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Just came to the article today, saw the "needs citations" banner, and as an independent non-editor, I recommedend that it be removed. There are no "needs citations" flags in the text, and there are a number of citations in place now.
I could be mistaken, but the main graphic, of the presidential election outcome on map, is confusing to me. Why here are republicans represented by blue states and democrats represented by red states. Am I missing out on a change in color association that was made some time ago? It is further confusing considering that all the states I would generally associate with voting liberal or conservative seem to be voting in the exactly opposite way they have for the past hundred years. Texas and most of the south for the democratic candidate and California and the east coast for a republican candidate. Somebody make sure that is right will you, and when you find out what on earth is going on somebody e-mail me please...natestaunton@hotmail.com
The colors didn't have any set standard until after the 2000 election. which actually set the standard we see today. The colored maps on television started in 1976. From 1976-1996 the Republicans were usually blue and Democrats red, but there were some networks that went the other way. A theory for Republicans being blue was that during the Civil War the Union had blue uniforms and all the republican states were in the North. Into the 20th century the red for the democrats could be that they are ideologically closer to Socialism and Communism the latter of which is identified with red. The modern day thought was red and republican both start with "r." Bbigjohnson ( talk) 10:57, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Over a one hundred year period states are going to change from one party to the other as their voters change. What made a state vote a certain way in 1876 or even 1976 isn't applicable now. California was a stone cold lock for republicans up until 1992. It just a few elections it has completely flipped. The South did not vote for a republican before or during the Civil War either. The party was formed leading up to 1860 Election. Lincoln wasn't even on the ballot in any of the southern states in either the 1860 or 1864 Election. The Civil Rights Act of 1964, had better support in the US Senate from the republicans (82%)27-6, than from the democrats (69%) 46-21 and in the US House (76%) of republicans and (61%) of the democrats. All of the democrats in the South (Dixiecrats) voted against it. The media never mentions these facts. Bbigjohnson ( talk) 10:57, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Should some mention be made of Gore Vidal's novel 1876, which is an important book centering on this election? Probably doesn't count as historical source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parkewilde ( talk • contribs) 01:39, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Anyone know why the format of the "The Controversy" headline is different to the others? -- Rebroad 23:10, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) i do be;ieve that by Ruthaford b hayes winning that election didnt help our si tuation bak the at al. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.228.8 ( talk) 19:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I added a link to the Compromise of 1877 in the "see also" section, but really it should be mentioned in more detail in the article. -- Marcus 2 Jun 2005
I added a sentence about it in the intro. -- Kevin 8 Feb 2006
Hayes won by heavy voting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.135.39.101 ( talk) 16:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Quoth the article:
This led to each state submitting two sets of returns, one certified by the state's Governor (favoring Hayes), and the other certified by the state's legislature (favoring Tilden).
Does anyone know exactly what this means? Were two entirely separate sets of electors assembled, each sending its own electoral votes to Congress? -- Jfruh 02:15, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Why is the graphic depiction of electoral votes skewed? Rarely nowadays does one see democratic votes colored red and and republican votes blue. -- maru (talk) Contribs 20:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Congressional acts regulating the conduct of presidential elections (1792 and 1845) both specified that vacancies among the Presidential Electors were to be filled by the remaining Electors. Oregon's Governor was unjustified in his attempt to certify one of the losing candidates.
In Ohio, the Electors recorded their proceedings in a book purchased by Gov. Hayes. This book was in use from 1868 until 1912. The book is currently held by the Ohio Historical Society. Chronicler3 18:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC) Chronicler3
I see in The North Carolina Electoral College: The People and the Process Behind the Vote that the first instance of a replacement Elector there was 1808. According to Ohio Elects the President the first time an Elector failed to show up was 1812 - apparently Ohio did not have a provision for filling vacancies at that time because the vote was lost. The next time an Elector did not show up in Ohio was 1844, and a replacement was chosen. Chronicler3 02:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC) Chronicler3
Is the buissiness about Wisconson having a Communist party that got 32 votes true? It sounds a little suspiscious to me. 68.39.174.238 17:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Peter Cooper had no middle name, or at least one that can be verified using Internet searches :-) . I am removing "Fennimore" until a citation can be given. For more information see: Talk:Peter Cooper
Lent 09:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
See: Biographical Directory of the United States Congress http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=C000216
Does anyone know if Colorado's appointment of electors by its legislature is the last instance of a state choosing its electors by some means other than a popular vote? -- Jfruh ( talk) 20:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Dare we note that in Palm Beach County a lot of votes were probably miscast because of the way the ballot was designed? And people thought 2000 was unprecedented! Timrollpickering 17:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
The section on Democratic Party nomination says "The 12th Democratic National Convention assembled in St. Louis just nine days after the sex scandal" but it does not reference what sex scandal they are talking about. Does anyone have enough info to correct this? Jablair51 16:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I've read somewhere that Hayes' victory was somehow influenced by then New York Times managing editor John C. Reid. Any evidence about this? 124.104.27.225 11:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC)Filipino_Reader
One of the elector numbers must be wrong: if Hayes got 165 votes at first and 19 were undecided, this does not add up to 185.-- Roentgenium111 ( talk) 22:11, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the headings for the convention results are beneath the actual results? This is confusing, as it appears as if the presidential candidates were the vice presidential candidates. Also, the style of these headings (purple with a red dashed border) is not consistent with the other articles in this series and obscures parts of the text. I will wait a few days and if no-one objects will change the headings to better fit the article. Nathaniel Greene ( talk) 21:25, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
The artcle acknowledges that there was systemic violence and fraud. How can there be "no question" who won the popular vote? 108.45.79.25 ( talk) 19:48, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
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In the Electoral Disputes section, it is very interestingly quoted that "In this election, many Democratic ballots were printed with the Republican symbol, Abraham Lincoln, on them", cited from the BBC. First, can we find an academic secondary source – newspapers are never perfect on academic facts, and we also want to be able to source things like specific states and counties in which the ballot ruse was committed.
