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Duncharris, the NPOV tag incorporates text that says, "See discussion on the talk page". But there's no discussion. Can you elaborate, please? I don't see anything particularly non-neutral here. I agree that Wilder-Smith's views are controversial. But the article seems quite careful to neither agree nor disagree with those views. In what way is the article biased, in your view?
Perhaps I should have simply removed the NPOV tag, but I'm curious to find out what the problem is. ACW 20:39, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I read one of his books about twenty years ago- heard him give a lecture somewhere in Houston, Texas. He was well-spoken, but seemed to me (an evolutionist) to have nothing new to say. Nevertheless, the article seems accurate to me. Whether he was as "famous" as some other creationists is hard to say; though that seems beside the point from what I understand of Wikipedia.-- JohnRodgers 04:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
The problem is that for many evolutionist there is nothing real new, because in their opinion, everything is already said - evolution is a fact, only the details have to be discussed/discovered. That is a great mistake. By the way, Wilder Smith was not a kind of scientist whose books or lectures had the kind of "nothing new", he killed evolution just at the root - and this is surely one fact why people do not want to know him.--Sebastian Hirsch (alias Seppel) 21:21, 5 February 2006
Article edited as part of work on the NPOV backlog. Since the article appears non-controversial and the discussion here seems to reflect that, and since there has been no discussion in a long time suggesting further disagreement, the tag is removed. If you disagree with this, please re-tag the article with {{NPOV}} and post to Talk. -- Steve Hart 17:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Steve Hart 19:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm on the pro-evolution side, but I agree with Steve Hart's action. Having said that, I'd like to point out some things in this article that raise my hackles a little bit. This hackle-raising is not of a sufficient level to make my NPOV-finger itch; it's just slightly annoying, and I wonder if I could get the cooperation of an evolution-skeptic or even a creationist to come up with wordings that would increase our total comfort with this article.
The article itself avoids stating an opinion about Wilder-Smith, because all the opinions that it contains are safely placed in the mouths of others, either explicitly (as in the extensive quote from Professor von Stockhausen), or implicitly ("widely recognized by creationists as ..."). If any of these opinions were espoused by the article itself, that would be clear NPOV; as it stands, neutrality is preserved at least in principle.
Notice that the article gives no disapproving opinions of Wilder-Smith, nor any links to sites critical of his opinions. The closest it comes is to note that Wilder-Smith's team lost a debate on votes. I should go find some countervailing quotes; I think about a hundred words on the other side would do a great deal to relieve the vague (vague, I said!) sense of bias that I still get from this article.
(Also ... that Stockhausen is really windy. Do we need all of it?)
ACW 21:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
This may be of utility if anyone wants to add some "criticism" section or something like it. A quite disgusting citation from one of his books:
Which cannot be said to be a lie, since there are no such intermediates, but is surely dishonest, or at least, being overly optimistic, a signal of hardly believable incompentence from someone with his resumé (just in case someone does not understands why, read the text in the link I gave; shortly, this specific intermediate is not predicted by evolutionary theories, but could be for creationisms, ironically). I think that we may found even creationist criticism against this sort of blatant dishonesty, more or less like AiG's site with "arguments we think creationists should not use". -- Extremophile 04:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I moved the following paragraph to here. It claims that the tracks had been forged by creationists, but the reference for the forgery is only talking about the origin of a tooth, which was found near the footprints. I haven't read the other reference yet, but until this is sorted out and correctly formulated, it shouldn't be in the article. A possible misinterpretation is not a forgery. And just trusting and citing the researchers that might have misinterpreted the evidences is not worthy to be mentioned as a criticism about A. E. Wilder-Smith. If there is something about Wilder-Smith's own research then this is a good base for criticism in this article (e.g. about the pre-evolutionary origin from simple atoms/molecules to molecule systems, which can reproduce itself with variations).
He was criticized by scientists over his claims that dinosaur and human footprints existed at Paluxy River in Dinosaur Valley State Park. [1] These supposed tracks were later discovered to have been forged by creationists who tried to claim humans and dinosaurs lived together. [2]
Also the next sentence is not correct. The NCSE did not examine the work of Wilder-Smith in general, but only a review of one book. This book was primarily focused on the pre-evolution phase (biogenesis, origin of life) as also stated on the referenced site. But the scientific criticism only targets on the evolution criticism and how evolution is represented in this book, which was 17 years old at the time of the NCSE examination.
