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I've merged in some redundant material from the San Francisco Earthquake article, which I've now made into a redirect. Terry 18:51, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Are we forgetting the Galveston Hurricane? At the very least, a disclaimer should be put in to read something like "It remains the worst natural disaster in US history in terms of property damage." Because the Galveston Hurricane in 1900 claimed anywhere from 6,000-12,000 deaths, while the fire 'only' claimed 3,000.
One other question, because it is somewhat ambiguous: Is the $400,000,000 in damage actual 1906 dollars, or adjusted to 2005 dollars. The Galveston Hurricane article has both. It should be noted if the figure given is in 1906 or 2005 dollars. JRath 13 September 2005 12:15 Central US time
I am doing a report on this topic, and I am in 6th grade. What details do you think would be most important to include in my 1-page report?
I guess the answer is, yes, we are forgetting the Galveston Hurricane. Why not? It isn't very famous.
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In essence, the hurricane and Katrina references at the top are somewhat distracting and not pertinent to the topic. It is inappropriate to have theme there. I've deleted them. Gingermint ( talk) 20:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Oddly, this article seems to have very little treatment of the actual earthquake. The first section is "Subsequent fires". It might be worthwhile to have a discussion of the geology, the fault, the liquefaction of the filled-in areas, and probably building codes and masonry construction (and weren't there some new steel structures? how did they fare by comparison?). The other is the "Aftermath" section which seems to devote more words (barely) to plans that were never realized, than to what was done. -- Dhartung | Talk 04:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
It is true that the seal of the City is a phoenix rising from fire; the earthquake, however, is only coincidental — because later than the seal by about 50 years. See the page on the seal at the official website of the City of San Francisco. Good call, anon! Bill 21:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Steve Zissou? As in the wes anderson movie? Cornell Rockey 15:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
The third paragraph of this section is worded like it describing the picture in this section. If so, it needs to be placed in the picture's caption, not made into a text paragraph. Thanks. Hmains 00:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
The article mentions a "conservative" death toll of 13,000 and some estimates of 27,000. However, I've never seen a credible estimate much higher than 3,000. Where do these numbers come from?-- Paul 21:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I've seen a conservative death toll of 3,000 and estimates of 5,000. There was actually a cover-up after the quake. ( Nick31091 05:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC))
There is no death toll listed in the article now. Rsduhamel ( talk) 05:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I've heard estimates has high as 35,000 in seminars but can't think of a printed source for this. Nevertheless, as a historian I am inclined to believe the high number. I would say at least 35,000. Gingermint ( talk) 20:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
the entire section on the subsequent fires is now lost -- including all of the information on Eastwood and Jacobs -- through vandalism. The reverts missed that. The fires created the greatest damage.
thanks, Infrogmation, for replacing the S.F. subsequent fires section so quickly
I've flagged the following statement as "cite needed": "The official estimate of $300 million in damage has been shown to be upward of $5 billion." The estimate on the National Geological Survey Web site is much lower, $400 million in 1906 dollars. (cf. http://quake.usgs.gov/info/1906/casualties.html ) Can someone verify the $5 billion figure and determine whether it's in 1906 or current dollars? Thanks. RickDC 18:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I've found a verification for the $5 billion figure (well, $4.9 billion), which makes clear it's in 2005 dollars and that it refers to insured losses; the 1906 equivalent was $235 million per the source, which is the Insurance Information Institute. A higher figure ($400 million in losses) is found on the US Geological Survery Web site. I'll reword the sentence to reflect these estimates and footnote the sources. Thanks, Paul. RickDC 18:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Why am I the first to mention this? Anyway, I saw a show on the Discovery Times channel called Unsolved History which shows that there was a massive cover-up of the quakes actual damage. Some examples:
1. Actual cost in money: $300 million to a few billion 2. Death toll from quake (not counting fire casualties in Chinatown and police shootings): 478 to upwards of 3,000; approaching 5,000 (counting done by San Fran. historians and geneologists) 3. Areas of great quake damage (most damage was blamed on fires) 4. # of police and army shootings: just a few to 500+ 5. Alteration of photos (durastic changes in hue to origional images revealed multiple pencil marks and airbrushing) (on one image about 30% was retouch) 6. "spin" in publications etc.
