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The overture also is used in the cartoon "Two Stupid Dogs", as part of a recurring gag. Red sings a part of the overture whenever she is to crash into something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.173.226.152 ( talk) 08:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Why is this song played for patriotic American holidays? What do the Russians and French think of this?
"In 1974, lamenting the declining audiences attending the Boston Pops concerts at the Hatch Memorial Shell on the picturesque Charles River Esplanade - a tradition dating back to 1929 - Boston businessman, David Mugar and the legendary Boston Pops conductor, Arthur Fiedler, hatched a plan to enliven the concert. The crowd responded so enthusiastically to the revitalized program, the pair made it an annual event. The enthusiasm was due in no small part to the concert's featuring the "1812 Overture." The musical program featured booming cannons, ringing church bells, patriotic sing-alongs, and a grand fireworks finale. The Boston event became the first to play the overture as part of a Fourth of July celebration. The innovation has since been duplicated in countless cities around the country." Copyright © Dave Lampson, 1996-9. from http://www.classical.net/music/comp.lst/works/tchaikov/1812.html Could someone more Wiki proficient add this to the main page, please? ---- Burningchrome 22:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
The War of 1812 was by no means a defeat for the United States. Every grievance that they had was corrected (impressment of sailors by the Royal Navy, inability to trade neutrally with Europe, Indian raiders armed by the British, etc.) either directly or indirectly through the course of war, and the high material cost of the war has to be balanced with the surge of patriotism after the Battle of New Orleans and the subsequent "Era of Good Feelings". On the other hand, Britain was primarily involved in stopping Napoleon, did not gain anything from the War of 1812, and the only claim they have to victory is that the Americans did not succeed in annexing Canada, which was not a war goal. Chaparral2J ( talk) 19:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Once again the point must be restated. America held New Orleans against the British. And the stagnation of the UK persisted (to this day), as the ascent of the US continued. As to Canada, yes, the US did not make territorial gains, but neither did Britain. And one must look past this time to see Americas continued growth in strength and size while Britain began to lose ground across the entire globe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.95.241.57 ( talk) 05:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
There is simply no way that the War of 1812 can be considered a US "defeat" -- the main problem facing Madison was that the Brits were interfering with US shipping in the Atlantic, which was the backbone of the early US economy. Check the wiki article for other reasons -- kidnapping US sailors, Brits siding with various native American nations, etc. Upon signing of the peace accords, those issues were resolved favorably for the US. Still, the Brits did torch the White House, so I guess the war can't be considered an unqualifed victory. I've always thought of it as more of a fight to tie up the loose ends from the Revolution, which it did.
I also disagree with this business of most Americans not knowing that the Overture was based on Napoleon's pyrrhic victory at Borodino. I grew up in rural Virginia and upon hearing it as a child, knew that it had to do with Napoleon and Moscow, but I admit I was little fuzzy as to why. The simple reason that it's so popular with US audiences (and everywhere else I bet) is that it's a sonic tour de force, perfect for family-oriented concerts, especially those big outdoor performances. IvyGold ( talk) 22:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
"While this piece has little connection with United States history..." It would be more accurate to state that the piece has NO connection with US history. 24.69.71.254 ( talk) 20:54, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with America. The USA has much to recommend it, but stealing a work of Tchaikovsky is an insult to European culture. Guv2006 ( talk) 18:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't have any "problem" if you are referring to me. I merely stated that Tchaikovsky's work ought not to be hijacked and used out of context by a country unconnected to Russia (and which for many decades has actually had an anti-Russian stance), when Tchaikovsky wrote it as a patriotic piece for his homeland. Guv2006 ( talk) 13:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Between all that talk going on regarding the 1812 War (USA), I really don't feel that there should be such large sections dedicated to the performances on July 4th in the US and so on. The piece is performed on various occasions all over the world and I think it's okay (citing the Wikipedia NPOV Guideline) to delete these sections. red ( talk) 02:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
