
-Use peer reviewed review articles and meta-analyses to add updated information on topic
-Add citations to physiology section (CB)
-Improve Adverse Effects section (MP responsible)
-Embed links to other Wiki articles as indicated (MP responsible)
-Expand history section (MP, CB)
-Expand data points for type II DM, fertility, mental health, mortality/morbidity (MP responsible)
-Add section on cardiovascular benefits (MP responsible)
-Significantly expand adverse outcomes section (MP/CB)
-Improve structure
-Evaluate for balanced coverage, neutral content
-Evaluate sources for reliability
-Remove and update sources for newer studies if indicated
Petersonmk18 (
talk) 15:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Sources to check/take out:
· Source 23 doi: 10.7326/0003-4819-142-7-200504050-00013.
· Source 34 doi: 10.1001/jama.294.15.1986
· Source 40 doi: 10.1001/archsurg.141.5.445
· Source 41 doi: 10.1381/096089203322618588
· Source 42 doi: 10.1381/096089202321144522
· Source 53 doi: 10.1097/00000441-200604000-00008
· Source 56 doi: 10.1177/011542650702200129
· Source 59 "Europeans Find Extra Options for Staying Slim"
Source 60
· Source 61 "Gastric Balloon | the Health Clinic UK
· Source 62 Gastric Balloon Surgery: Complete Patient Guide (Annual Gastric Balloon Cost Survey)
· Source 63 "Intestinal Sleeve May Improve Glycemic Control
· Source 67 doi: 10.1016/j.mcna.2007.01.006
· Source 70 doi: 10.1159/000090964
· Source 71 . doi: 10.1159/000090964
Source 72
· Source 82 doi: 10.1542/peds.2005-1141
· Source 83 "Alumni Interview: Edward Mason, M.D" Petersonmk18 ( talk) 16:22, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Upon review of the Wikipedia Manual of Style for Medicine-related articles for "surgeries and procedures," the prior drafts did not follow the suggested format. The headers and sections of the article have been adjusted to accommodate this with: Medical uses, Risks/Complications, Technique, Recovery, History, and Society and Culture sections. CourseAccount2024 ( talk) 14:27, 31 October 2023 (UTC) CourseAccount2024 ( talk) 16:38, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
weight loss
risks and comps
post op comps
kidney stones
technique
rest food intake
dec nutrient absorption
cell signal
roux en y
biliopanc with duod switch
vert band gastroplasty
stomach folding
adjustable gastric band
intragastric balloon
endolum sleebe
implan gastric stimulation
biliopanc diversion
jejunoileal bypass
recovery
dietary recs
fluid recs
family planning
body contour Petersonmk18 ( talk) 16:14, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Might the article discuss the impact of bariatric surgery on diverse ethnic populations? Are there variations in outcomes among different ethnic groups, or is there a particular group more susceptible to long-term complications following weight loss procedures? Cms1982 ( talk) 01:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
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Ideal sources for Wikipedia's health content are defined in the guideline
Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) and are typically
review articles. Here are links to possibly useful sources of information about Bariatric surgery.
|
The contents of the Body contouring page were merged into Bariatric surgery. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
What does "The most recent American Society for Metabolic & Bariatric Surgery guidelines suggest the position statement on consensus for BMI as an indication for bariatric surgery" even mean?
Do we need a section on anaesthesia for bariatric surgery? Mr croc ( talk) 21:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
"Common problems were gastric dumping syndrome in about 20% (bloatedness and diarrhoea after eating, necessitating small meals," How is this an adverse effect? At least in terms of restrictive surgery the inability to eat large meals is the stated goal of the operation. It may not be enjoyable for the patient but it doesn't belong in a section on complications any more than 'loss of a limb' would belong in a section on the complications of amputation. Danikat ( talk) 10:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
So what IS Bariatric Surgery? There seems to be no definition, and this should appear in the lead paragraph. Fiddle Faddle 08:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
A systematic review predating the 2007 studies: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/292/14/1724 JFW | T@lk 01:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
There are new studies including "Death Rates and Causes of Death After Bariatric Surgery for Pennsylvania Residents, 1995 to 2004," that call into question some of the content of this article, specifically about the mortality rates arising from bariatric surgery. See:
http://archsurg.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/142/10/923.pdf
Xsub1 (
talk) 02:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)xsub1
obesity means you are larger in size; you're fat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.93.254 ( talk) 13:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
make sure to head over to the page on body-lenght and point out that short people have a limited height. i'm sure everybody is equally confused about that.