Why is this not mentioned in the article? Many areas that today are considered quake-safe were in fact disaster areas. For more info, try to catch Unsolved History: The 1906 Earthquake Cover-up on Doscovery Times channel ( Nick31091 05:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC))
Claiming that was a massive cover up and that the police and army shot people isn't a conspiracy theory? Sorry, Pop Docs intended to sensationalize and juice up drama to attract viewers does not count as a good or unbiased source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.57.121 ( talk) 10:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I heard somewhere that the cover up was supported by local businessmen in order to attract further immigration to SF. Even the event was called SF Great Fire, to omit the quake... 77.28.233.81 ( talk) 09:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
According to the books I have read, the initial fires were almost all put out with the available water, but then a new fire started (Ham and Eggs Fire). That fire raged for more than a day and did most of the damage. It could run unchecked because most pounded water was gone and water mains were broken, also the firefighters were worn out. One house survived since the owner fought for it with the watertanks in the house. He saved his whole flag-collection. The insurance companies mostly blamed the fire on the earthquake since it was that or going belly up. A few insurance companies which had few insurances in California paid up. Since my memory of the books is somewhat faulty I will wait until I can get hold of the books again before I change the chapter about fire. Seniorsag 17:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I am reading a book called "Life after Doomsday" by Bruce Clayton, and on page 8 he wrote, "the local fire chief had insisted to the city council that San Francisco was inadequately protected against fire. For one thing, the water mains all crossed the San Andreas Fault, and no provisions had been made for the possibility that they would break in an earthquake and leave the city without water." It is an interesting bit of trivia and might be interesting enough for the main page. - cymbol
I'm surprised that this isn't Top priority for the SFBA project. Stepheng3 ( talk) 06:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually they are so awsome and high quality, it makes me feel they faked and photoshoped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.33.234.159 ( talk) 20:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC) It was 1906! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.33.234.159 ( talk) 20:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
This seems like an incredible assertion; only backed up by a 2004 paper which we are unable to read, aside from the abstract. Is there any independent analysis or reaction to this paper, which would indicate its premise is widely accepted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aepryus ( talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I have started the GA push of this article. Also, anyone interested is welcome to join WikiProject Earthquakes. ~ Me ldshal 42 19:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I hope this helps, and that the GA quest eventually prospers. Brianboulton ( talk) 12:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
This review is transcluded from Talk:1906 San Francisco earthquake/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review. I am quick failing this nomination because of the lack of references in the article. It currently contains 19 "citation needed" tags, and there are other statements that should also be sourced. There are also two cleanup banners. I realize that much of this tagging was done after the nomination, but one cleanup banner has been in place since October 2007. Please ensure that the article is thoroughly sourced before it is renominated. Please also note that citations need to be properly formatted with at least a title, publisher, URL, and accessdate; see Wikipedia:Citing sources for the {{cite web}} template.
Because this is a quick fail, this is not a thorough review. I recommend making the necessary changes and then putting the article up for peer review before renominating. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 05:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
This article completely fails in one very important area. The article has an almost complete lack of any effects of the earthquake outside the limits of San Francisco County. There are throw away mentions of 296 miles of fault rupture, the quake being felt up to several hundred miles away, and the destruction of Santa Rosa. Then nothing of other regional effects. Exactly what in Santa Rosa was destroyed. Why no mention of the destruction of San Jose State, San Jose High School, St. Patrick's Church, the main Post Office, the Hotel Vendome, and other major buildings in Downtown San Jose. What about the 100 patients killed when Agnews State Hospital collapsed in Santa Clara? The article as it stands is woefully incomplete. Gentgeen ( talk) 09:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
In line with this objection, I am placing a {{bias}} tag today. -- Zeamays ( talk) 14:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Salinas River diversion in Monterey County. It was erroneously stated that the river was diverted north to a new river mouth between Moss Landing and Watsonville. In fact this is the previous river bed. The present course of the Salinas River is straight to sea just north of Marina. This was also in error on the Wiki Salinas River page. I have corrected it there also and posted a link to an on-line resource that contains ariel photography from the 1930s and charts from before the 'quake to reflect this. ThomasH95039 ( talk) 01:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard of any damage besides the destruction of San Francisco so maybe the bias is not that significant. Why not simply start a section on damage outside of San Francisco? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.20.56 ( talk) 22:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but it is a well-known fact that the entire northern end of the San Andreas slipped . You should consult the Carnegie Institution of Washington report (see [6]). It is also true that the earthquake had a major impact on the development of the East Bay, which is not mentioned. -- Zeamays ( talk) 02:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Dear Anynobody, You are wrong about my understanding of the meaning of POV. I agree this is not a POV problem, but I simply couldn't find a tag that exactly captured the fact that in the article damage outside of SF is not given sufficient weight. Even if you remove the tag, the problem remains. The article needs a re-write to give all localities affected by the earthquake proportional attention. -- Zeamays ( talk) 01:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I apologize that while I am a Wikipedia user I am not familar with how to properly edit a page. A request was made for a citation about the post 1906 building codes. It should fall about citation number 21
That information can be found here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/15/HOGQ9I7P2T1.DTL
72.87.176.56 ( talk) 00:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Jim
In the 4th paragraph of the "Aftermath and Reconstruction" section, the improper use of the contraction "it's" is used at least twice when discussing banks. Please change to "its". —Preceding unsigned comment added by MeganLindsay ( talk • contribs) 17:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I'd have fixed them myself, but apparently you have to be a "trusted" user of Wikipedia, and I'm not. I can only assume that's due to not being a user for long and not contributing much yet. Thanks for fixing them, though! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.131.125.50 ( talk) 14:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
This page is not semi-protected but the symbol is there anyway. User:Daniel Christensen. 74.36.5.133 ( talk) 03:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC) Oh, I'm not signed in.
Richter Scale(magnitude)- 8.25 (more recent rating is 7.7-7.9) MMI-Modified Mercalli Intensity Scale(intensity)-7-9 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.111.89.40 ( talk) 18:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC) I am Corina and I was wondering was this the worst earthquake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.147.60.184 ( talk) 16:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I deleted these chunks without prejudice
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as being kinda POVish without any supporting evidence, cites, etc. i mean, we don't normally present a reference then say that it needs proof. Gzuckier ( talk) 06:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
References
I suggest that this section should be placed in Aftermath and reconstruction section.-- Tranletuhan ( talk) 08:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The army shot a lot of people. It is hard to say how many. Gingermint ( talk) 20:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
We should add something about the treatment of Chinese during the aftermath. Many were forced away from their homes to new locations away from the city(but still close enough so they could pay taxes)....many were shot and pushed around by the Army's "Aid" Clonecommander ( talk) 02:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Again, prove it. Your evidence? Anecdotes don't count as evidence, either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.57.121 ( talk) 10:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Didn't General Pershing play a major role in the martial law after the earthquake? -- 69.106.236.67 ( talk) 03:40, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Deletion of a section without explanation is unhelpful - please explain why, the section was well-sourced. Mikenorton ( talk) 20:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
New pictures discovered of the aftermath of the earthquake. Since these are in color and appear to be in the public domain, perhaps the article would benefit from them? Cla68 ( talk) 04:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
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This was a good article, but maybe someone should add something more about the fires. That was a very important part, and deserves more focus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.35.62 ( talk) 14:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Did anyone heard something from Libra Armstrong, who was at age 103 in 2006, when she attended the 100th year memorial. Is she died or is she living? What happened to her? Nothing I can found about her since 2006. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.85.54.197 ( talk) 15:01, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
I found information about Libra Armstrong. Her name is correctly Libera Armstrong, and born in 1902 and died in 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.206.64.11 ( talk) 12:35, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Is there any way to move that pic so it doesn't overlap the other? I can't figure out how to do that. TySoltaur ( talk) 18:08, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
There are a disconcertingly large swaths of text that are lacking references. I would imagine that this should be fairly easy to rectify. — howcheng { chat} 03:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Per this edit summary, I'm concerned about an intention to overcrowd the article with "valuable historic photos". That is the state the article was in about a year ago before it was improved to its current state. Having an article with excessive image deteriorates the presentation and looks sloppy. A child can easily place many images in an article, but it takes some effort for an editor to carefully choose and place appropriate images for a true readable and attractive article. Dawnseeker2000 20:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't know about you, but to me, these details make the scope of this event incredible, and having the map (along with an intensity table) certainly helps to paint that picture. I'll start working on the intensity table. Dawnseeker2000 23:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