According to the National Center for Science Education, Wilder-Smith's work contains a variety of falsehoods and errors. [3] -- 77.132.185.204 ( talk) 13:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
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The article contains the statement, sourced to his CV, that he was a "NATO three-star general". However his biography (on the same site as his CV) makes no mention of military service (and how do you get to be a "three-star general" without extensive military service?). I suspect that the claim is hoax. I think this also calls into question the reliability of his CV as a source. Hrafn Talk Stalk 09:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The problems with that would be:
In summation this appears to be most likely a misreading of Wilder-Smith's account of the influence of this general as him being the general, that has spread as an 'urban myth' over the internet. Hrafn Talk Stalk 18:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
From Oxford Atheist to Leading Creationist (which is the most comprehensive biography I've come across to date) makes frequent mention of this 'influential retired general' but none of any stint in the army by Wilder-Smith. On the basis of this, I'm removing the "NATO three-star general" claim, and tagging the CV as an unreliable source for making it. Hrafn Talk Stalk 18:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
WILDER SMITH, Arthur Ernest, b. 22 Dec. 1915. Reading, England. Professor of Pharmacology; Consultant, m. Beate Gottwaldt, 1950. 3 sons. 1 daughter. Education: PhD, Organic Chemistry, University of Reading 1941 ; FRIC, London 1946; DSc. Geneva, Switzerland 1965; Confed Tech. University Zurich, 1964; [...] Consultant on Drug Abuse, NATO Forces, Europe & Middle East (equivalent Lieutenant General); Consultant on Drug Abuse, Switzerland 1971 Publications include: "Die Erschaffung des Lebens" [...].
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people listen!!! you are ripping apart a great guy, why do you care so much about this so much all you doing is hurting people —Preceding unsigned comment added by Godlover32795 ( talk • contribs) 19:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I've blocked 173.52.33.26 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) for a week for repeatedly copy-pasting material from http://www.wildersmith.org/ to this article. Gabbe ( talk) 13:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
This edit appears to be a direct copy of this page marked © 2002 Dr. Wilder-Smith. All Rights Reserved. TheresaWilson ( talk) 10:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I am very disappointed in this article. Like many others articles in Wikipedia there seems to be a bias toward those who challenge the modern evolutionary synthesis whether they be creationist or ID theorist. The article seems to be preoccupied with the fact that he believed there were human tracks in the Paluxy river area, as well as referencing others in the scientific community who disagree but are given the benefit of doubt in having the final word. Wikipedia says that "Wilder-Smith's 1981 work The Natural Sciences Know Nothing of Evolution contains a variety of falsehoods and errors" but this only based on the opinion of Kenneth Christiansen, and Wikipedia makes no attempt to point out any of these so called factual errors.
Even if Wilder was wrong about this the Paluxy river tracks, scientist being wrong sometimes is not uncommon for scientist in general. Even great ones like Einstein, Hawkings and lesser ones like biologist Kenneth Miller have been wrong from time to time, but Wikipedia does not dwell on these examples as they do when they write what are akin to hit pieces by those who are considered creationist whacko's by many in the neo Darwinist vein. Wilder Smith was not a whacko. He was a man who was loved and admired by many, and greatly respected even by many of his own adversaries. I think its not only a diservice to those who seek information using Wikipedia, but it's just unprofessional in terms of this publications bias towards certain individuals. Wikipedia could have at least included his famous 1986 Oxford debate with Richard Dawkins where Dawkins pleaded with the audience not to vote for Wilder on the the debate. To whom it may concern, I would like to offer you the accomplishments of this man since Wikipedia has been derelict in its duties to do so.
