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Is there a significant difference between those two concepts? They seem highly related to me. Of course, in our article structure (and common sense logic),
harassment one of several more specific types of
abuse, but I am unsure if scholarly literature distinguishes power abuse from power harassment. Thoughts? Sources? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 08:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Mr. Guye:Power harassment in Japan may, and likely is, a notable subarticle if someone wanted to expand it into one (like
Gabjil). My point is that that as a theoretical concept, I don't see sufficient grounds to distinguish those concepts. Bullying, generally speaking, is one of the forms of abuse of power, but until someone expands the other article, I think readers would be better of finding one centralized discussion. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 09:49, 10 July 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Piotrus: Then I think we should narrow the scope of "Power harassment" to only Japan, with Gapjil under "See also". I haven't found much discussion of the term "Power harassment" outside of the context of Japanese workplaces. Thus,
Power harassment in Japan would be redundant, as "power harassment" is already a concept discussed only in Japan. —Mr. Guye (
talk) (
contribs) 16:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Mr. Guye: Considering
[17], perhaps we should rename the Japanese article to
power hara? The problem is that it is currently written is such a way as to imply that the
power harassment articles should cover more then just Japan. I am fine with a separate Japan article, but it should not confuse editors and invite addition of section on other countries. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 16:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Piotrus: I'm ok with "power hara" that as long as you can find more sources referring to it that way. But what I was thinking is we should reorganize the article to clarify that this is a Japanese concept. So the lead would start with something similar to:
@
Piotrus: I think, as I said before, that "power harassment" is workplace bullying motivated by
rankism, so it is usually done by managers against subordinates (instead of a peer harassing a peer because they talk differently or something). Both of these sources
[22][23] (and I'm sure other sources) say that this has cultural origins. Also, I'm not sure if we should proceed yet; technically only two people have participated in this discussion. We may need more
consensus. —Mr. Guye (
talk) (
contribs) 21:52, 10 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose: A person could use a position of authority or power (ex. Bank manager, company CEO, treasurer) to embezzle money without harassing anyone.
Otr500 (
talk) 00:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)reply
’’’Support’’’: in the same way that “-gate” is used as a suffix in English vernacular to denote some sort of scandal, in Japan, “-hara” is tacked onto a word (or more often, a two-syllable abbreviation of a word) to denote some specific type of harassment. Starting with “seku-hara” (sexual harassment), some other common ones that come to mind are “mata-hara” (maternity harassment, i.e. discrimination against a pregnant woman), “mora-hara” (morale harassment, i.e. bullying to reduce someone’s morale), “aru-hara” (alcohol harassment, forcing workmates to drink more than they want to). It gets more ridiculous, with the Japanese Wikipedia having such submarine examples as “owa-hara”, short for “owarase-harassment”, literally translating as “forcing to stop harassment”, which refers to companies forcing a potential graduate recruit to stop their job hunting as a condition of offering them a position. The English Wikipedia does not need to parrot these neologisms, including “power harassment”, so I support the merge in this case.
AtHomeIn神戸 (
talk) 11:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose on the grounds that a different target is more appropriate. I agree with
Otr500 that the scope of the articles doesn't match, and agree with
AtHomeIn神戸 that this term Japanese-use term would be better discussed elsewhere, but suggest that better targets would be as a section on
Workplace bullying or perhaps the slightly broader
Abusive power and control (covering also scope beyond the workplace.
Klbrain (
talk) 05:25, 6 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Template removal
This discussion was clearly against the requested move, that was suggested in December 2017, so I am going to remove the merge template. This will also clear the way for any future discussions.