What does the recent article http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/02/health/study-suggests-lower-death-risk-for-the-overweight.html, say about the real reduction in mortality rates due to the decrease in BMIs in the 25-35 range? Is it important to include in the bariatric surgery article?
This section is worded awkwardly, and certain phrases don't belong, such as "It may offer the effective surgery free weight loss" and "Since the preceding paragraphs, the procedure's won the European CE Mark of Approval". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mystere ( talk • contribs) 01:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I have made serious edits to this article. Until the removed information and links are discussed here, they do not belong in the main space. Flowanda | Talk 09:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Why were the edits updating info on the endoluminal sleeve including clinical trials on a new product that uses this method deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.9.195.37 ( talk) 06:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
IceDragon64 ( talk) 14:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Good review article. I think the significant phrase is "short term":
Clinical Review State of the Art Review
Bariatric surgery for obesity and metabolic conditions in adults
BMJ 2014; 349 doi:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmj.g3961 (Published 27 August 2014) Cite this as: BMJ 2014;349:g3961
David E Arterburn, associate investigator1,
Anita P Courcoulas, professor of surgery2
Abstract
This review summarizes recent evidence related to the safety, efficacy, and metabolic outcomes of bariatric surgery to guide clinical decision making. Several short term randomized controlled trials have demonstrated the effectiveness of bariatric procedures for inducing weight loss and initial remission of type 2 diabetes. Observational studies have linked bariatric procedures with long term improvements in body weight, type 2 diabetes, survival, cardiovascular events, incident cancer, and quality of life. Perioperative mortality for the average patient is low but varies greatly across subgroups. The incidence of major complications after surgery also varies widely, and emerging data show that some procedures are associated with a greater risk of substance misuse disorders, suicide, and nutritional deficiencies. More research is needed to enable long term outcomes to be compared across various procedures and subpopulations, and to identify those most likely to benefit from surgical intervention. Given uncertainties about the balance between the risks and benefits of bariatric surgery in the long term, the decision to undergo surgery should be based on a high quality shared decision making process.
-- Nbauman ( talk) 22:25, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
| title =Long-term Follow-up After Bariatric Surgery: A Systematic Review
| journal =JAMA.
| date =September 3, 2014
| authors =Nancy Puzziferri, Thomas B. Roshek III, Helen G. Mayo, Ryan Gallagher, Steven H. Belle, Edward H. Livingston
| volume =312
| issue =9
| pages =934-942.
| url =
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1900516
| doi =10.1001/jama.2014.10706.
| pmid =
| pmc =
Conclusions and Relevance. Very few bariatric surgery studies report long-term results with sufficient patient follow-up to minimize biased results. Gastric bypass has better outcomes than gastric band procedures for long-term weight loss, type 2 diabetes control and remission, hypertension, and hyperlipidemia. Insufficient evidence exists regarding long-term outcomes for gastric sleeve resections.
--
Nbauman (
talk) 04:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
References
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cite journal}}
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help)
The second paragraph of the section on sleeve gastrectomy begins with "This combined approach ..." To this layman, it is not clear what is being combined with what. Later in the paragraph is mention of "the second procedure", adding to the confusion. Can someone clarify this? SDCHS ( talk) 05:12, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello I was trying to provide a balanced description of research about psychological health after surgery and had included this source (#2 below). I looked at it again, and it's a relatively small study of surgical patients (N=36) which found that pre-existing distress may improve in the short term but deteriorate 10 years after surgery [1] The more I looked at it, the more I thought it would give WP:UNDUE weight and therefore didn't think it was vital to include. But the study does suggest the need for better screening and follow up care. I'm leaving it here for discussion and inclusion if warranted. ---- Cityside189 ( talk) 00:48, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
doi:10.1053/j.gastro.2017.01.035 - AGA JFW | T@lk 14:57, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps someone with the right technical/medical knowledge could add a section about SADI-S and SIPS, the new "modified" versions of the duodenal switch? Muzilon ( talk) 11:38, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Edit it or delete it. doesn't fit in with this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.10.252.159 ( talk) 18:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://theslimco.com/blog/body-contouring-non-invasive-ways-to-achieve-a-perfect-body/. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, providing it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. BiologicalMe ( talk) 18:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Planning to make several edits over the course of the next month (Nov 2022) to this article, including:
--Procedure type section: Will restructure this section to focus on the most commonly used procedures. Will likely remove the structure of restrictive vs. blocking procedures, as these terms likely do not accurately portray the physiology that happens in the gut. Will move the less frequently utilized procedures as a subsection of the "History" Section
--Economic Feasibility: While the article very helpfully describes costs of the procedure, there are a number of review articles that analyze the long-term cost effects of this procedure. This is an important thing to know about the procedure, particularly for certain audiences
--Comparative effectiveness: Many reviews and meta-analyses show that bariatric surgery is more effective than lifestyle interventions or medical weight management as a treatment of obesity. Making this especially clear is very important for both clinicians and patients.