A..E. Wilder-Smith studied natural sciences at Oxford, England. He received his first doctorate in Physical Organic Chemistry at Reading University, England, 1941. During World War II, he joined the Research department of ICI in England. After the war, he became Countess of Lisburne Memorial Fellow at the University of London. Subsequently, Dr. Wilder-Smith was appointed Director of Research for a Swiss pharmaceutical company. Later he was elected to teach Chemotherapy and Pharmacology at the Medical School of the University of Geneva for which position he received his "habitation" (the senior examination required for professorial appointments to European continental universities). At Geneva, he earned his second doctorate, followed by a third doctorate from the ETH (a senior university in Switzerland) in Zurich. In 1957-1958 Wilder-Smith was Visiting Assistant Professor at the Medical Centre of the University of Illinois, 1959-1961 Visting Full Professor of Pharmacology of the University of Bergen Medical School in Norway. After a further two years at the University of Geneva, he was appointed Full Professor of Pharmacology at the University of Illinois Medical Centre. Here he received in three succeeding years - three ``Golden Apple Awards" for the best course of lectures, together with four senior lecturer awards for the best series of year lectures. Dr. Wilder-Smith's last Golden Apple award was inscribed, ``He made us not only better scientists, but also better men." End. From his own biography at http://www.wildersmith.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by BENNY BALLEJO ( talk • contribs) 05:20, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
BENNY BALLEJO:
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Kellnerp ( talk) 04:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I read some of A.E. Wilder Smith's books years ago (70s). The argument I remember him for was not Paluxy River. I don't believe he did anything original there and I didn't take him for an anthropologist, geologist or archaeologist. If he did mention it I suspect he was quoting others and not a primary source. I took him for an organic chemist working for a pharmaceutical company because that is what he said his qualifications were in the book. His major argument regarding evolution was in his field and regarded the probability of reversible reactions leading to the molecules that evolution implies where needed to arrive at things like DNA. His conclusion was that there was not enough time or matter in the universe to allow for even simple organic precursors for life to form based on probability. I saw no mention of that in the article on him. To not mention his major claim, but rather to mention a claim that he most likely was quoting as true because the investigation on the topic was not completed at the time is certainly biased. He certainly raised some valid questions in the debate that people have been trying to answer for years.
Kellnerp ( talk) 15:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
I will be looking at The Creationists shortly. Regarding the Paluxy River footprints I find the wording of the article misleading. That article states, "In 1965 he published a book which promoted discredited claims that dinosaur and human footprints existed together at Paluxy River." However, in looking for evidence of the discrediting of these claims I came across DINOSAUR TRACKS AND GIANT MEN by Berny Neufeld [1] and The Taylor Site "Man Tracks" by Glen J. Kuban [2] . They were published in 1975 and 1986 respectively. The wording of the sentence makes it appear that he intentionally supported claims that were known by him to be discredited. In Neufeld's work he attributes the "man tracks" to the possibility that "...tracks were both excavated and carved as a source of income during the depression years. Both of these collections may well be carvings from that period." Kuban does not address the source of the carved tracks, just stating that he found one. Further, Wilder-Smith was not a paleontologist and was likely just parroting what was apparently a widely held view of the time without the benefit of the further studies that would take place later.
Further there is some dispute about the current condition of the tracks and the possibility that they have been changed by evolutionists or by rapid erosion. [3] Kuban claimed to have done compression analysis of the tracks. The Creation Evidence Museum explains the carved tracks and states that human-like tracks have been found that do show compression of underlying layers [4] leaving this line of dispute in a controversial state.
There are primary sources for his abiogenesis argument such as lecture audio. In reading some of the evolution sites, those arguments don't rightly fit into the evolutionist's definition of evolution because they state that evolution does not purport to explain where the first cells originated. Somehow it appears that evolutionists are moving away from the primordial soup kitchen.
There are numerous publications and original works by A.E. Wilder-Smith from his days as an organic chemist. There is no mention of those.
