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I first thought he isn't because he distantiates himself from being one in an interview from CNN. But because Wikipedia users always change it back to White Supremacist based on liberal sources I 'm convinced and this is totally according to WP and objective and not an opinion for sure. Thanks for informing me Wikipedia. UshilRasnal ( talk) 19:40, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
He literally said Asians are superior to whites. Doesn't that prove that he isn't a white supremacist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.85.58.229 ( talk) 22:41, 30 October 2017
Wait, so anyone who thinks that a race of people has interests as a group and should protect their borders and other rights is a supremacist? So basically 95% of the planet [and basically everyone who is not White] would be a supremacist, by this logic? 24.79.130.133 ( talk) 07:40, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Jared Taylor is NOT a white supremacist! He has stated numerous times that he has no desire to be in a dominate position over any race. Jared has stated numerous times that Asians have shown higher scores on IQ tests just has he has stated whites core higher than blacks. And he uses documented tests to gain his conclusion. White supremacists do not acknowledge any race intellectually superior than its own! Jared Taylor is a segregationist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TTTTyson ( talk • contribs) 06:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
How is Jordan Peterson a white supremacist? Can anyone reason on wikipedia without blindly reading left-wing sources? White supremacists assert that white people are morally superior, and often biologically superior (using pseudo-science), compared to non-whites. Jared Taylor NEVER says ANYTHING like this. He simply wants America to be white because thats how it started off. Hitler was a white supremacist. Alfred Rosenberg was a white supremacist. David Duke is a white supremacist (as it has been quoted: "White people don't need a law against rape, but if you fill this room up with your normal black bucks, you would, because niggers are basically primitive animals."). HOWEVER, Jared Taylor IS A WHITE NATIONALIST. Can anybody offer me a quote from him that proves his perception that whites are morally and/or biologically superior to other non-white groups? No. Because he is a white nationalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.170.116 ( talk) 04:08, 4 April 2018
Wikipedia reports what independent reliable sources say, not what we determine to be true. If independent reliable sources said Jared Taylor is a cheese sandwich, Wikipedia would say he is a cheese sandwich. In the present case, independent reliable sources say he is a white supremacist, so Wikipedia says he is a white supremacist.
If you disagree with the sources, feel free to contact them and try to convince them of your position. When those sources begin to say that he is a cheese sandwich, white communalist, segregationist, Asian supremacist, etc. then that is what Wikipedia will say. - SummerPhD v2.0 12:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Not one single shred of evidence has been brought forth to link Jared Taylor with white supremacy. I would recommend for this reason, wikipedia implement some kind policy change. That is, it can't be enough just to cite a so called "reputable" source and ask their off-hand opinion about a subject that they themselves picked up from the mainstream media, which itself is highly biased and not very reputable.
If we were to implement wikipedia's policy rigidly and across the board, reputable sources would be allowed to get cited even if they make false claims. Surely this cannot be the proper way to go about things.
Until someone can provide substantive evidence to back up the "white supremacist" label, it needs to be promptly removed. KevinGrem ( talk) 19:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
So you're saying that it's ok for wikipedia to present false information, as long as the person who presents the information is deemed a reputable source? Oh this should be fun : ) KevinGrem ( talk) 20:03, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
And also, even if it were the case that Jared Taylor is a white supremacist, it doesn't mean that it ought to be made his primary identity. Before he published American Renaissance, he was a computer programmer. It would be easy to find independent, reliable sources to back up that claim. So why not present him as a computer programmer, who, on the side, has been described as a white supremacist? KevinGrem ( talk) 20:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
And also, even if it were the case that Jared Taylor is a white supremacist, it doesn't mean that it ought to be made his primary identity. Before he published American Renaissance, he was a computer programmer.The article is about what he is notable for. Taylor is not notable computer programmer, he is however a notable white supremacist. — Strongjam ( talk) 20:18, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Jared Taylor is an author with 2 degrees. American Renaissance does not publish white supremacist ideas. It speaks on white issues and advocates for white racial consciousness. Taylor has even stated that whites are not superior to east asians. What white supremacist would ever make a statement like that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinGrem ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
"Taylor has even stated that whites are not superior to east asians...", cited sources have noted that white supremacists have a bit of an asian fixation. ( Ny Times) So while you think it may be magnamanius for the likes of Taylor to express his <3 for "east asians", that kinda neglects the hate and denigration that supremacist heap upon Jews and African-Americans. TheValeyard ( talk) 01:30, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
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04:45, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[1] Seems like at least an incredibly bold edit. Where's the discussion? -- Ronz ( talk) 15:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
I tend to agree with Rockypedia: "white nationalist" is a euphemism. I don't suppose it's the end of the world if we mention that term, but if so, it must be in addition to—not instead of—"white supremacist" which is the generic term according to an ample number of reliable sources. It's very important that we don't inadvertently sanitize articles by omitting "white supremacist". Rivertorch FIRE WATER 04:46, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
White nationalism needs to be put back in lede. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.170.116 ( talk) 08:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
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::::I do not think ithttps://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jared_Taylor&diff=next&oldid=825177842 should be changed because "White nationalist" more accurately describes his beliefs. He does not want to oppress any other races. He does not want to harm anyone. His views are highly intelligent, and none of you could beat him in a debate. I disagree that "supremacist" should be in there at all. I do not agree with or care about what Wikipedia considers reliable sources. I think those "reliable sources" are biased and lying. He just argues for freedom of association. But that's my opinion. My argument towards this conversation is that it should not change because he is a nationalist, not supremacist. When he states that Blacks have a lower IQ on average than Whites, that is a statement of undeniable statistical fact. Facts aren't racist. White people are not responsible whatsoever for the failure of Blacks to succeed at the same rate, or any social problems of any minorities WHATSOEVER.