Otr500 (
talk) 06:20, 6 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Strong support: There is a one-sentence explanation of the semantic difference, and sources online indicate to me that "abuse of authority" is a term used more in the context of the private workplace than in the context of governmental corruption, but I support a temporary merge until notability is proven and content can be verified. —Mr. Guye (
talk) (
contribs) 18:17, 9 July 2018 (UTC)reply
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Is there a significant difference between those two concepts? They seem highly related to me. Of course, in our article structure (and common sense logic),
harassment one of several more specific types of
abuse, but I am unsure if scholarly literature distinguishes power abuse from power harassment. Thoughts? Sources? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 08:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Mr. Guye:Power harassment in Japan may, and likely is, a notable subarticle if someone wanted to expand it into one (like
Gabjil). My point is that that as a theoretical concept, I don't see sufficient grounds to distinguish those concepts. Bullying, generally speaking, is one of the forms of abuse of power, but until someone expands the other article, I think readers would be better of finding one centralized discussion. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 09:49, 10 July 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Piotrus: Then I think we should narrow the scope of "Power harassment" to only Japan, with Gapjil under "See also". I haven't found much discussion of the term "Power harassment" outside of the context of Japanese workplaces. Thus,
Power harassment in Japan would be redundant, as "power harassment" is already a concept discussed only in Japan. —Mr. Guye (
talk) (
contribs) 16:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Mr. Guye: Considering
[17], perhaps we should rename the Japanese article to
power hara? The problem is that it is currently written is such a way as to imply that the
power harassment articles should cover more then just Japan. I am fine with a separate Japan article, but it should not confuse editors and invite addition of section on other countries. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 16:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Piotrus: I'm ok with "power hara" that as long as you can find more sources referring to it that way. But what I was thinking is we should reorganize the article to clarify that this is a Japanese concept. So the lead would start with something similar to:
@
Piotrus: I think, as I said before, that "power harassment" is workplace bullying motivated by
rankism, so it is usually done by managers against subordinates (instead of a peer harassing a peer because they talk differently or something). Both of these sources
[22][23] (and I'm sure other sources) say that this has cultural origins. Also, I'm not sure if we should proceed yet; technically only two people have participated in this discussion. We may need more
consensus. —Mr. Guye (
talk) (
contribs) 21:52, 10 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose: A person could use a position of authority or power (ex. Bank manager, company CEO, treasurer) to embezzle money without harassing anyone.
Otr500 (
talk) 00:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)reply
’’’Support’’’: in the same way that “-gate” is used as a suffix in English vernacular to denote some sort of scandal, in Japan, “-hara” is tacked onto a word (or more often, a two-syllable abbreviation of a word) to denote some specific type of harassment. Starting with “seku-hara” (sexual harassment), some other common ones that come to mind are “mata-hara” (maternity harassment, i.e. discrimination against a pregnant woman), “mora-hara” (morale harassment, i.e. bullying to reduce someone’s morale), “aru-hara” (alcohol harassment, forcing workmates to drink more than they want to). It gets more ridiculous, with the Japanese Wikipedia having such submarine examples as “owa-hara”, short for “owarase-harassment”, literally translating as “forcing to stop harassment”, which refers to companies forcing a potential graduate recruit to stop their job hunting as a condition of offering them a position. The English Wikipedia does not need to parrot these neologisms, including “power harassment”, so I support the merge in this case.
AtHomeIn神戸 (
talk) 11:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose on the grounds that a different target is more appropriate. I agree with
Otr500 that the scope of the articles doesn't match, and agree with
AtHomeIn神戸 that this term Japanese-use term would be better discussed elsewhere, but suggest that better targets would be as a section on
Workplace bullying or perhaps the slightly broader
Abusive power and control (covering also scope beyond the workplace.
Klbrain (
talk) 05:25, 6 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Template removal
This discussion was clearly against the requested move, that was suggested in December 2017, so I am going to remove the merge template. This will also clear the way for any future discussions.
Otr500 (
talk) 06:20, 6 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Strong support: There is a one-sentence explanation of the semantic difference, and sources online indicate to me that "abuse of authority" is a term used more in the context of the private workplace than in the context of governmental corruption, but I support a temporary merge until notability is proven and content can be verified. —Mr. Guye (
talk) (
contribs) 18:17, 9 July 2018 (UTC)reply