Kellnerp ( talk) 17:46, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
(i)Ronnie Hastings wrote a detailed history of the Paluxy river mantracks. [5]He puts the original discovery of the site back as far as 1917 (Schuler, 1917). He makes the following statement, "The scientific investigations of the mantrack claims, which began as early as 1980 and which culminated in strict "young-earth" creationists "backing off 'from their claims in 1986,...". Wilder-Smith places himself at the Paluxy River site in 1965 as shown in photograph along with others. [6] The 5th edition which contains these pictures was printed in 1980, about the time the scientific investigations began. From the text he was in communication with Burdick and Taylor who were the, then, experts on this site. Wilder-Smith mentions "new and original pictures" of footprints and a human tooth were added to the 1994 edition of Herkunft und Zukunft des Menschen. [7] But this was at the very end of his life. He had a head operation in 1994 and died in 1995. All this is to say that the way the article is written makes it appear that A.E. Wilder-Smith could have known the claims others to be false when he wrote which is patently untrue. In a similar vein the other references to his work being false or not up to date were written ten or more years after he published. This suggests a not quite NPOV but rather that there is an axe to grind regarding his creationist views. (ii)After reading Hastings history of Paluxy I get the impression that academia would not directly acknowledge his abiogenesis arguments directly. However there is mention of him critiquing Kenyon. [8]Wilder-Smith also notes that it appears that at least some of what he did in academic circles regarding creation have been censored. He uses the Huxley lectures as one example. [9]
I now have found his full CV in his memoirs. He accomplished much more than lecture and write books on creationism. I would say he was publishing papers on chemotherapy of tuberculosis, leprosy and other diseases from the mid 1940s to the mid 1960s after which he took to teaching and lecturing. In the 1970s he took to working on drug abuse problems which is when he received the rank of 3-star General for U.S. NATO forces in Europe as a Consultant and Drug Abuse Advisor [10]. It appears that in the mid 1970s and on he began in earnest his lecturing and speaking on drug abuse and creationism world wide although it appears that during his stint at the University of Illinois he would have traveled to Texas. In the 1980s and 1990s he appears to have done nothing but speak and carry a very aggressive lecture schedule till his death. Kellnerp ( talk) 06:53, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
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Completing the bibliography to include all of his writings (or as many as I can find). Publications and writings from his early years were missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellnerp ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Should probably add filmography and audiography here too. Kellnerp ( talk) 04:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith's name should conform to WP:NAMES.
In one place it is written Professor Dr. Dr. Dr. Arthur Wilder-Smith [1]. However, it would be more informative and complete to write it as follows as he holds three doctorates and was a fellow of the Royal Society of Chemists. Professor Arthur Edward "A.E." Wilder-Smith Ph.D. (Physical Organic Chemistry), Dr. es Science (Chemotherapy), D. Sc.(Natural Sciences), P.D., F.R.S.C. [2] following the CV published in his memoirs. This title alone would satisfy the notability requirements found in WP:ACADEMIC because of the P.D. and F.R.S.C. titles., however, the long list of published papers would do the same. Kellnerp ( talk) 05:34, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
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It says he 'was' an ......,......,..... I'm changing it to 'is'. If he's dead, then change it lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crzyclarks ( talk • contribs) 02:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
The question of his death was answered with references to published works previously in talk. 1995 is the year I believe. You raised him from the dead in 2012. Good trick. 124.197.155.15 ( talk) 08:12, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
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The responses of the scientific community to Wilder-Smith's controversial views have not been given their due weight in this article. I've tagged it with "not all points of view" for now. Karlpoppery ( talk) 00:18, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Being that this is a biography, not a discussion of the Creationism/Evolution debate, I find it disappointing that there is little discussion or information regarding: 1. Dr. Wilder-Smith's scientific work in his field of pharmacology and organic chemistry. 2. Dr. Wilder-Smith's scientific original scientific work in response to problems he had with evolution that arose from his knowledge within his specialty. 3. The response of the scientific pro-evolution community to the problems Dr. Wilder-Smith raised even if the scientific community didn't directly acknowledge they were answering those problems. I agree with Karlpoppery on this if he meant the original arguments within his field that Dr. Wilder-Smith is known for. 3. Dr. Wilder-Smith's application of his scientific work to humanitarian causes. Kellnerp ( talk) 04:24, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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In 1965, as a child, my parents sublet an apartment at 18 Chemin de Lilas Blanc in Chêne-Bourg, a suburb of Geneva. I was always curious about the man that we rented from. The Sign on the apartment door said "Prof. Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith, MS, PhD, PhD, PhD" (there was a masters' degree, I may be wrong to remember it as MS). The long list of PhDs and the fact that he listed all that on his apartment door always intrigued me. Now, thanks to Wikipedia, I know who we rented from, and now, you know his former Geneva address. Douglas W. Jones ( talk) 21:02, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
why these big gaps? nothing about his family background (parents, how come he was atheist in his youth? siblings?), as well as his time during WWII? How come he got in touch with gen. Frost and so on? These details are not to be neglected.
how far was the effect of Wilder-Smiths works on estrogen on the completion of the oral contraception? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.108.129.198 ( talk) 12:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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Duncharris, the NPOV tag incorporates text that says, "See discussion on the talk page". But there's no discussion. Can you elaborate, please? I don't see anything particularly non-neutral here. I agree that Wilder-Smith's views are controversial. But the article seems quite careful to neither agree nor disagree with those views. In what way is the article biased, in your view?