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Why is Jared Taylor called a "White supremacist" in the lede (which is objectively BS in my POV but that's neither here nor there) but not Dr. Kevin B. MacDonald or Revilo P. Oliver? Oliver, especially, was far more extreme in his rhetoric. A legit question that should definitely be answered!
Oliver is described as someone who became a "polemicist" for "White supremacy" but it does NOT point-blank, matter-of-factly state he WAS a White supremacist in his article! 184.53.32.188 ( talk) 12:33, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
184.53.32.54 ( talk) 05:09, 30 April 2018 (UTC)Why was Wikipedia content FOR YEARS referring to him as an American White nationalist? WHY CHANGE IT NOW when there were "reliable" sources that called him a "supremacist" back then? Is it Wikipedia policy where even if a "reliable source" has a clear liberal bias, it be presented as fact? I am not accusing Wikipedia of liable, but the biased sources they should reject clearly are. 184.53.32.54 ( talk) 05:09, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
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talk)This briefly came up at least once before, but should the 'Bibliography' section be limited to books published by reputable independent publishers? Taylor is the president of the New Century Foundation, which is listed as publisher of all of his books of the last twenty years. As far as I know, there is no specific guideline for this, but typically WP:SPS works are not included in such sections. Grayfell ( talk) 19:20, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
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Taylor is not a "white supremacist." He is a "white advocate." Calling him the former is tendentious. FustelDeCoulanges ( talk) 03:28, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Now that Rockypedia has been banned after being exposed as a sockpuppeteer, I think it might be worth it to see what the consensus is without him and, possibly, the other accounts he was using to agree with himself. NFLExpert49 ( talk) 19:21, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jared_Taylor&oldid=prev&diff=852251297 I was asked to clarify. If you follow the reference it goes to a Google books page, specifically one of the book's reference pages. One of the listed references appears to be the actual reference that should be used. However, if you try to follow that reference it leads to a dead page. In neither instance does the location the link ends up at meet the standard of a reference, so I removed it. It seems pretty straightforward to me but if reference pages and dead links are now okay for Wikipedia then by all means, keep the reversion, I've noticed an overall lowering of standards on the site in step with the increased politicisation of certain pages. Yb2 ( talk) 10:27, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
The article states "Taylor also asserts that there are racial differences in intelligence among the various ethno-racial groups across the world." Um... excuse me? TAYLOR ASSERTS that? He's the one who asserts that? This article seems to assert that he just pulled that assertion out of his backside because he can read IQ statistics and takes note of their blindingly obvious conclusions (the sophistic blabber and mental gymnastic explanations of liberal academics notwithstanding). The article also claims that he supports the White genocide conspiracy theory. He does point out the statistically projected demographic fact that all people are European descent are headed toward extinction, however, he does not personally use the term "White genocide". I do not believe this article is intentionally a smear, but many reasonable people may see it that way. I do heavily dispute the neutrality of this article, however. It does appear to have been written by people who do not care for him. 184.53.33.235 ( talk) 07:38, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Taylor is on record as saying he advocates separate race-based polities for those who want to, including whites or blacks. So "white separatist" would probably be more accurate than "white supremacist". He may well be a secret white supremacist (as might any white person), but he's not on record as saying so. I've no interest in living in such a place, but it's anybody's right to do so if they want, and their stated views should be honestly represented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.209.29 ( talk • contribs)
https://www.cnet.com/news/white-nationalist-jared-taylor-american-renaissance-sues-twitter-for-account-suspension/ https://www.wnyc.org/story/what-white-separatist-expects-trump-administration/
There are three reliable sources per Wikipedia policy calling Taylor a White seperatist. Anything but "White supremacist". For God's sake, that label needs to be retired. It is a totally unhelpful, insanely stupid term to describe the extremely valid concerns felt by tens of millions of people of European heritage all around the planet (and growing exponentially). It may not be what Jared would identify as. But literally anything could can think of would be more accurate than "supremacist" nonsense. 184.53.33.151 ( talk) 11:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
We've been through this repeatedly. (I'd provide links to the archived discussions, but it's most of the archive.) While it is always possible that new sources or insight will change the consensus, continuing to beat the same dead horse will not. - SummerPhD v2.0 00:59, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