See also Talk:1812 Overture/Archive 1#Americo-centric lede. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 09:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be one recording most used on TV and radio, one I've heard a thousand times (I know it's the same one I am remembering). It's the version used at the end of V for Vendetta [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8fI-dGWT74&feature=related ] and has artificial bells and big drums for the cannons (rather than real cannon sounds). Does anyone know which recording this is? It would be notable given it's frequent referencing. 86.7.211.128 ( talk) 01:32, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there any especially pressing reason for retaining the 43 seconds of Perschbacher's organ performance? On the one hand, the work is quite often arranged for organ and thus used by organists as a showpiece; on the other, there is no mention of this fact at all in the article (and the snippet hardly uses the most flashy nor even the most famous moment). Was the snippet included in lieu of a full orchestral version being included (much like MIDI files are often used where no legally available recording is available)? Personally, I would tend to exclude any arrangement of a work from its article unless there is a strong reason for retaining that arrangement. I would certainly also tend towards removing any "added sound sample" where someone has gone on to "add audio of the whole thing" thus appearing to make the first version superfluous. (I am aware, of course, that even the precise orchestral arrangement of "the whole thing"—with or without full choir and "real" cannons—is debatable and varies from performance to performance but that's for another day, perhaps.) Any one have any other thoughts on this? -- Jubilee ♫ clipman 16:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
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TheFeds 08:19, 20 August 2012 (UTC)This would be a good classical piece to have a section showing its place in popular culture; I glanced over the article and only saw the reference to V for Vendetta, but it has been in plenty more movies and TV shows than just that one. The one that I remember best is a commercial for the Quaker cereals Puffed Wheat and Puffed Rice that showed cereal being shot from cannons; there was even a lyric in the commercial that was sung along with the piece: "This is the cereal that's shot from guns!" Shocking Blue ( talk) 12:25, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=525136 Mercury records catalog SRI75142. "Performed by the Minneapolis Symphony Orchestra and the University of Minnesota Brass Band conducted by Antal Dorati, this recording also features the Bells of the Harness Memorial Tower in Yale University, two 6 pound bronze cannon and a 12 pound howitzer" It also includes a recording of Wellington's Victory featuring "a brace of French muskets and cannon". No mention of a narration track and more firepower than a single shot dubbed in sixteen times. Bizzybody ( talk) 05:54, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
There are gobs of original research and opinions littered throughout the article. Some of them could possibly be cured by adding references, if there are any. I'll concentrate here on just one paragraph in the Musical Structure section, starting with a single, illustrative, fragment:
...the score calls for five Russian cannon shots confronting a boastfully repetitive fragment of La Marseillaise.
Oh, really? boastfully repetitive? This, and most of this entire paragraph was added in version 117039718 of 22 March 2007 06:54, by user 70.224.78.161. I'm amazed that this has lasted six years with no challenge, as it is utterly unsubstantiated, as is most of the rest of the section. (There are two references, #5 and #6 at this writing, in that section, one of which is a link to some U of T Lecture slides that does give an analysis of the piece, but the claims made in the article are not substantiated by that reference. The other footnote is a music reference.)
This section, and others added by this author (and others) should be referenced, or thrown out:
Mathglot ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure about www.Tchaikovsky-research.net. It says, "This on-going project is the product of collaboration of Tchaikovsky scholars and enthusiasts worldwide...." I'm going to remove it, because the scholars seem to be anonymous, and I am unenthusiastic about the enthusiasm of enthusiasts. But it's probably okay in the external links section. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 20:16, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
How long is the overture? Are there "standard" shortenings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.71.125.114 ( talk) 23:04, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I believe the Cincinatti Pops (w/ Erich Kunzel) Recording deserves mention in this article. Not only because it is an extraordinary performance but also for the details. The 12" Vinyl print goes way beyond the specs in terms of dynamics. That virtually makes the recording the Benchmark piece for High-End Recordplayers and Stereos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.11.142 ( talk) 19:37, 27 August 2014 (UTC) It has also been remastered and printed on SACD and DVD-A 78.53.11.142 ( talk) 19:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
What does this mean? After reading the comment section and seeing another editor has called the phrase out it still seems highly POV. I am substituting it for, "to counter a fragment of" If anyone feels differently can we at least discuss what "boastfully repetitive fragment" even means before reverting it back? Cheers! Xenomorph erotica ( talk) 16:57, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi all. this was me. I've read the past discussion and some have decried any mention at all of the 1812's use in the 4th of July as American-centric, but V for Vendetta isn't far more oddly impertinent than that? I find it baffling that 1812's role in V for Vendetta is mentioned but that its most popular association among the majority of the English-speaking world is not. The whole reason it's used in V for Vendetta is that the connotative meaning of the Overture has been somewhat usurped to a message of freedom over ostensibly unfair tyranny.