Perhaps I should have simply removed the NPOV tag, but I'm curious to find out what the problem is. ACW 20:39, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I read one of his books about twenty years ago- heard him give a lecture somewhere in Houston, Texas. He was well-spoken, but seemed to me (an evolutionist) to have nothing new to say. Nevertheless, the article seems accurate to me. Whether he was as "famous" as some other creationists is hard to say; though that seems beside the point from what I understand of Wikipedia.-- JohnRodgers 04:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
The problem is that for many evolutionist there is nothing real new, because in their opinion, everything is already said - evolution is a fact, only the details have to be discussed/discovered. That is a great mistake. By the way, Wilder Smith was not a kind of scientist whose books or lectures had the kind of "nothing new", he killed evolution just at the root - and this is surely one fact why people do not want to know him.--Sebastian Hirsch (alias Seppel) 21:21, 5 February 2006
Article edited as part of work on the NPOV backlog. Since the article appears non-controversial and the discussion here seems to reflect that, and since there has been no discussion in a long time suggesting further disagreement, the tag is removed. If you disagree with this, please re-tag the article with {{NPOV}} and post to Talk. -- Steve Hart 17:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Steve Hart 19:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm on the pro-evolution side, but I agree with Steve Hart's action. Having said that, I'd like to point out some things in this article that raise my hackles a little bit. This hackle-raising is not of a sufficient level to make my NPOV-finger itch; it's just slightly annoying, and I wonder if I could get the cooperation of an evolution-skeptic or even a creationist to come up with wordings that would increase our total comfort with this article.
The article itself avoids stating an opinion about Wilder-Smith, because all the opinions that it contains are safely placed in the mouths of others, either explicitly (as in the extensive quote from Professor von Stockhausen), or implicitly ("widely recognized by creationists as ..."). If any of these opinions were espoused by the article itself, that would be clear NPOV; as it stands, neutrality is preserved at least in principle.
Notice that the article gives no disapproving opinions of Wilder-Smith, nor any links to sites critical of his opinions. The closest it comes is to note that Wilder-Smith's team lost a debate on votes. I should go find some countervailing quotes; I think about a hundred words on the other side would do a great deal to relieve the vague (vague, I said!) sense of bias that I still get from this article.
(Also ... that Stockhausen is really windy. Do we need all of it?)
ACW 21:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
This may be of utility if anyone wants to add some "criticism" section or something like it. A quite disgusting citation from one of his books:
Which cannot be said to be a lie, since there are no such intermediates, but is surely dishonest, or at least, being overly optimistic, a signal of hardly believable incompentence from someone with his resumé (just in case someone does not understands why, read the text in the link I gave; shortly, this specific intermediate is not predicted by evolutionary theories, but could be for creationisms, ironically). I think that we may found even creationist criticism against this sort of blatant dishonesty, more or less like AiG's site with "arguments we think creationists should not use". -- Extremophile 04:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I moved the following paragraph to here. It claims that the tracks had been forged by creationists, but the reference for the forgery is only talking about the origin of a tooth, which was found near the footprints. I haven't read the other reference yet, but until this is sorted out and correctly formulated, it shouldn't be in the article. A possible misinterpretation is not a forgery. And just trusting and citing the researchers that might have misinterpreted the evidences is not worthy to be mentioned as a criticism about A. E. Wilder-Smith. If there is something about Wilder-Smith's own research then this is a good base for criticism in this article (e.g. about the pre-evolutionary origin from simple atoms/molecules to molecule systems, which can reproduce itself with variations).
He was criticized by scientists over his claims that dinosaur and human footprints existed at Paluxy River in Dinosaur Valley State Park. [1] These supposed tracks were later discovered to have been forged by creationists who tried to claim humans and dinosaurs lived together. [2]
Also the next sentence is not correct. The NCSE did not examine the work of Wilder-Smith in general, but only a review of one book. This book was primarily focused on the pre-evolution phase (biogenesis, origin of life) as also stated on the referenced site. But the scientific criticism only targets on the evolution criticism and how evolution is represented in this book, which was 17 years old at the time of the NCSE examination.