If someone see this please note that in the section "Centennial commemoration" of this article William Del Monte has died Monday January 11, 2016. Thanks. http://www.wral.com/last-survivor-of-1906-san-francisco-earthquake-dead-at-109/15227244/ -- Danielvis08 ( talk) 21:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Another source claims the earthquake can be classified as having a magnitude of 8.3 on the Richter Scale, so I changed that. Subsequently, I changed that citation. There was a bit more information discussing crustal deformation, so I added some information regarding that, too. Kchampagne21 ( talk) 05:48, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Dear Binksternet, For the not so very important -revert that was made by you: I would like to remind you, that the sidewalk detail which I added on article is one of the few and most visible everyday reminder of that incident for the citizens of the city. It is a detail that local tourist guides tell to people who come to visit in the city from all over the world. I consider it quite an important. On such revert you do not contribute on making Wikipedia better dictionary. Let's put it this way: which would you consider to be more important edit? The detail on San Francisco sidewalks reminding the 1906 earthquake or the revert you made to disguise it. Aaaatu ( talk) 02:30, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
site:www.sfdph.org/dph/comupg/oprograms/CHPP/1906/
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There are numerous paragraphs throughout the article that do not have a single citation. — howcheng { chat} 00:07, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
"The 1906 San Francisco earthquake struck the coast of mexico at 5:12 a.m. on April 2" Uhh found this googling 1906 SF earthquake just now, and I know it didn't happen on April 2. But Wiki shows up in the top options for google, and the whole intro to the page boggled me (Mexico wasn't capitalised, additionally, SF is quite a ways away from Mexico, and I *know* that that's the Pacific Ocean, not the Coast of Mexico.) Shouldn't it be 18 April, 1906, and too far from the Coast of Mexico to be mentioned? Asinine17 ( talk) 05:29, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
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This article tends to ramble. I feel that modern study wars should probably have its on article. This many analyses should really go somewhere else. In my opinion, and I'm aware that it is only an opinion and may not matter to most of you, I feel this article should reflect the disaster only. Not the later analyses. What the newspapers initially reported. The areas most affected and the people who lived there. Were there aftershocks and for what length of time did they last. There is not a single word about aftershocks but newspapers on the very day of the quake are reporting a very strong one occurred at about 8:15 later that morning. That of all things belongs here. The initial inconsistencies (as most news still does to this day) in early reports. I have an article that says "no loss of life" along Market St. where "low rent and hotels" were located. Then 2 paragraphs later is speaks of the exact same location and says there is "expected to be great loss of life there." You see, there are two parts to this quake. One is a scientific look but the other is the historic look. History and science are two separate entities and so I feel that they should be separated. No, I don't mean no mentioning of science but it should be limited in this article. I am not an expert and have no experience to speak of with this subject. I just happened to be reading an old article and came here only to find it full of scientific information, rather than historic. I'll be happy to look up newspaper reports for anyone working on this article, but that's about the extent I'm qualified to do. Sorry this was so long. ETA.. this is probably useful from the National Archives with documents of the day, to include acts of heroism. MagnoliaSouth ( talk) 15:23, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
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There was a strong aftershock five minutes later- what was its intensity? What about other aftershocks in the following days? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.225.17.141 ( talk) 00:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
From the lead: "The events are remembered as one of the worst and deadliest earthquakes in the history of the United States." Surely it simply is the worst and deadliest? Certainly it is remembered as such. Are any others even comparable? Robina Fox ( talk) 00:19, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
disappointing to see a bunch of crap in this article beyond long since verified researched vetted facts - attempts to reframe events as caused by human activity for one
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The Salinas River mouth did not change position as a result of the 1906 earthquake. This is an error propagated from a brief incorrect history written by the Census Bureau in 2016.
The 1908 Lawson report details damage to the Moss Landing area and does not reference this change. Just fractures and liquefaction. https://oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=hb1h4n989f&brand=oac4&doc.view=entire_text
This thesis attributes the change to a series of winter storms (1908-1909)and the decision of farmers to maintain the new channel position. See page 70 here:
https://library.elkhornslough.org/attachments/Schwartz_1983_Geologic_History_of_Elkhorn.pdf Feline cannon ( talk) 20:32, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
I have an italian tourist booklet that cannot be considered a WIKI-worth source, so I write this only because someone may recover this info from a suitable source and insert it if felt useful.