More importantly (for both verification and as an important illustration to the reader), can anyone find an image of such a deceptive ballot? A google search turned up several Hayes–Tilden ballots, but they were all legit, though all from Northern states, so I'm thinking university libraries anywhere in key Southern states of the time like Virginia, Texas, and the Carolinas (and of course anywhere in DC) would be a good place to start looking. SamuelRiv ( talk) 00:07, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Did Tilden get 4,288,546 votes (as indicated in the top template) or 4,286,808 votes (as indicated in the body of the article? bd2412 T 20:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Something of the anti-Catholic sentiment evident in Rutherford B. Hayes#Private life and return to politics and File:Grant to Hayes - I guess that reform bait wont work this side. Better try and anti-Catholic worm LCCN2008661717.jpg should be added to this article. Daask ( talk) 14:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Under the Electoral disputes section there is a paragraph where it is speculated that without issues like voter intimidation and suppression, Hayes would have won the election anyway. First of all, I'm not sure this kind of what-iffing is appropriate for Wikipedia in the first place. Even if it is, the paragraph relies entirely on a single source - an article in a defunct newsletter (?) called Buttons and Ballots. I don't know how reliable this source is, but it's definitely not authoritative enough to warrant speculation about who would have won "fair and square". At the very least, more/better sources would be needed. Jah77 ( talk) 17:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
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Just came to the article today, saw the "needs citations" banner, and as an independent non-editor, I recommedend that it be removed. There are no "needs citations" flags in the text, and there are a number of citations in place now.
I could be mistaken, but the main graphic, of the presidential election outcome on map, is confusing to me. Why here are republicans represented by blue states and democrats represented by red states. Am I missing out on a change in color association that was made some time ago? It is further confusing considering that all the states I would generally associate with voting liberal or conservative seem to be voting in the exactly opposite way they have for the past hundred years. Texas and most of the south for the democratic candidate and California and the east coast for a republican candidate. Somebody make sure that is right will you, and when you find out what on earth is going on somebody e-mail me please...natestaunton@hotmail.com
The colors didn't have any set standard until after the 2000 election. which actually set the standard we see today. The colored maps on television started in 1976. From 1976-1996 the Republicans were usually blue and Democrats red, but there were some networks that went the other way. A theory for Republicans being blue was that during the Civil War the Union had blue uniforms and all the republican states were in the North. Into the 20th century the red for the democrats could be that they are ideologically closer to Socialism and Communism the latter of which is identified with red. The modern day thought was red and republican both start with "r." Bbigjohnson ( talk) 10:57, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Over a one hundred year period states are going to change from one party to the other as their voters change. What made a state vote a certain way in 1876 or even 1976 isn't applicable now. California was a stone cold lock for republicans up until 1992. It just a few elections it has completely flipped. The South did not vote for a republican before or during the Civil War either. The party was formed leading up to 1860 Election. Lincoln wasn't even on the ballot in any of the southern states in either the 1860 or 1864 Election. The Civil Rights Act of 1964, had better support in the US Senate from the republicans (82%)27-6, than from the democrats (69%) 46-21 and in the US House (76%) of republicans and (61%) of the democrats. All of the democrats in the South (Dixiecrats) voted against it. The media never mentions these facts. Bbigjohnson ( talk) 10:57, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Should some mention be made of Gore Vidal's novel 1876, which is an important book centering on this election? Probably doesn't count as historical source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parkewilde ( talk • contribs) 01:39, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Anyone know why the format of the "The Controversy" headline is different to the others? -- Rebroad 23:10, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) i do be;ieve that by Ruthaford b hayes winning that election didnt help our si tuation bak the at al. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.228.8 ( talk) 19:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I added a link to the Compromise of 1877 in the "see also" section, but really it should be mentioned in more detail in the article. -- Marcus 2 Jun 2005
I added a sentence about it in the intro. -- Kevin 8 Feb 2006
Hayes won by heavy voting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.135.39.101 ( talk) 16:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Quoth the article:
This led to each state submitting two sets of returns, one certified by the state's Governor (favoring Hayes), and the other certified by the state's legislature (favoring Tilden).
