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In the 3rd paragraph under "Later studies" of the "History" section, it states "Eros was one of the first asteroids visited by a spacecraft". In the following section, "NEAR Shoemaker", it states "This was the first time a Near Earth asteroid was closely visited by a spacecraft" One of those line needs attention. Thank You for this page. Netweezurd ( talk) 22:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Pronunciation

Pronunciation eer'-os per OED. Expected adj. form Erotian. kwami 2005 July 6 20:30 (UTC)

Claim

This is strange. How can anyone be allowed to claim bits of space? [anon]

How can anyone be allowed to claim bits of land, sea, or air? kwami 21:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC) reply
It's actually not space, but the "land area" of Eros he was trying to claim. In the event he was not allowed to claim it anyway, which is not surprising since he never went there or sent anything there himself.-- Illexsquid 21:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
That and the Outer Space Treaty forbids that sort of thing. This has not stopped other people from trying. Michaelbusch 21:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
Makes me laugh at people that "bought" all those pieces of land on the moon. Some people eh?
Very arrogant to insist something based on U.S. laws. It's just one body of laws among hundreds on earth. I could claim some property in U.S. based on laws of Democratic People's Republic of Korea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.223.163.109 ( talk) 18:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC) reply

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 ( talk) 03:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC) reply

2012 Opposition Magnitude

I notice that the Aspects table was inserted on "09:27, 27 July 2005" by IP 85.74.19.17. Does anyone know the source for the data in the Aspect Tables? The reason that I ask is that I see the Aspect table shows Eros will only get to magnitude 8.5 in 2012 and the Book "A Field Guide to the Stars and Planets", Donald H. Menzel / Jay M. Pasachoff, Second Edition, 1983, page 391 shows that Eros can get as bright as magnitude 6.8.

Is the 2012 opposition relatively far from Eros' date of perihelion? Does someone have a more reliable source/number for the magnitude? Can the HORIZONS Web-Interface predict the apparent magnitude within 10% or so? If it is really only going to be magnitude 8.5 then we will need to get rid of the comparison to Neptune and the other asteroids that has been listed by IP 203.194.52.198 since two days after the aspect table was removed on 14 June 2007. Kheider 01:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC) reply

NEODys (saved output file) seems to show Eros reaching only magnitude 8.1 in late January 2012, making comments about Neptune and the other asteroids incorrect and pointless. -- Kheider 07:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC) reply

433 Eros In Fiction

Check out General Wade Eiling (a fictional character). Guy turns into a weirdo super-monster, gets banished to this asteroid. Lots42 ( talk) 05:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC) reply

This should be moved to the Asteroids in fiction page. Netweezurd ( talk) 21:52, 21 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Distance

The distance was changed from 999.17867|AU to 0.17867|AU by Dawnseeker2000 is this true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zymphor ( talk • contribs) 07:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC) reply

Yes, you can verify the figure by looking at the intersection of the "minimum distance" column and the "2012-Jan-31" row in the table here which is given as a reference in the article at the end of that sentence. In general if you have a question about a claim, check whether there's a reference for it before asking on the talk page. Hypnosifl ( talk) 20:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC) reply
This is because IP 114.77.113.173 vandalized the article on 15 December 2011. -- Kheider ( talk) 22:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC) reply

OR

I removed the following footnote, but left the claim that Eros is "comparable" in size to the Chikxulub bolide:

Dividing the mass of 433 Eros by its density gives a volume of 3000 km3, while the estimated 5 km radius of the (assumed spherical) Chicxulub Crater impactor yields a volume of only about 520 km3.</ref>

First, the later was "at least" 10 km in diameter; second, it is mass, not volume, that is the pertinent variable. The Chikxulub calculation is based on it having been a solid body, which Eros is not. It could easily have been as large as Eros if it was also a rubble pile. — kwami ( talk) 20:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC) reply

I have not checked references in a while, but I thought the 6 to 10 km size estimate for the KT impactor was based on the unknown density. If that is the case then Eros would most likely be larger and more massive. Where and what do the latest KT impactor size estimates say? -- Kheider ( talk) 20:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC) reply
I haven't followed it for a while either; I was only going off what we currently have in the KT article. But to make a specific comparison here I think we should have an actual reference comparing the two, rather than the assumptions we had. If we could find a ref for the estimated mass of the KT impactor (which I assume the size estimates were based on), that would be even better. A direct comparison would be straightforward.
Or even the KE of Eros at a reasonable Earth-crossing velocity, compared to the estimated energy of the impact. — kwami ( talk) 01:07, 1 September 2012 (UTC) reply


My own two cents here: I understand volume vs density but, in the Physical Characteristics, it states Eros is around 16.84 km in size. Then under the "Mars-crosser" paragraph of the "History" section, it states "about five times larger than the impactor that created Chicxulub crater". Clicking on that link, the Chicxulub impactor was "about 11 to 81 kilometers". The statement here look quite inaccurate and feels like sensationalism which has no place on technical page of Wikipedia. Netweezurd ( talk) 21:47, 21 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Gregory W. Nemitz