According to the National Center for Science Education, Wilder-Smith's work contains a variety of falsehoods and errors. [3] -- 77.132.185.204 ( talk) 13:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
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The article contains the statement, sourced to his CV, that he was a "NATO three-star general". However his biography (on the same site as his CV) makes no mention of military service (and how do you get to be a "three-star general" without extensive military service?). I suspect that the claim is hoax. I think this also calls into question the reliability of his CV as a source. Hrafn Talk Stalk 09:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The problems with that would be:
In summation this appears to be most likely a misreading of Wilder-Smith's account of the influence of this general as him being the general, that has spread as an 'urban myth' over the internet. Hrafn Talk Stalk 18:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
From Oxford Atheist to Leading Creationist (which is the most comprehensive biography I've come across to date) makes frequent mention of this 'influential retired general' but none of any stint in the army by Wilder-Smith. On the basis of this, I'm removing the "NATO three-star general" claim, and tagging the CV as an unreliable source for making it. Hrafn Talk Stalk 18:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
WILDER SMITH, Arthur Ernest, b. 22 Dec. 1915. Reading, England. Professor of Pharmacology; Consultant, m. Beate Gottwaldt, 1950. 3 sons. 1 daughter. Education: PhD, Organic Chemistry, University of Reading 1941 ; FRIC, London 1946; DSc. Geneva, Switzerland 1965; Confed Tech. University Zurich, 1964; [...] Consultant on Drug Abuse, NATO Forces, Europe & Middle East (equivalent Lieutenant General); Consultant on Drug Abuse, Switzerland 1971 Publications include: "Die Erschaffung des Lebens" [...].
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people listen!!! you are ripping apart a great guy, why do you care so much about this so much all you doing is hurting people —Preceding unsigned comment added by Godlover32795 ( talk • contribs) 19:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I've blocked 173.52.33.26 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) for a week for repeatedly copy-pasting material from http://www.wildersmith.org/ to this article. Gabbe ( talk) 13:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
This edit appears to be a direct copy of this page marked © 2002 Dr. Wilder-Smith. All Rights Reserved. TheresaWilson ( talk) 10:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I am very disappointed in this article. Like many others articles in Wikipedia there seems to be a bias toward those who challenge the modern evolutionary synthesis whether they be creationist or ID theorist. The article seems to be preoccupied with the fact that he believed there were human tracks in the Paluxy river area, as well as referencing others in the scientific community who disagree but are given the benefit of doubt in having the final word. Wikipedia says that "Wilder-Smith's 1981 work The Natural Sciences Know Nothing of Evolution contains a variety of falsehoods and errors" but this only based on the opinion of Kenneth Christiansen, and Wikipedia makes no attempt to point out any of these so called factual errors.
Even if Wilder was wrong about this the Paluxy river tracks, scientist being wrong sometimes is not uncommon for scientist in general. Even great ones like Einstein, Hawkings and lesser ones like biologist Kenneth Miller have been wrong from time to time, but Wikipedia does not dwell on these examples as they do when they write what are akin to hit pieces by those who are considered creationist whacko's by many in the neo Darwinist vein. Wilder Smith was not a whacko. He was a man who was loved and admired by many, and greatly respected even by many of his own adversaries. I think its not only a diservice to those who seek information using Wikipedia, but it's just unprofessional in terms of this publications bias towards certain individuals. Wikipedia could have at least included his famous 1986 Oxford debate with Richard Dawkins where Dawkins pleaded with the audience not to vote for Wilder on the the debate. To whom it may concern, I would like to offer you the accomplishments of this man since Wikipedia has been derelict in its duties to do so.
