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This paragraph is inconsistent with the sources cited "In 1964, an attack on a woman in New York City, Kitty Genovese, helped to greatly increase the urgency of the effort to create a central emergency number. Genovese had called for help; but no one had called the police. Some experts theorized that one source of reluctance to call police was due to the complexity of doing so; any calls to the police would go to a local precinct, and any response might depend on which individual sergeant or other ranking personnel might handle the call.[12][13][14][15][16]" A brief reading of the sources indicates that the police were called and that none of them say anything about experts theorizing about the complexity of calling the police. They all confirm that the Kitty Genovese case was a impetus for the adoption of 911, however, so im going to change the text to reflect this. I cant get to it today, but this note should act as a reminder and a call for comments, if anyone is interested. Bonewah ( talk) 17:30, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
I live in Egypt, and calling 911 would do the emergency call as well as 112 Soviera0 ( talk) 12:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
This is not a close run thing. The use of 911 is so prominent that we really should just move the page to 911, WP:NATURALDAB be damned because this is not at all the WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH name and we're giving it WP:UNDUE importance pretending it is. Similarly, it is by far the most common meaning of "911" among most native English speakers and most Wikipedians. The disambig page shouldn't be parked at the main real estate.
If we keep it here at 9-1-1 only for the natural dab, we should make that clear within the article and still use 911 consistently in the running text outside of the intro sentence and Name section. — LlywelynII 20:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Others have repeatedly made the same point in the archives above, apparently. — LlywelynII 22:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
In the UK the emergency number map is 999, not 112. The map needs to be corrected. 163.120.111.178 ( talk) 22:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. By numbers this is 5-3 4-4 in support of the move. Most opposers cite
WP:NATURAL; however, I note that NATURAL says Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title, is sometimes preferred.
(emphasis mine) Why exactly natural disambiguation should be preferred for this article is not discussed, which weakens the "oppose" opinions. (
closed by non-admin page mover)
feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (
talk) 15:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Edit: Awesome Aasim should be "oppose" regarding the proposed new title, so numerically this should be 4-4. However, the difference in the strength of arguments still stands; the "oppose" arguments are generally weaker than the "support" arguments. I therefore still find
consensus to move based on reasons based in policy, sources, and common sense
.
feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (
talk) 02:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
9-1-1 →
911 (emergency telephone number) – The current spelling "9-1-1" is hardly ever used
[1] and is therefore a suboptimal search term / page title for Wikipedia. I'm proposing to rename the article to
911 (emergency telephone number) that would also bring about consistency with nearly all other articles about emergency numbers:
— kashmīrī TALK 12:19, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
and the world? To me, 911 (number), a universally recognised subject, would be the primary topic in the world. Most of the world has never heard of nor will possibly ever hear of that number's use in NANP countries. — kashmīrī TALK 20:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
162 etc., I didn't see your reply. On looking, I think that N11 codes are less important than Emergency telephone numbers. By a long way. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 10:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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This paragraph is inconsistent with the sources cited "In 1964, an attack on a woman in New York City, Kitty Genovese, helped to greatly increase the urgency of the effort to create a central emergency number. Genovese had called for help; but no one had called the police. Some experts theorized that one source of reluctance to call police was due to the complexity of doing so; any calls to the police would go to a local precinct, and any response might depend on which individual sergeant or other ranking personnel might handle the call.[12][13][14][15][16]" A brief reading of the sources indicates that the police were called and that none of them say anything about experts theorizing about the complexity of calling the police. They all confirm that the Kitty Genovese case was a impetus for the adoption of 911, however, so im going to change the text to reflect this. I cant get to it today, but this note should act as a reminder and a call for comments, if anyone is interested. Bonewah ( talk) 17:30, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
I live in Egypt, and calling 911 would do the emergency call as well as 112 Soviera0 ( talk) 12:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
This is not a close run thing. The use of 911 is so prominent that we really should just move the page to 911, WP:NATURALDAB be damned because this is not at all the WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH name and we're giving it WP:UNDUE importance pretending it is. Similarly, it is by far the most common meaning of "911" among most native English speakers and most Wikipedians. The disambig page shouldn't be parked at the main real estate.
If we keep it here at 9-1-1 only for the natural dab, we should make that clear within the article and still use 911 consistently in the running text outside of the intro sentence and Name section. — LlywelynII 20:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Others have repeatedly made the same point in the archives above, apparently. — LlywelynII 22:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
In the UK the emergency number map is 999, not 112. The map needs to be corrected. 163.120.111.178 ( talk) 22:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. By numbers this is 5-3 4-4 in support of the move. Most opposers cite
WP:NATURAL; however, I note that NATURAL says Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title, is sometimes preferred.
(emphasis mine) Why exactly natural disambiguation should be preferred for this article is not discussed, which weakens the "oppose" opinions. (
closed by non-admin page mover)
feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (
talk) 15:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Edit: Awesome Aasim should be "oppose" regarding the proposed new title, so numerically this should be 4-4. However, the difference in the strength of arguments still stands; the "oppose" arguments are generally weaker than the "support" arguments. I therefore still find
consensus to move based on reasons based in policy, sources, and common sense
.
feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (
talk) 02:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
9-1-1 →
911 (emergency telephone number) – The current spelling "9-1-1" is hardly ever used
[1] and is therefore a suboptimal search term / page title for Wikipedia. I'm proposing to rename the article to
911 (emergency telephone number) that would also bring about consistency with nearly all other articles about emergency numbers:
— kashmīrī TALK 12:19, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
and the world? To me, 911 (number), a universally recognised subject, would be the primary topic in the world. Most of the world has never heard of nor will possibly ever hear of that number's use in NANP countries. — kashmīrī TALK 20:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
162 etc., I didn't see your reply. On looking, I think that N11 codes are less important than Emergency telephone numbers. By a long way. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 10:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)