Does anyone know exactly what this means? Were two entirely separate sets of electors assembled, each sending its own electoral votes to Congress? -- Jfruh 02:15, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Why is the graphic depiction of electoral votes skewed? Rarely nowadays does one see democratic votes colored red and and republican votes blue. -- maru (talk) Contribs 20:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Congressional acts regulating the conduct of presidential elections (1792 and 1845) both specified that vacancies among the Presidential Electors were to be filled by the remaining Electors. Oregon's Governor was unjustified in his attempt to certify one of the losing candidates.
In Ohio, the Electors recorded their proceedings in a book purchased by Gov. Hayes. This book was in use from 1868 until 1912. The book is currently held by the Ohio Historical Society. Chronicler3 18:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC) Chronicler3
I see in The North Carolina Electoral College: The People and the Process Behind the Vote that the first instance of a replacement Elector there was 1808. According to Ohio Elects the President the first time an Elector failed to show up was 1812 - apparently Ohio did not have a provision for filling vacancies at that time because the vote was lost. The next time an Elector did not show up in Ohio was 1844, and a replacement was chosen. Chronicler3 02:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC) Chronicler3
Is the buissiness about Wisconson having a Communist party that got 32 votes true? It sounds a little suspiscious to me. 68.39.174.238 17:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Peter Cooper had no middle name, or at least one that can be verified using Internet searches :-) . I am removing "Fennimore" until a citation can be given. For more information see: Talk:Peter Cooper
Lent 09:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
See: Biographical Directory of the United States Congress http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=C000216
Does anyone know if Colorado's appointment of electors by its legislature is the last instance of a state choosing its electors by some means other than a popular vote? -- Jfruh ( talk) 20:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Dare we note that in Palm Beach County a lot of votes were probably miscast because of the way the ballot was designed? And people thought 2000 was unprecedented! Timrollpickering 17:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
The section on Democratic Party nomination says "The 12th Democratic National Convention assembled in St. Louis just nine days after the sex scandal" but it does not reference what sex scandal they are talking about. Does anyone have enough info to correct this? Jablair51 16:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I've read somewhere that Hayes' victory was somehow influenced by then New York Times managing editor John C. Reid. Any evidence about this? 124.104.27.225 11:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC)Filipino_Reader
One of the elector numbers must be wrong: if Hayes got 165 votes at first and 19 were undecided, this does not add up to 185.-- Roentgenium111 ( talk) 22:11, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the headings for the convention results are beneath the actual results? This is confusing, as it appears as if the presidential candidates were the vice presidential candidates. Also, the style of these headings (purple with a red dashed border) is not consistent with the other articles in this series and obscures parts of the text. I will wait a few days and if no-one objects will change the headings to better fit the article. Nathaniel Greene ( talk) 21:25, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
The artcle acknowledges that there was systemic violence and fraud. How can there be "no question" who won the popular vote? 108.45.79.25 ( talk) 19:48, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
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In the Electoral Disputes section, it is very interestingly quoted that "In this election, many Democratic ballots were printed with the Republican symbol, Abraham Lincoln, on them", cited from the BBC. First, can we find an academic secondary source – newspapers are never perfect on academic facts, and we also want to be able to source things like specific states and counties in which the ballot ruse was committed.
More importantly (for both verification and as an important illustration to the reader), can anyone find an image of such a deceptive ballot? A google search turned up several Hayes–Tilden ballots, but they were all legit, though all from Northern states, so I'm thinking university libraries anywhere in key Southern states of the time like Virginia, Texas, and the Carolinas (and of course anywhere in DC) would be a good place to start looking. SamuelRiv ( talk) 00:07, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Did Tilden get 4,288,546 votes (as indicated in the top template) or 4,286,808 votes (as indicated in the body of the article? bd2412 T 20:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Something of the anti-Catholic sentiment evident in Rutherford B. Hayes#Private life and return to politics and File:Grant to Hayes - I guess that reform bait wont work this side. Better try and anti-Catholic worm LCCN2008661717.jpg should be added to this article. Daask ( talk) 14:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Under the Electoral disputes section there is a paragraph where it is speculated that without issues like voter intimidation and suppression, Hayes would have won the election anyway. First of all, I'm not sure this kind of what-iffing is appropriate for Wikipedia in the first place. Even if it is, the paragraph relies entirely on a single source - an article in a defunct newsletter (?) called Buttons and Ballots. I don't know how reliable this source is, but it's definitely not authoritative enough to warrant speculation about who would have won "fair and square". At the very least, more/better sources would be needed. Jah77 ( talk) 17:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)