A..E. Wilder-Smith studied natural sciences at Oxford, England. He received his first doctorate in Physical Organic Chemistry at Reading University, England, 1941. During World War II, he joined the Research department of ICI in England. After the war, he became Countess of Lisburne Memorial Fellow at the University of London. Subsequently, Dr. Wilder-Smith was appointed Director of Research for a Swiss pharmaceutical company. Later he was elected to teach Chemotherapy and Pharmacology at the Medical School of the University of Geneva for which position he received his "habitation" (the senior examination required for professorial appointments to European continental universities). At Geneva, he earned his second doctorate, followed by a third doctorate from the ETH (a senior university in Switzerland) in Zurich. In 1957-1958 Wilder-Smith was Visiting Assistant Professor at the Medical Centre of the University of Illinois, 1959-1961 Visting Full Professor of Pharmacology of the University of Bergen Medical School in Norway. After a further two years at the University of Geneva, he was appointed Full Professor of Pharmacology at the University of Illinois Medical Centre. Here he received in three succeeding years - three ``Golden Apple Awards" for the best course of lectures, together with four senior lecturer awards for the best series of year lectures. Dr. Wilder-Smith's last Golden Apple award was inscribed, ``He made us not only better scientists, but also better men." End. From his own biography at http://www.wildersmith.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by BENNY BALLEJO ( talk • contribs) 05:20, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
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Kellnerp ( talk) 04:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I read some of A.E. Wilder Smith's books years ago (70s). The argument I remember him for was not Paluxy River. I don't believe he did anything original there and I didn't take him for an anthropologist, geologist or archaeologist. If he did mention it I suspect he was quoting others and not a primary source. I took him for an organic chemist working for a pharmaceutical company because that is what he said his qualifications were in the book. His major argument regarding evolution was in his field and regarded the probability of reversible reactions leading to the molecules that evolution implies where needed to arrive at things like DNA. His conclusion was that there was not enough time or matter in the universe to allow for even simple organic precursors for life to form based on probability. I saw no mention of that in the article on him. To not mention his major claim, but rather to mention a claim that he most likely was quoting as true because the investigation on the topic was not completed at the time is certainly biased. He certainly raised some valid questions in the debate that people have been trying to answer for years.
Kellnerp ( talk) 15:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
I will be looking at The Creationists shortly. Regarding the Paluxy River footprints I find the wording of the article misleading. That article states, "In 1965 he published a book which promoted discredited claims that dinosaur and human footprints existed together at Paluxy River." However, in looking for evidence of the discrediting of these claims I came across DINOSAUR TRACKS AND GIANT MEN by Berny Neufeld [1] and The Taylor Site "Man Tracks" by Glen J. Kuban [2] . They were published in 1975 and 1986 respectively. The wording of the sentence makes it appear that he intentionally supported claims that were known by him to be discredited. In Neufeld's work he attributes the "man tracks" to the possibility that "...tracks were both excavated and carved as a source of income during the depression years. Both of these collections may well be carvings from that period." Kuban does not address the source of the carved tracks, just stating that he found one. Further, Wilder-Smith was not a paleontologist and was likely just parroting what was apparently a widely held view of the time without the benefit of the further studies that would take place later.
Further there is some dispute about the current condition of the tracks and the possibility that they have been changed by evolutionists or by rapid erosion. [3] Kuban claimed to have done compression analysis of the tracks. The Creation Evidence Museum explains the carved tracks and states that human-like tracks have been found that do show compression of underlying layers [4] leaving this line of dispute in a controversial state.
There are primary sources for his abiogenesis argument such as lecture audio. In reading some of the evolution sites, those arguments don't rightly fit into the evolutionist's definition of evolution because they state that evolution does not purport to explain where the first cells originated. Somehow it appears that evolutionists are moving away from the primordial soup kitchen.
There are numerous publications and original works by A.E. Wilder-Smith from his days as an organic chemist. There is no mention of those.