The fire was confined by firebreaks along the Van Ness Av., so destroyed essentially the east section
(in agreement with the map) 151.29.149.29 ( talk) 16:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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I've merged in some redundant material from the San Francisco Earthquake article, which I've now made into a redirect. Terry 18:51, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Are we forgetting the Galveston Hurricane? At the very least, a disclaimer should be put in to read something like "It remains the worst natural disaster in US history in terms of property damage." Because the Galveston Hurricane in 1900 claimed anywhere from 6,000-12,000 deaths, while the fire 'only' claimed 3,000.
One other question, because it is somewhat ambiguous: Is the $400,000,000 in damage actual 1906 dollars, or adjusted to 2005 dollars. The Galveston Hurricane article has both. It should be noted if the figure given is in 1906 or 2005 dollars. JRath 13 September 2005 12:15 Central US time
I am doing a report on this topic, and I am in 6th grade. What details do you think would be most important to include in my 1-page report?
I guess the answer is, yes, we are forgetting the Galveston Hurricane. Why not? It isn't very famous.
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In essence, the hurricane and Katrina references at the top are somewhat distracting and not pertinent to the topic. It is inappropriate to have theme there. I've deleted them. Gingermint ( talk) 20:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Oddly, this article seems to have very little treatment of the actual earthquake. The first section is "Subsequent fires". It might be worthwhile to have a discussion of the geology, the fault, the liquefaction of the filled-in areas, and probably building codes and masonry construction (and weren't there some new steel structures? how did they fare by comparison?). The other is the "Aftermath" section which seems to devote more words (barely) to plans that were never realized, than to what was done. -- Dhartung | Talk 04:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
It is true that the seal of the City is a phoenix rising from fire; the earthquake, however, is only coincidental — because later than the seal by about 50 years. See the page on the seal at the official website of the City of San Francisco. Good call, anon! Bill 21:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Steve Zissou? As in the wes anderson movie? Cornell Rockey 15:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
The third paragraph of this section is worded like it describing the picture in this section. If so, it needs to be placed in the picture's caption, not made into a text paragraph. Thanks. Hmains 00:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
The article mentions a "conservative" death toll of 13,000 and some estimates of 27,000. However, I've never seen a credible estimate much higher than 3,000. Where do these numbers come from?-- Paul 21:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I've seen a conservative death toll of 3,000 and estimates of 5,000. There was actually a cover-up after the quake. ( Nick31091 05:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC))
There is no death toll listed in the article now. Rsduhamel ( talk) 05:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I've heard estimates has high as 35,000 in seminars but can't think of a printed source for this. Nevertheless, as a historian I am inclined to believe the high number. I would say at least 35,000. Gingermint ( talk) 20:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
the entire section on the subsequent fires is now lost -- including all of the information on Eastwood and Jacobs -- through vandalism. The reverts missed that. The fires created the greatest damage.
thanks, Infrogmation, for replacing the S.F. subsequent fires section so quickly
I've flagged the following statement as "cite needed": "The official estimate of $300 million in damage has been shown to be upward of $5 billion." The estimate on the National Geological Survey Web site is much lower, $400 million in 1906 dollars. (cf. http://quake.usgs.gov/info/1906/casualties.html ) Can someone verify the $5 billion figure and determine whether it's in 1906 or current dollars? Thanks. RickDC 18:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I've found a verification for the $5 billion figure (well, $4.9 billion), which makes clear it's in 2005 dollars and that it refers to insured losses; the 1906 equivalent was $235 million per the source, which is the Insurance Information Institute. A higher figure ($400 million in losses) is found on the US Geological Survery Web site. I'll reword the sentence to reflect these estimates and footnote the sources. Thanks, Paul. RickDC 18:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Why am I the first to mention this? Anyway, I saw a show on the Discovery Times channel called Unsolved History which shows that there was a massive cover-up of the quakes actual damage. Some examples:
1. Actual cost in money: $300 million to a few billion 2. Death toll from quake (not counting fire casualties in Chinatown and police shootings): 478 to upwards of 3,000; approaching 5,000 (counting done by San Fran. historians and geneologists) 3. Areas of great quake damage (most damage was blamed on fires) 4. # of police and army shootings: just a few to 500+ 5. Alteration of photos (durastic changes in hue to origional images revealed multiple pencil marks and airbrushing) (on one image about 30% was retouch) 6. "spin" in publications etc.