It's not as if there's any shortage of sources attesting to the notability of the 1812 Overture's use as a 4th of July hymn. I just pulled the first three sources on a google search that looked reasonable. I'm expecting to hear the same people responsible for keeping this off the article objecting to my addition here, so if you have objections, please discuss. Thank you.-- Louiedog ( talk) 04:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I have a copy of the performance of the 1812 Overture, with actual cannon, performed by the United States Military Academy Band at West Point. Choral parts were sung by the US Army Chorus, in the original Russian. The recording was made by the Band, live as performed (I attended the performance), and hence includes crowd noise and applause at the end.
Is this something that would enhance this page? If so, I would be happy to upload it.
Also, perhaps a section should be included in the main page that lists periodic public performances of this piece. I believe the Boston Pops does it every 4th of July. The West Point Band does it every Labor Day weekend. I am certain those are not the only two performances. It would be useful to list if cannon are used or not. BTCG 16:34, 29 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BTCG ( talk • contribs)
Because of the huge disparity in volume between cannons and cellos (and other orchestral instruments), the live reproduction of Tchaikovsky's written score can result in some of the greatest dynamic range (difference between the loudest and softest sounds) of any live music - even more so than the rock family of genres, which are well known for ear-damaging sound pressure levels. But for recording technicians and audio enthusiasts, the attraction to the 1812 Overture is capturing and reproducing a recording of a live performance, and specifically maintaining the highest level of dynamism possible considering the limitations of a given recording and reproduction technology. In fact, a particular recording by Telarc Records to LP (Long Play) is well known amongst audiophiles as the test of the entire playback chain from phonograph stylus to speakers. An example of audio enthusiasts discussing the abilities of various high-end products to reproduce with fidelity is posted here: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-telarc-1812-test.477436/ An interview with Stan Ricker describing the unique technique required to master such enormous dynamic range is found here (search for 1812): http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue2/ricker2.htm The grooves carved into the vinyl by the SPLs (Sound Pressure Levels) of cannon explosions deviate so wildly from that of a typical classical orchestra that the spacing between tracks must be increased inordinately. This not only results in a more rapid depletion of the space available on an LP, but also in grooves that can be easily discerned from the surrounding untouched vinyl by the unaided eye as in this photo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/41002268@N03/5903358408 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noiseiron ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
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How come this article contains the full audio of the concerned piece as opposed to just a 30-second sample from it? Wasn't it made clear that audio clips should be no more than 30 seconds long? -- Fandelasketchup ( talk) 19:31, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
I have to wonder as to this assertion that 16 cannon, preloaded, must be used, there being no time to reload cannons.
Back in the days of muzzle-loading cannon, naval (and other?) salutes were fired at 5 second intervals between shots. Often two cannon could be used, alternating rounds.
Indeed, special saluting cannon of small-bore were developed to facilitate the process. And for ceremonial use survived well past the introduction of breech-loading artillery.
The use of carbide cannon or some aerosol propellant (e.g. hair spray) fueled cannon would also alter this consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mds1110 ( talk • contribs) 06:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
That's what I want to know. Why is this piece called an overture? Is it common for composers to write overtures that are not followed by a full performance? Is it meant to be an 'overture' to the celebrations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by A. Christopher ( talk • contribs) 19:21, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I once heard a bit on public radio about the recording made at West Point. The folks at the record company were initially very sheepish about approaching the commandant about something so seemingly far-removed from military matters as an orchestral recording -- but it turned out that he was thrilled to have an excuse to fire the cannon (which they had a museum piece) and was an enthusiastic participant in the process. I'll see if I can verify. PurpleChez ( talk) 21:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph makes the following claim with no citation to follow.
Year 1812 Solemn Overture, Op. 49, popularly known as the 1812 Overture, is a concert overture in E♭ major written in 1880 by Russian composer Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky to commemorate the successful Russian defense against Napoleon's invading Grande Armée in 1812.
After some cursory research, I wasn't able to find a reputable source that validates this claim. Should it be removed? Ceryliae ( talk) 19:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
The consensus at WP:RD/L#Cannon vs cannons seems to be that the article should use the word "cannons" throughout. Any comments? Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
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The overture also is used in the cartoon "Two Stupid Dogs", as part of a recurring gag. Red sings a part of the overture whenever she is to crash into something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.173.226.152 ( talk) 08:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Why is this song played for patriotic American holidays? What do the Russians and French think of this?
"In 1974, lamenting the declining audiences attending the Boston Pops concerts at the Hatch Memorial Shell on the picturesque Charles River Esplanade - a tradition dating back to 1929 - Boston businessman, David Mugar and the legendary Boston Pops conductor, Arthur Fiedler, hatched a plan to enliven the concert. The crowd responded so enthusiastically to the revitalized program, the pair made it an annual event. The enthusiasm was due in no small part to the concert's featuring the "1812 Overture." The musical program featured booming cannons, ringing church bells, patriotic sing-alongs, and a grand fireworks finale. The Boston event became the first to play the overture as part of a Fourth of July celebration. The innovation has since been duplicated in countless cities around the country." Copyright © Dave Lampson, 1996-9. from http://www.classical.net/music/comp.lst/works/tchaikov/1812.html Could someone more Wiki proficient add this to the main page, please? ---- Burningchrome 22:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
The War of 1812 was by no means a defeat for the United States. Every grievance that they had was corrected (impressment of sailors by the Royal Navy, inability to trade neutrally with Europe, Indian raiders armed by the British, etc.) either directly or indirectly through the course of war, and the high material cost of the war has to be balanced with the surge of patriotism after the Battle of New Orleans and the subsequent "Era of Good Feelings". On the other hand, Britain was primarily involved in stopping Napoleon, did not gain anything from the War of 1812, and the only claim they have to victory is that the Americans did not succeed in annexing Canada, which was not a war goal. Chaparral2J ( talk) 19:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Once again the point must be restated. America held New Orleans against the British. And the stagnation of the UK persisted (to this day), as the ascent of the US continued. As to Canada, yes, the US did not make territorial gains, but neither did Britain. And one must look past this time to see Americas continued growth in strength and size while Britain began to lose ground across the entire globe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.95.241.57 ( talk) 05:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
There is simply no way that the War of 1812 can be considered a US "defeat" -- the main problem facing Madison was that the Brits were interfering with US shipping in the Atlantic, which was the backbone of the early US economy. Check the wiki article for other reasons -- kidnapping US sailors, Brits siding with various native American nations, etc. Upon signing of the peace accords, those issues were resolved favorably for the US. Still, the Brits did torch the White House, so I guess the war can't be considered an unqualifed victory. I've always thought of it as more of a fight to tie up the loose ends from the Revolution, which it did.
I also disagree with this business of most Americans not knowing that the Overture was based on Napoleon's pyrrhic victory at Borodino. I grew up in rural Virginia and upon hearing it as a child, knew that it had to do with Napoleon and Moscow, but I admit I was little fuzzy as to why. The simple reason that it's so popular with US audiences (and everywhere else I bet) is that it's a sonic tour de force, perfect for family-oriented concerts, especially those big outdoor performances. IvyGold ( talk) 22:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
"While this piece has little connection with United States history..." It would be more accurate to state that the piece has NO connection with US history. 24.69.71.254 ( talk) 20:54, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with America. The USA has much to recommend it, but stealing a work of Tchaikovsky is an insult to European culture. Guv2006 ( talk) 18:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't have any "problem" if you are referring to me. I merely stated that Tchaikovsky's work ought not to be hijacked and used out of context by a country unconnected to Russia (and which for many decades has actually had an anti-Russian stance), when Tchaikovsky wrote it as a patriotic piece for his homeland. Guv2006 ( talk) 13:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Between all that talk going on regarding the 1812 War (USA), I really don't feel that there should be such large sections dedicated to the performances on July 4th in the US and so on. The piece is performed on various occasions all over the world and I think it's okay (citing the Wikipedia NPOV Guideline) to delete these sections. red ( talk) 02:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
See also Talk:1812 Overture/Archive 1#Americo-centric lede. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 09:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be one recording most used on TV and radio, one I've heard a thousand times (I know it's the same one I am remembering). It's the version used at the end of V for Vendetta [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8fI-dGWT74&feature=related ] and has artificial bells and big drums for the cannons (rather than real cannon sounds). Does anyone know which recording this is? It would be notable given it's frequent referencing. 86.7.211.128 ( talk) 01:32, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there any especially pressing reason for retaining the 43 seconds of Perschbacher's organ performance? On the one hand, the work is quite often arranged for organ and thus used by organists as a showpiece; on the other, there is no mention of this fact at all in the article (and the snippet hardly uses the most flashy nor even the most famous moment). Was the snippet included in lieu of a full orchestral version being included (much like MIDI files are often used where no legally available recording is available)? Personally, I would tend to exclude any arrangement of a work from its article unless there is a strong reason for retaining that arrangement. I would certainly also tend towards removing any "added sound sample" where someone has gone on to "add audio of the whole thing" thus appearing to make the first version superfluous. (I am aware, of course, that even the precise orchestral arrangement of "the whole thing"—with or without full choir and "real" cannons—is debatable and varies from performance to performance but that's for another day, perhaps.) Any one have any other thoughts on this? -- Jubilee ♫ clipman 16:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
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TheFeds 08:19, 20 August 2012 (UTC)This would be a good classical piece to have a section showing its place in popular culture; I glanced over the article and only saw the reference to V for Vendetta, but it has been in plenty more movies and TV shows than just that one. The one that I remember best is a commercial for the Quaker cereals Puffed Wheat and Puffed Rice that showed cereal being shot from cannons; there was even a lyric in the commercial that was sung along with the piece: "This is the cereal that's shot from guns!" Shocking Blue ( talk) 12:25, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=525136 Mercury records catalog SRI75142. "Performed by the Minneapolis Symphony Orchestra and the University of Minnesota Brass Band conducted by Antal Dorati, this recording also features the Bells of the Harness Memorial Tower in Yale University, two 6 pound bronze cannon and a 12 pound howitzer" It also includes a recording of Wellington's Victory featuring "a brace of French muskets and cannon". No mention of a narration track and more firepower than a single shot dubbed in sixteen times. Bizzybody ( talk) 05:54, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
There are gobs of original research and opinions littered throughout the article. Some of them could possibly be cured by adding references, if there are any. I'll concentrate here on just one paragraph in the Musical Structure section, starting with a single, illustrative, fragment:
...the score calls for five Russian cannon shots confronting a boastfully repetitive fragment of La Marseillaise.
Oh, really? boastfully repetitive? This, and most of this entire paragraph was added in version 117039718 of 22 March 2007 06:54, by user 70.224.78.161. I'm amazed that this has lasted six years with no challenge, as it is utterly unsubstantiated, as is most of the rest of the section. (There are two references, #5 and #6 at this writing, in that section, one of which is a link to some U of T Lecture slides that does give an analysis of the piece, but the claims made in the article are not substantiated by that reference. The other footnote is a music reference.)
This section, and others added by this author (and others) should be referenced, or thrown out:
Mathglot ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure about www.Tchaikovsky-research.net. It says, "This on-going project is the product of collaboration of Tchaikovsky scholars and enthusiasts worldwide...." I'm going to remove it, because the scholars seem to be anonymous, and I am unenthusiastic about the enthusiasm of enthusiasts. But it's probably okay in the external links section. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 20:16, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
How long is the overture? Are there "standard" shortenings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.71.125.114 ( talk) 23:04, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I believe the Cincinatti Pops (w/ Erich Kunzel) Recording deserves mention in this article. Not only because it is an extraordinary performance but also for the details. The 12" Vinyl print goes way beyond the specs in terms of dynamics. That virtually makes the recording the Benchmark piece for High-End Recordplayers and Stereos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.11.142 ( talk) 19:37, 27 August 2014 (UTC) It has also been remastered and printed on SACD and DVD-A 78.53.11.142 ( talk) 19:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
What does this mean? After reading the comment section and seeing another editor has called the phrase out it still seems highly POV. I am substituting it for, "to counter a fragment of" If anyone feels differently can we at least discuss what "boastfully repetitive fragment" even means before reverting it back? Cheers! Xenomorph erotica ( talk) 16:57, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi all. this was me. I've read the past discussion and some have decried any mention at all of the 1812's use in the 4th of July as American-centric, but V for Vendetta isn't far more oddly impertinent than that? I find it baffling that 1812's role in V for Vendetta is mentioned but that its most popular association among the majority of the English-speaking world is not. The whole reason it's used in V for Vendetta is that the connotative meaning of the Overture has been somewhat usurped to a message of freedom over ostensibly unfair tyranny.
It's not as if there's any shortage of sources attesting to the notability of the 1812 Overture's use as a 4th of July hymn. I just pulled the first three sources on a google search that looked reasonable. I'm expecting to hear the same people responsible for keeping this off the article objecting to my addition here, so if you have objections, please discuss. Thank you.-- Louiedog ( talk) 04:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I have a copy of the performance of the 1812 Overture, with actual cannon, performed by the United States Military Academy Band at West Point. Choral parts were sung by the US Army Chorus, in the original Russian. The recording was made by the Band, live as performed (I attended the performance), and hence includes crowd noise and applause at the end.
Is this something that would enhance this page? If so, I would be happy to upload it.
Also, perhaps a section should be included in the main page that lists periodic public performances of this piece. I believe the Boston Pops does it every 4th of July. The West Point Band does it every Labor Day weekend. I am certain those are not the only two performances. It would be useful to list if cannon are used or not. BTCG 16:34, 29 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BTCG ( talk • contribs)
Because of the huge disparity in volume between cannons and cellos (and other orchestral instruments), the live reproduction of Tchaikovsky's written score can result in some of the greatest dynamic range (difference between the loudest and softest sounds) of any live music - even more so than the rock family of genres, which are well known for ear-damaging sound pressure levels. But for recording technicians and audio enthusiasts, the attraction to the 1812 Overture is capturing and reproducing a recording of a live performance, and specifically maintaining the highest level of dynamism possible considering the limitations of a given recording and reproduction technology. In fact, a particular recording by Telarc Records to LP (Long Play) is well known amongst audiophiles as the test of the entire playback chain from phonograph stylus to speakers. An example of audio enthusiasts discussing the abilities of various high-end products to reproduce with fidelity is posted here: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-telarc-1812-test.477436/ An interview with Stan Ricker describing the unique technique required to master such enormous dynamic range is found here (search for 1812): http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue2/ricker2.htm The grooves carved into the vinyl by the SPLs (Sound Pressure Levels) of cannon explosions deviate so wildly from that of a typical classical orchestra that the spacing between tracks must be increased inordinately. This not only results in a more rapid depletion of the space available on an LP, but also in grooves that can be easily discerned from the surrounding untouched vinyl by the unaided eye as in this photo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/41002268@N03/5903358408 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noiseiron ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
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How come this article contains the full audio of the concerned piece as opposed to just a 30-second sample from it? Wasn't it made clear that audio clips should be no more than 30 seconds long? -- Fandelasketchup ( talk) 19:31, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
I have to wonder as to this assertion that 16 cannon, preloaded, must be used, there being no time to reload cannons.
Back in the days of muzzle-loading cannon, naval (and other?) salutes were fired at 5 second intervals between shots. Often two cannon could be used, alternating rounds.
Indeed, special saluting cannon of small-bore were developed to facilitate the process. And for ceremonial use survived well past the introduction of breech-loading artillery.
The use of carbide cannon or some aerosol propellant (e.g. hair spray) fueled cannon would also alter this consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mds1110 ( talk • contribs) 06:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
That's what I want to know. Why is this piece called an overture? Is it common for composers to write overtures that are not followed by a full performance? Is it meant to be an 'overture' to the celebrations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by A. Christopher ( talk • contribs) 19:21, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I once heard a bit on public radio about the recording made at West Point. The folks at the record company were initially very sheepish about approaching the commandant about something so seemingly far-removed from military matters as an orchestral recording -- but it turned out that he was thrilled to have an excuse to fire the cannon (which they had a museum piece) and was an enthusiastic participant in the process. I'll see if I can verify. PurpleChez ( talk) 21:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph makes the following claim with no citation to follow.
Year 1812 Solemn Overture, Op. 49, popularly known as the 1812 Overture, is a concert overture in E♭ major written in 1880 by Russian composer Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky to commemorate the successful Russian defense against Napoleon's invading Grande Armée in 1812.
After some cursory research, I wasn't able to find a reputable source that validates this claim. Should it be removed? Ceryliae ( talk) 19:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
The consensus at WP:RD/L#Cannon vs cannons seems to be that the article should use the word "cannons" throughout. Any comments? Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)