Wikipedia standards require that articles and documents of interest that speak about a subject be appended to the wikipedia article in question. However, it also requires that articles being spoken about have enough significance. This article does not speak about Gregory W. Nemitz, a person who made a noticeable actions regarding the asteroid Eros 433. The following citation shows his legal actions taken against NASA when they landed their "NEAR" shoemaker in his parking space number 29. In it, he fined NASA $20 for occupying said parking space, and even went to supreme court against NASA. [1]

The legal actions of Gregory W. Nemitz and his legal problems has also been popularised by Vsauce, a youtube celebrity who speaks about various topics of interest. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.197.54 ( talk) 11:41, 7 October 2013 (UTC) reply

It appears that the reference cited, The Eros Project, is simply a self-promotional endeavor by Mr Nemitz. As best I can tell, he has not engaged the supreme court in his battle. The most he has achieved is a letter from the state department saying effectively that he's spouting bullshit. Neither of the sources cited qualify as WP:RS. Tarl.Neustaedter ( talk) 05:21, 7 September 2015 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ http://www.erosproject.com/legal.html?source=ErosProject
  2. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbgz4yY-xX0&feature=player_embedded#at=51

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How Eros was once Earth's second moon

This article must mention how Eros was Earth's former second moon, but it does not. Here's what it should say: In 3,000,000,000 BCE, Theia, a dwarf planet the size of Makemake, impacted Earth at a 47.69 degree angle, breaking off a bit. 2 rings, a big inner one and small outer one, formed, and after 1.3 billion years, formed the sperical large inner moon (the Moon) and un-sperical small outer moon (Eros). Eventully, .7 billion years later, Eros spun away, becoming an asteroid. 174.21.179.117 ( talk) 00:36, 26 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Sorry, we don't engage in science fiction or fantasy writing in our articles. Please see WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, and WP:CITE to start with. Tarl N. ( discuss) 01:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC) reply
Like most NEOs, Eros likely originated in the main-belt. -- Kheider ( talk) 02:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC) reply

In popular culture

Would Eros being Command School in Scott Card novel Ender's Game worth putting in "In popular culture"? 80.28.184.32 ( talk) 20:18, 29 June 2022 (UTC) reply

" Erosh" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Erosh has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 3 § Erosh until a consensus is reached. CycloneYoris talk! 23:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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Ambiguity

In the 3rd paragraph under "Later studies" of the "History" section, it states "Eros was one of the first asteroids visited by a spacecraft". In the following section, "NEAR Shoemaker", it states "This was the first time a Near Earth asteroid was closely visited by a spacecraft" One of those line needs attention. Thank You for this page. Netweezurd ( talk) 22:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Pronunciation

Pronunciation eer'-os per OED. Expected adj. form Erotian. kwami 2005 July 6 20:30 (UTC)

Claim

This is strange. How can anyone be allowed to claim bits of space? [anon]

How can anyone be allowed to claim bits of land, sea, or air? kwami 21:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC) reply
It's actually not space, but the "land area" of Eros he was trying to claim. In the event he was not allowed to claim it anyway, which is not surprising since he never went there or sent anything there himself.-- Illexsquid 21:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
That and the Outer Space Treaty forbids that sort of thing. This has not stopped other people from trying. Michaelbusch 21:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
Makes me laugh at people that "bought" all those pieces of land on the moon. Some people eh?
Very arrogant to insist something based on U.S. laws. It's just one body of laws among hundreds on earth. I could claim some property in U.S. based on laws of Democratic People's Republic of Korea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.223.163.109 ( talk) 18:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC) reply

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 ( talk) 03:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC) reply

2012 Opposition Magnitude

I notice that the Aspects table was inserted on "09:27, 27 July 2005" by IP 85.74.19.17. Does anyone know the source for the data in the Aspect Tables? The reason that I ask is that I see the Aspect table shows Eros will only get to magnitude 8.5 in 2012 and the Book "A Field Guide to the Stars and Planets", Donald H. Menzel / Jay M. Pasachoff, Second Edition, 1983, page 391 shows that Eros can get as bright as magnitude 6.8.