Why is this not mentioned in the article? Many areas that today are considered quake-safe were in fact disaster areas. For more info, try to catch Unsolved History: The 1906 Earthquake Cover-up on Doscovery Times channel ( Nick31091 05:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC))
Claiming that was a massive cover up and that the police and army shot people isn't a conspiracy theory? Sorry, Pop Docs intended to sensationalize and juice up drama to attract viewers does not count as a good or unbiased source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.57.121 ( talk) 10:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I heard somewhere that the cover up was supported by local businessmen in order to attract further immigration to SF. Even the event was called SF Great Fire, to omit the quake... 77.28.233.81 ( talk) 09:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
According to the books I have read, the initial fires were almost all put out with the available water, but then a new fire started (Ham and Eggs Fire). That fire raged for more than a day and did most of the damage. It could run unchecked because most pounded water was gone and water mains were broken, also the firefighters were worn out. One house survived since the owner fought for it with the watertanks in the house. He saved his whole flag-collection. The insurance companies mostly blamed the fire on the earthquake since it was that or going belly up. A few insurance companies which had few insurances in California paid up. Since my memory of the books is somewhat faulty I will wait until I can get hold of the books again before I change the chapter about fire. Seniorsag 17:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I am reading a book called "Life after Doomsday" by Bruce Clayton, and on page 8 he wrote, "the local fire chief had insisted to the city council that San Francisco was inadequately protected against fire. For one thing, the water mains all crossed the San Andreas Fault, and no provisions had been made for the possibility that they would break in an earthquake and leave the city without water." It is an interesting bit of trivia and might be interesting enough for the main page. - cymbol
I'm surprised that this isn't Top priority for the SFBA project. Stepheng3 ( talk) 06:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually they are so awsome and high quality, it makes me feel they faked and photoshoped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.33.234.159 ( talk) 20:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC) It was 1906! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.33.234.159 ( talk) 20:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
This seems like an incredible assertion; only backed up by a 2004 paper which we are unable to read, aside from the abstract. Is there any independent analysis or reaction to this paper, which would indicate its premise is widely accepted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aepryus ( talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I have started the GA push of this article. Also, anyone interested is welcome to join WikiProject Earthquakes. ~ Me ldshal 42 19:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I hope this helps, and that the GA quest eventually prospers. Brianboulton ( talk) 12:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
This review is transcluded from Talk:1906 San Francisco earthquake/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review. I am quick failing this nomination because of the lack of references in the article. It currently contains 19 "citation needed" tags, and there are other statements that should also be sourced. There are also two cleanup banners. I realize that much of this tagging was done after the nomination, but one cleanup banner has been in place since October 2007. Please ensure that the article is thoroughly sourced before it is renominated. Please also note that citations need to be properly formatted with at least a title, publisher, URL, and accessdate; see Wikipedia:Citing sources for the {{cite web}} template.
Because this is a quick fail, this is not a thorough review. I recommend making the necessary changes and then putting the article up for peer review before renominating. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 05:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
This article completely fails in one very important area. The article has an almost complete lack of any effects of the earthquake outside the limits of San Francisco County. There are throw away mentions of 296 miles of fault rupture, the quake being felt up to several hundred miles away, and the destruction of Santa Rosa. Then nothing of other regional effects. Exactly what in Santa Rosa was destroyed. Why no mention of the destruction of San Jose State, San Jose High School, St. Patrick's Church, the main Post Office, the Hotel Vendome, and other major buildings in Downtown San Jose. What about the 100 patients killed when Agnews State Hospital collapsed in Santa Clara? The article as it stands is woefully incomplete. Gentgeen ( talk) 09:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
In line with this objection, I am placing a {{bias}} tag today. -- Zeamays ( talk) 14:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Salinas River diversion in Monterey County. It was erroneously stated that the river was diverted north to a new river mouth between Moss Landing and Watsonville. In fact this is the previous river bed. The present course of the Salinas River is straight to sea just north of Marina. This was also in error on the Wiki Salinas River page. I have corrected it there also and posted a link to an on-line resource that contains ariel photography from the 1930s and charts from before the 'quake to reflect this. ThomasH95039 ( talk) 01:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard of any damage besides the destruction of San Francisco so maybe the bias is not that significant. Why not simply start a section on damage outside of San Francisco? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.20.56 ( talk) 22:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but it is a well-known fact that the entire northern end of the San Andreas slipped . You should consult the Carnegie Institution of Washington report (see [6]). It is also true that the earthquake had a major impact on the development of the East Bay, which is not mentioned. -- Zeamays ( talk) 02:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Dear Anynobody, You are wrong about my understanding of the meaning of POV. I agree this is not a POV problem, but I simply couldn't find a tag that exactly captured the fact that in the article damage outside of SF is not given sufficient weight. Even if you remove the tag, the problem remains. The article needs a re-write to give all localities affected by the earthquake proportional attention. -- Zeamays ( talk) 01:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I apologize that while I am a Wikipedia user I am not familar with how to properly edit a page. A request was made for a citation about the post 1906 building codes. It should fall about citation number 21
That information can be found here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/15/HOGQ9I7P2T1.DTL
72.87.176.56 ( talk) 00:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Jim
In the 4th paragraph of the "Aftermath and Reconstruction" section, the improper use of the contraction "it's" is used at least twice when discussing banks. Please change to "its". —Preceding unsigned comment added by MeganLindsay ( talk • contribs) 17:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I'd have fixed them myself, but apparently you have to be a "trusted" user of Wikipedia, and I'm not. I can only assume that's due to not being a user for long and not contributing much yet. Thanks for fixing them, though! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.131.125.50 ( talk) 14:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
This page is not semi-protected but the symbol is there anyway. User:Daniel Christensen. 74.36.5.133 ( talk) 03:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC) Oh, I'm not signed in.
Richter Scale(magnitude)- 8.25 (more recent rating is 7.7-7.9) MMI-Modified Mercalli Intensity Scale(intensity)-7-9 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.111.89.40 ( talk) 18:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC) I am Corina and I was wondering was this the worst earthquake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.147.60.184 ( talk) 16:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I deleted these chunks without prejudice
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as being kinda POVish without any supporting evidence, cites, etc. i mean, we don't normally present a reference then say that it needs proof. Gzuckier ( talk) 06:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
References
I suggest that this section should be placed in Aftermath and reconstruction section.-- Tranletuhan ( talk) 08:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The army shot a lot of people. It is hard to say how many. Gingermint ( talk) 20:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
We should add something about the treatment of Chinese during the aftermath. Many were forced away from their homes to new locations away from the city(but still close enough so they could pay taxes)....many were shot and pushed around by the Army's "Aid" Clonecommander ( talk) 02:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Again, prove it. Your evidence? Anecdotes don't count as evidence, either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.57.121 ( talk) 10:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Didn't General Pershing play a major role in the martial law after the earthquake? -- 69.106.236.67 ( talk) 03:40, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Deletion of a section without explanation is unhelpful - please explain why, the section was well-sourced. Mikenorton ( talk) 20:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
New pictures discovered of the aftermath of the earthquake. Since these are in color and appear to be in the public domain, perhaps the article would benefit from them? Cla68 ( talk) 04:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
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This was a good article, but maybe someone should add something more about the fires. That was a very important part, and deserves more focus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.35.62 ( talk) 14:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Did anyone heard something from Libra Armstrong, who was at age 103 in 2006, when she attended the 100th year memorial. Is she died or is she living? What happened to her? Nothing I can found about her since 2006. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.85.54.197 ( talk) 15:01, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
I found information about Libra Armstrong. Her name is correctly Libera Armstrong, and born in 1902 and died in 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.206.64.11 ( talk) 12:35, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Is there any way to move that pic so it doesn't overlap the other? I can't figure out how to do that. TySoltaur ( talk) 18:08, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
There are a disconcertingly large swaths of text that are lacking references. I would imagine that this should be fairly easy to rectify. — howcheng { chat} 03:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Per this edit summary, I'm concerned about an intention to overcrowd the article with "valuable historic photos". That is the state the article was in about a year ago before it was improved to its current state. Having an article with excessive image deteriorates the presentation and looks sloppy. A child can easily place many images in an article, but it takes some effort for an editor to carefully choose and place appropriate images for a true readable and attractive article. Dawnseeker2000 20:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't know about you, but to me, these details make the scope of this event incredible, and having the map (along with an intensity table) certainly helps to paint that picture. I'll start working on the intensity table. Dawnseeker2000 23:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