Kellnerp ( talk) 17:46, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
(i)Ronnie Hastings wrote a detailed history of the Paluxy river mantracks. [5]He puts the original discovery of the site back as far as 1917 (Schuler, 1917). He makes the following statement, "The scientific investigations of the mantrack claims, which began as early as 1980 and which culminated in strict "young-earth" creationists "backing off 'from their claims in 1986,...". Wilder-Smith places himself at the Paluxy River site in 1965 as shown in photograph along with others. [6] The 5th edition which contains these pictures was printed in 1980, about the time the scientific investigations began. From the text he was in communication with Burdick and Taylor who were the, then, experts on this site. Wilder-Smith mentions "new and original pictures" of footprints and a human tooth were added to the 1994 edition of Herkunft und Zukunft des Menschen. [7] But this was at the very end of his life. He had a head operation in 1994 and died in 1995. All this is to say that the way the article is written makes it appear that A.E. Wilder-Smith could have known the claims others to be false when he wrote which is patently untrue. In a similar vein the other references to his work being false or not up to date were written ten or more years after he published. This suggests a not quite NPOV but rather that there is an axe to grind regarding his creationist views. (ii)After reading Hastings history of Paluxy I get the impression that academia would not directly acknowledge his abiogenesis arguments directly. However there is mention of him critiquing Kenyon. [8]Wilder-Smith also notes that it appears that at least some of what he did in academic circles regarding creation have been censored. He uses the Huxley lectures as one example. [9]
I now have found his full CV in his memoirs. He accomplished much more than lecture and write books on creationism. I would say he was publishing papers on chemotherapy of tuberculosis, leprosy and other diseases from the mid 1940s to the mid 1960s after which he took to teaching and lecturing. In the 1970s he took to working on drug abuse problems which is when he received the rank of 3-star General for U.S. NATO forces in Europe as a Consultant and Drug Abuse Advisor [10]. It appears that in the mid 1970s and on he began in earnest his lecturing and speaking on drug abuse and creationism world wide although it appears that during his stint at the University of Illinois he would have traveled to Texas. In the 1980s and 1990s he appears to have done nothing but speak and carry a very aggressive lecture schedule till his death. Kellnerp ( talk) 06:53, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
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Completing the bibliography to include all of his writings (or as many as I can find). Publications and writings from his early years were missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellnerp ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Should probably add filmography and audiography here too. Kellnerp ( talk) 04:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith's name should conform to WP:NAMES.
In one place it is written Professor Dr. Dr. Dr. Arthur Wilder-Smith [1]. However, it would be more informative and complete to write it as follows as he holds three doctorates and was a fellow of the Royal Society of Chemists. Professor Arthur Edward "A.E." Wilder-Smith Ph.D. (Physical Organic Chemistry), Dr. es Science (Chemotherapy), D. Sc.(Natural Sciences), P.D., F.R.S.C. [2] following the CV published in his memoirs. This title alone would satisfy the notability requirements found in WP:ACADEMIC because of the P.D. and F.R.S.C. titles., however, the long list of published papers would do the same. Kellnerp ( talk) 05:34, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
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It says he 'was' an ......,......,..... I'm changing it to 'is'. If he's dead, then change it lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crzyclarks ( talk • contribs) 02:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
The question of his death was answered with references to published works previously in talk. 1995 is the year I believe. You raised him from the dead in 2012. Good trick. 124.197.155.15 ( talk) 08:12, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
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The responses of the scientific community to Wilder-Smith's controversial views have not been given their due weight in this article. I've tagged it with "not all points of view" for now. Karlpoppery ( talk) 00:18, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Being that this is a biography, not a discussion of the Creationism/Evolution debate, I find it disappointing that there is little discussion or information regarding: 1. Dr. Wilder-Smith's scientific work in his field of pharmacology and organic chemistry. 2. Dr. Wilder-Smith's scientific original scientific work in response to problems he had with evolution that arose from his knowledge within his specialty. 3. The response of the scientific pro-evolution community to the problems Dr. Wilder-Smith raised even if the scientific community didn't directly acknowledge they were answering those problems. I agree with Karlpoppery on this if he meant the original arguments within his field that Dr. Wilder-Smith is known for. 3. Dr. Wilder-Smith's application of his scientific work to humanitarian causes. Kellnerp ( talk) 04:24, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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In 1965, as a child, my parents sublet an apartment at 18 Chemin de Lilas Blanc in Chêne-Bourg, a suburb of Geneva. I was always curious about the man that we rented from. The Sign on the apartment door said "Prof. Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith, MS, PhD, PhD, PhD" (there was a masters' degree, I may be wrong to remember it as MS). The long list of PhDs and the fact that he listed all that on his apartment door always intrigued me. Now, thanks to Wikipedia, I know who we rented from, and now, you know his former Geneva address. Douglas W. Jones ( talk) 21:02, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
why these big gaps? nothing about his family background (parents, how come he was atheist in his youth? siblings?), as well as his time during WWII? How come he got in touch with gen. Frost and so on? These details are not to be neglected.
how far was the effect of Wilder-Smiths works on estrogen on the completion of the oral contraception? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.108.129.198 ( talk) 12:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)