Is the 2012 opposition relatively far from Eros' date of perihelion? Does someone have a more reliable source/number for the magnitude? Can the HORIZONS Web-Interface predict the apparent magnitude within 10% or so? If it is really only going to be magnitude 8.5 then we will need to get rid of the comparison to Neptune and the other asteroids that has been listed by IP 203.194.52.198 since two days after the aspect table was removed on 14 June 2007. Kheider 01:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC) reply

NEODys (saved output file) seems to show Eros reaching only magnitude 8.1 in late January 2012, making comments about Neptune and the other asteroids incorrect and pointless. -- Kheider 07:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC) reply

433 Eros In Fiction

Check out General Wade Eiling (a fictional character). Guy turns into a weirdo super-monster, gets banished to this asteroid. Lots42 ( talk) 05:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC) reply

This should be moved to the Asteroids in fiction page. Netweezurd ( talk) 21:52, 21 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Distance

The distance was changed from 999.17867|AU to 0.17867|AU by Dawnseeker2000 is this true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zymphor ( talk • contribs) 07:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC) reply

Yes, you can verify the figure by looking at the intersection of the "minimum distance" column and the "2012-Jan-31" row in the table here which is given as a reference in the article at the end of that sentence. In general if you have a question about a claim, check whether there's a reference for it before asking on the talk page. Hypnosifl ( talk) 20:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC) reply
This is because IP 114.77.113.173 vandalized the article on 15 December 2011. -- Kheider ( talk) 22:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC) reply

OR

I removed the following footnote, but left the claim that Eros is "comparable" in size to the Chikxulub bolide:

Dividing the mass of 433 Eros by its density gives a volume of 3000 km3, while the estimated 5 km radius of the (assumed spherical) Chicxulub Crater impactor yields a volume of only about 520 km3.</ref>

First, the later was "at least" 10 km in diameter; second, it is mass, not volume, that is the pertinent variable. The Chikxulub calculation is based on it having been a solid body, which Eros is not. It could easily have been as large as Eros if it was also a rubble pile. — kwami ( talk) 20:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC) reply

I have not checked references in a while, but I thought the 6 to 10 km size estimate for the KT impactor was based on the unknown density. If that is the case then Eros would most likely be larger and more massive. Where and what do the latest KT impactor size estimates say? -- Kheider ( talk) 20:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC) reply
I haven't followed it for a while either; I was only going off what we currently have in the KT article. But to make a specific comparison here I think we should have an actual reference comparing the two, rather than the assumptions we had. If we could find a ref for the estimated mass of the KT impactor (which I assume the size estimates were based on), that would be even better. A direct comparison would be straightforward.
Or even the KE of Eros at a reasonable Earth-crossing velocity, compared to the estimated energy of the impact. — kwami ( talk) 01:07, 1 September 2012 (UTC) reply


My own two cents here: I understand volume vs density but, in the Physical Characteristics, it states Eros is around 16.84 km in size. Then under the "Mars-crosser" paragraph of the "History" section, it states "about five times larger than the impactor that created Chicxulub crater". Clicking on that link, the Chicxulub impactor was "about 11 to 81 kilometers". The statement here look quite inaccurate and feels like sensationalism which has no place on technical page of Wikipedia. Netweezurd ( talk) 21:47, 21 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Gregory W. Nemitz

Wikipedia standards require that articles and documents of interest that speak about a subject be appended to the wikipedia article in question. However, it also requires that articles being spoken about have enough significance. This article does not speak about Gregory W. Nemitz, a person who made a noticeable actions regarding the asteroid Eros 433. The following citation shows his legal actions taken against NASA when they landed their "NEAR" shoemaker in his parking space number 29. In it, he fined NASA $20 for occupying said parking space, and even went to supreme court against NASA. [1]

The legal actions of Gregory W. Nemitz and his legal problems has also been popularised by Vsauce, a youtube celebrity who speaks about various topics of interest. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.197.54 ( talk) 11:41, 7 October 2013 (UTC) reply

It appears that the reference cited, The Eros Project, is simply a self-promotional endeavor by Mr Nemitz. As best I can tell, he has not engaged the supreme court in his battle. The most he has achieved is a letter from the state department saying effectively that he's spouting bullshit. Neither of the sources cited qualify as WP:RS. Tarl.Neustaedter ( talk) 05:21, 7 September 2015 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ http://www.erosproject.com/legal.html?source=ErosProject
  2. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbgz4yY-xX0&feature=player_embedded#at=51

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How Eros was once Earth's second moon

This article must mention how Eros was Earth's former second moon, but it does not. Here's what it should say: In 3,000,000,000 BCE, Theia, a dwarf planet the size of Makemake, impacted Earth at a 47.69 degree angle, breaking off a bit. 2 rings, a big inner one and small outer one, formed, and after 1.3 billion years, formed the sperical large inner moon (the Moon) and un-sperical small outer moon (Eros). Eventully, .7 billion years later, Eros spun away, becoming an asteroid. 174.21.179.117 ( talk) 00:36, 26 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Sorry, we don't engage in science fiction or fantasy writing in our articles. Please see WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, and WP:CITE to start with. Tarl N. ( discuss) 01:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC) reply
Like most NEOs, Eros likely originated in the main-belt. -- Kheider ( talk) 02:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC) reply

In popular culture

Would Eros being Command School in Scott Card novel Ender's Game worth putting in "In popular culture"? 80.28.184.32 ( talk) 20:18, 29 June 2022 (UTC) reply

" Erosh" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Erosh has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 3 § Erosh until a consensus is reached. CycloneYoris talk! 23:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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