If someone see this please note that in the section "Centennial commemoration" of this article William Del Monte has died Monday January 11, 2016. Thanks. http://www.wral.com/last-survivor-of-1906-san-francisco-earthquake-dead-at-109/15227244/ -- Danielvis08 ( talk) 21:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Another source claims the earthquake can be classified as having a magnitude of 8.3 on the Richter Scale, so I changed that. Subsequently, I changed that citation. There was a bit more information discussing crustal deformation, so I added some information regarding that, too. Kchampagne21 ( talk) 05:48, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Dear Binksternet, For the not so very important -revert that was made by you: I would like to remind you, that the sidewalk detail which I added on article is one of the few and most visible everyday reminder of that incident for the citizens of the city. It is a detail that local tourist guides tell to people who come to visit in the city from all over the world. I consider it quite an important. On such revert you do not contribute on making Wikipedia better dictionary. Let's put it this way: which would you consider to be more important edit? The detail on San Francisco sidewalks reminding the 1906 earthquake or the revert you made to disguise it. Aaaatu ( talk) 02:30, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
site:www.sfdph.org/dph/comupg/oprograms/CHPP/1906/
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There are numerous paragraphs throughout the article that do not have a single citation. — howcheng { chat} 00:07, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
"The 1906 San Francisco earthquake struck the coast of mexico at 5:12 a.m. on April 2" Uhh found this googling 1906 SF earthquake just now, and I know it didn't happen on April 2. But Wiki shows up in the top options for google, and the whole intro to the page boggled me (Mexico wasn't capitalised, additionally, SF is quite a ways away from Mexico, and I *know* that that's the Pacific Ocean, not the Coast of Mexico.) Shouldn't it be 18 April, 1906, and too far from the Coast of Mexico to be mentioned? Asinine17 ( talk) 05:29, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
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This article tends to ramble. I feel that modern study wars should probably have its on article. This many analyses should really go somewhere else. In my opinion, and I'm aware that it is only an opinion and may not matter to most of you, I feel this article should reflect the disaster only. Not the later analyses. What the newspapers initially reported. The areas most affected and the people who lived there. Were there aftershocks and for what length of time did they last. There is not a single word about aftershocks but newspapers on the very day of the quake are reporting a very strong one occurred at about 8:15 later that morning. That of all things belongs here. The initial inconsistencies (as most news still does to this day) in early reports. I have an article that says "no loss of life" along Market St. where "low rent and hotels" were located. Then 2 paragraphs later is speaks of the exact same location and says there is "expected to be great loss of life there." You see, there are two parts to this quake. One is a scientific look but the other is the historic look. History and science are two separate entities and so I feel that they should be separated. No, I don't mean no mentioning of science but it should be limited in this article. I am not an expert and have no experience to speak of with this subject. I just happened to be reading an old article and came here only to find it full of scientific information, rather than historic. I'll be happy to look up newspaper reports for anyone working on this article, but that's about the extent I'm qualified to do. Sorry this was so long. ETA.. this is probably useful from the National Archives with documents of the day, to include acts of heroism. MagnoliaSouth ( talk) 15:23, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
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There was a strong aftershock five minutes later- what was its intensity? What about other aftershocks in the following days? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.225.17.141 ( talk) 00:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
From the lead: "The events are remembered as one of the worst and deadliest earthquakes in the history of the United States." Surely it simply is the worst and deadliest? Certainly it is remembered as such. Are any others even comparable? Robina Fox ( talk) 00:19, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
disappointing to see a bunch of crap in this article beyond long since verified researched vetted facts - attempts to reframe events as caused by human activity for one
24.6.88.151 ( talk) 13:24, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
The Salinas River mouth did not change position as a result of the 1906 earthquake. This is an error propagated from a brief incorrect history written by the Census Bureau in 2016.
The 1908 Lawson report details damage to the Moss Landing area and does not reference this change. Just fractures and liquefaction. https://oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=hb1h4n989f&brand=oac4&doc.view=entire_text
This thesis attributes the change to a series of winter storms (1908-1909)and the decision of farmers to maintain the new channel position. See page 70 here:
https://library.elkhornslough.org/attachments/Schwartz_1983_Geologic_History_of_Elkhorn.pdf Feline cannon ( talk) 20:32, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
I have an italian tourist booklet that cannot be considered a WIKI-worth source, so I write this only because someone may recover this info from a suitable source and insert it if felt useful.
The fire was confined by firebreaks along the Van Ness Av., so destroyed essentially the east section
(in agreement with the map) 151.29.149.29 ( talk) 16:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)