--Future directions for the scientific community: These surgeries have in some cases performed better than expectations, which has increased our understanding of digestive physiology. This section would explore these learnings in more detail. Grahtreas ( talk) 16:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 25 October 2022 and 18 November 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Grahtreas ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Grahtreas ( talk) 12:59, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 October 2023 and 19 November 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): CourseAccount2024, Petersonmk18 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Ckyin19.
— Assignment last updated by DLEMERGEBM ( talk) 21:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Address the following in order to improve quality and reliability of the article:
-Lead section (MP or CB)
-Add detail and update data on subsections
-Use peer reviewed review articles and meta-analyses to add updated information on topic
-Add citations to physiology section (CB)
-Improve Adverse Effects section (MP responsible)
-Embed links to other Wiki articles as indicated (MP responsible)
-Expand history section (MP, CB)
-Expand data points for type II DM, fertility, mental health, mortality/morbidity (MP responsible)
-Add section on cardiovascular benefits (MP responsible)
-Significantly expand adverse outcomes section (MP/CB)
-Improve structure
-Evaluate for balanced coverage, neutral content
-Evaluate sources for reliability
-Remove and update sources for newer studies if indicated
Petersonmk18 (
talk) 15:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Sources to check/take out:
· Source 23 doi: 10.7326/0003-4819-142-7-200504050-00013.
· Source 34 doi: 10.1001/jama.294.15.1986
· Source 40 doi: 10.1001/archsurg.141.5.445
· Source 41 doi: 10.1381/096089203322618588
· Source 42 doi: 10.1381/096089202321144522
· Source 53 doi: 10.1097/00000441-200604000-00008
· Source 56 doi: 10.1177/011542650702200129
· Source 59 "Europeans Find Extra Options for Staying Slim"
Source 60
· Source 61 "Gastric Balloon | the Health Clinic UK
· Source 62 Gastric Balloon Surgery: Complete Patient Guide (Annual Gastric Balloon Cost Survey)
· Source 63 "Intestinal Sleeve May Improve Glycemic Control
· Source 67 doi: 10.1016/j.mcna.2007.01.006
· Source 70 doi: 10.1159/000090964
· Source 71 . doi: 10.1159/000090964
Source 72
· Source 82 doi: 10.1542/peds.2005-1141
· Source 83 "Alumni Interview: Edward Mason, M.D" Petersonmk18 ( talk) 16:22, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Upon review of the Wikipedia Manual of Style for Medicine-related articles for "surgeries and procedures," the prior drafts did not follow the suggested format. The headers and sections of the article have been adjusted to accommodate this with: Medical uses, Risks/Complications, Technique, Recovery, History, and Society and Culture sections. CourseAccount2024 ( talk) 14:27, 31 October 2023 (UTC) CourseAccount2024 ( talk) 16:38, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
weight loss
risks and comps
post op comps
kidney stones
technique
rest food intake
dec nutrient absorption
cell signal
roux en y
biliopanc with duod switch
vert band gastroplasty
stomach folding
adjustable gastric band
intragastric balloon
endolum sleebe
implan gastric stimulation
biliopanc diversion
jejunoileal bypass
recovery
dietary recs
fluid recs
family planning
body contour Petersonmk18 ( talk) 16:14, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Might the article discuss the impact of bariatric surgery on diverse ethnic populations? Are there variations in outcomes among different ethnic groups, or is there a particular group more susceptible to long-term complications following weight loss procedures? Cms1982 ( talk) 01:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC)