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If you need evidence, I have the pictures. Will upload as soon as I'm near a scanner. Also some amazing picks of Peace Barbie Ethnopunk 11:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- It would be great to have some pictures of the South Africa demonstration, one thing that this article is missing is more photos. Unfortunatly I don't think that photos are appropreate to show that the demonstration was organised by Laugh Not War and War is a Drag (as was the assersion in the previous version). They may be okay to back up the statment that those groups were involved but idealy we need referances to writtern sources (they don't have to be internet baced). The reason for evidence isn't that i don't belive you, it is just so the article is verifyable, see Cite your sources.-- JK the unwise 14:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I have some Cape Town photos at indybay, and will dual license under the GFDL and upload to commons if they are useful. I think the in-the-crowd photos are better than the fuzzy mass photos, if only because the Stop the war poster became a Stop W poster :). -- Jeandré, 2006-05-03 t20:38z
Photo's look good and would certianly add some thing to the article.-- JK the unwise 13:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Should the article name refer to which war was protested, or that it was an international event? At present, the name seems to be lacking something as it is extremely vague. Harr o 5 08:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- There has been some eariler discusion of the name when
Violetriga suggested that wemove the page to
Global day of protests against the invasion of Iraq however I pointed out that there were at least two other such days (though none as big)(
Talk:February 15, 2003 anti-war protest/Archive1#Article name). Prehaps we could change the name to
February 15, 2003 protests against the Iraq war but thats rather long.--
JK the unwise 08:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Or just "February 15, 2003 anti-Iraq war protests". I think it needs that plural for protest as it was a series of protests interconnected but nor directly related. Thoughts? Harr o 5 09:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- I personally see nothing wrong with the present name. It's quick and simple, and matches other similar protest days in its format. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 13:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Beirut information seems to have been anonymously removed without comment. I suggest that someone re-check sources and either restore it or indicate here why it was removed. - Jmabel | Talk 04:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I replaced the Beirut info' as it is sourced in the Green left review article; to quote; "In the Middle East, 10,000 protested in Damascus, Syria, on February 15, as did 10,000 in Beirut, Lebanon, and 5000 in Amman, Jordan." [1].-- JK the unwise 22:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
The Hollywood Bl.
event also included Sunset Bl., & Highland Av. That would be more accurate. Do you want more accuracy? @ the time, I'd been a Koreatown | Westlake District resident { Southeastern Hollywood}.
Thank You.
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This London Telegraph article supports the view that considerably more than 750,000 protesters turned out on that cold day. [2] SMB
If you look at allItalic text the listings where a police estimate is given, it invariably is below other estimates given for the same event. The supposed reason for this phenomena is that demonstrations by their very nature are anti-government policy and the police are defenders of that policy. Therefore, lowering the numbers creates an impression that is favourable to the gov. 46.7.85.68 ( talk) 14:21, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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Great article -- well done to all concerned! Rosa Lichtenstein ( talk) 15:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Apparently nothing happened in DC that day... Samstein ( talk) 20:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
- Find a good quotable source and sick some stuff in.--
JK the unwise (
talk) 19:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed, it appears that nothing happened in DC that particular time, as we've not found any reliable sources to substantiate a DC action. And it's not that surprising. Generally, DC will be the main demonstration, or DC will be completely out of it. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 23:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I will have to locate citations, but I know there were fairly large protests in D.C. that day because I was there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.34.199 ( talk) 21:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
There's various parts here that read more like a personal account of the day, or a blog: e.g.
- "On the day of the protest, the weather was grey and cold, but people were in high spirits..."
- "Those that had to get coaches back to their home locations had to abandon the march before it had finished "
- "Protesters who managed to reach Hyde Park in time .....but many protesters missed out"
Paulbrock ( talk) 19:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Then go ahead in and fix it. See if you can remove some of the worst offenses. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 23:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- I've edited it best I can, does it read more like an encyclopaedia now? can I remove the tag?-- JK the unwise ( talk) 11:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- I was wondering about style here too. The london demo is the only one with an in-depth look at how it was organised (with a special section devoted to it). It's interesting but given the protests were as significant in Italy, Spain, the US and Australia (for example) but these were organised in different ways, should they have their own similar sections - or if that would make it too bulky should the UKbit be pared down? 87.114.69.171 ( talk) 12:22, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't the "polar" section be "Antarctica" to correspond with all the other section headers being continents? 121.92.103.243 ( talk) 07:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
The last sentence is a quote by a Hizb-ut-Tahrir member. I think this adds no value to the section or the piece as Hizb-ut-Tahrir's ultra Islamic views neither represent worldwide Muslim opinion or that in the UK, furthermore it fails to offer any substantial addition for the section, I propose its removal. -- 90.215.98.245 ( talk) 13:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I added that sentence myself not because it is supposed to represent general views of any particular population but because it shows how a supposedly unsuccessful peace-protest can affect the mind of someone with extremist views. It was intended to back up (with a citation) the preceding two sentences. I leave the final decision in the hands of others with more experience though Weavehole ( talk) 09:14, 26 September 2010 (UTC)weavehole
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If you need evidence, I have the pictures. Will upload as soon as I'm near a scanner. Also some amazing picks of Peace Barbie Ethnopunk 11:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- It would be great to have some pictures of the South Africa demonstration, one thing that this article is missing is more photos. Unfortunatly I don't think that photos are appropreate to show that the demonstration was organised by Laugh Not War and War is a Drag (as was the assersion in the previous version). They may be okay to back up the statment that those groups were involved but idealy we need referances to writtern sources (they don't have to be internet baced). The reason for evidence isn't that i don't belive you, it is just so the article is verifyable, see Cite your sources.-- JK the unwise 14:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- I have some Cape Town photos at indybay, and will dual license under the GFDL and upload to commons if they are useful. I think the in-the-crowd photos are better than the fuzzy mass photos, if only because the Stop the war poster became a Stop W poster :). -- Jeandré, 2006-05-03 t20:38z
Photo's look good and would certianly add some thing to the article.-- JK the unwise 13:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Should the article name refer to which war was protested, or that it was an international event? At present, the name seems to be lacking something as it is extremely vague. Harr o 5 08:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- There has been some eariler discusion of the name when
Violetriga suggested that wemove the page to
Global day of protests against the invasion of Iraq however I pointed out that there were at least two other such days (though none as big)(
Talk:February 15, 2003 anti-war protest/Archive1#Article name). Prehaps we could change the name to
February 15, 2003 protests against the Iraq war but thats rather long.--
JK the unwise 08:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Or just "February 15, 2003 anti-Iraq war protests". I think it needs that plural for protest as it was a series of protests interconnected but nor directly related. Thoughts? Harr o 5 09:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- I personally see nothing wrong with the present name. It's quick and simple, and matches other similar protest days in its format. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 13:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Beirut information seems to have been anonymously removed without comment. I suggest that someone re-check sources and either restore it or indicate here why it was removed. - Jmabel | Talk 04:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I replaced the Beirut info' as it is sourced in the Green left review article; to quote; "In the Middle East, 10,000 protested in Damascus, Syria, on February 15, as did 10,000 in Beirut, Lebanon, and 5000 in Amman, Jordan." [1].-- JK the unwise 22:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
The Hollywood Bl.
event also included Sunset Bl., & Highland Av. That would be more accurate. Do you want more accuracy? @ the time, I'd been a Koreatown | Westlake District resident { Southeastern Hollywood}.
Thank You.
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[[ hopiakuta | [[ [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] -]] 00:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
This London Telegraph article supports the view that considerably more than 750,000 protesters turned out on that cold day. [2] SMB
If you look at allItalic text the listings where a police estimate is given, it invariably is below other estimates given for the same event. The supposed reason for this phenomena is that demonstrations by their very nature are anti-government policy and the police are defenders of that policy. Therefore, lowering the numbers creates an impression that is favourable to the gov. 46.7.85.68 ( talk) 14:21, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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Great article -- well done to all concerned! Rosa Lichtenstein ( talk) 15:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Apparently nothing happened in DC that day... Samstein ( talk) 20:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
- Find a good quotable source and sick some stuff in.--
JK the unwise (
talk) 19:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed, it appears that nothing happened in DC that particular time, as we've not found any reliable sources to substantiate a DC action. And it's not that surprising. Generally, DC will be the main demonstration, or DC will be completely out of it. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 23:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I will have to locate citations, but I know there were fairly large protests in D.C. that day because I was there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.34.199 ( talk) 21:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
There's various parts here that read more like a personal account of the day, or a blog: e.g.
- "On the day of the protest, the weather was grey and cold, but people were in high spirits..."
- "Those that had to get coaches back to their home locations had to abandon the march before it had finished "
- "Protesters who managed to reach Hyde Park in time .....but many protesters missed out"
Paulbrock ( talk) 19:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Then go ahead in and fix it. See if you can remove some of the worst offenses. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 23:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- I've edited it best I can, does it read more like an encyclopaedia now? can I remove the tag?-- JK the unwise ( talk) 11:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- I was wondering about style here too. The london demo is the only one with an in-depth look at how it was organised (with a special section devoted to it). It's interesting but given the protests were as significant in Italy, Spain, the US and Australia (for example) but these were organised in different ways, should they have their own similar sections - or if that would make it too bulky should the UKbit be pared down? 87.114.69.171 ( talk) 12:22, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't the "polar" section be "Antarctica" to correspond with all the other section headers being continents? 121.92.103.243 ( talk) 07:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
The last sentence is a quote by a Hizb-ut-Tahrir member. I think this adds no value to the section or the piece as Hizb-ut-Tahrir's ultra Islamic views neither represent worldwide Muslim opinion or that in the UK, furthermore it fails to offer any substantial addition for the section, I propose its removal. -- 90.215.98.245 ( talk) 13:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I added that sentence myself not because it is supposed to represent general views of any particular population but because it shows how a supposedly unsuccessful peace-protest can affect the mind of someone with extremist views. It was intended to back up (with a citation) the preceding two sentences. I leave the final decision in the hands of others with more experience though Weavehole ( talk) 09:14, 26 September 2010 (UTC)weavehole
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