Whilst and organisation need to be changed to while and organization, respectively. Don't care where the Suidlanders are from, the article is about an American. Also, shouldn't Genocide have a capital G? 71.226.227.121 ( talk) 17:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
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Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white nationalist (not to be confused with white supremacist). Pabloinhisprime ( talk) 23:33, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
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change the term white Supremacist to white nationalist. Jared Taylor is not a "White Supremacist" he is a "White Nationalist". He does not preach white superiority only a white ethnostate. Lalayon ( talk) 22:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. "White Supremacy" is when someone is interested in dominating other races. Jared Taylor has NEVER expressed any such interest. Ever.
I have attempted many times to make a more fair and accurate description of the man, but people KEEP CHANGING MY EDITS. Stop reverting my edits when you don't know what you're talking about and you're wrong. I know for a fact Taylor is not a white supremacist, although he has been described as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinGrem ( talk • contribs) 02:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Is it necessary to highlight where Taylor was born in the first sentence of the lead? It does not make much sense to me, but want to check in here before removing. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 00:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
See their contributions [3] - blocked once for pushing racism. Doug Weller talk 13:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
The debate over whether it's fair to call him a "white supremacist" based on media descriptions of him aside, why should that be the lead? Being a white supremacist doesn't make a person notable. Some nobody living in his parents' basement could be a white supremacist. What makes Taylor notable is he is an author and public speaker. That should be the first line: Jared Taylor is an American author and public speaker. NFLExpert49 ( talk) 21:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
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In the first sentence, it states that Jared Taylor is a white supremacist, he is not, and also claims that he is not. He is a white advocate, very different from supremacist. I hope you the reader takes this into consideration, thank you. Tayyab2462 ( talk) 23:15, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
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Change "White Supremacist" to "White Nationalist". Psychoticflora ( talk) 15:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I've got you covered. This should suffice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly0L4QHFjhs It's an interview from 2016. White Supremacists by definition believe the white race is superior in all ways. He actually considers those of the Asian race to be generally superior. If you need more just let me know. There are other interviews and articles, though it's generally the same as the one provided. The terms White Nationalist, or even Racist (though that's a little less accurate, it's still close enough), would be much better.
He is indeed Called a White Supremacist by many media sources, but that's generally just a tagline used to draw in views. Wikipedia is supposed to be less biased than media, so using the wrong terms is troubling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.237.90 ( talk) 00:26, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
My god. People are right about wikipedia aren't they? I mean, I've seen other conversations that were concerning, but understandably up for debate, so I held onto hope. In this case though, his position is clear, backed by countless interviews and the definition of "white supremacist" is clear. But like Every Single Talk topic I have read, the response is the same. Absolute, resolute denial, without discussion, and more importantly, without just cause. This should be a simple, obvious fix.
I've posted a novel's worth of text in past about this type of subject. So, as my last response, and my last use of wikipedia, I wont waste any more effort trying to convince someone who, regardless of their position, shuts down any dissenting position.
Wikipedia is no longer about facts. At least, when it comes to anything political. It all has to fit the liberal narrative, or it is bluntly denied, regardless of the evidence or sources provided. I'm a left leaning centrist and even I'm disgusted by wikipedia, or rather, the people who have authority here.
Edit: Btw, you ASKED for a reliable source. Once provided, you then screech "we've been through this." effectively shutting the conversation down. That has been the case almost every time on every topic. Just sayin...
So much for neutrality and sticking to facts aye?
Feel free to delete this. I could care less. Just hoping there's a chance, however slim, that someone in the wiki community reads this, and realizes what liberal, biased garbage this community, primarily those in charge, has become.
PS, feel free to IP ban me as well. I've learned that's SOP now for anyone that speaks out about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.237.90 ( talk) 00:46, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
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A certain group of posters have policed this talk page to ensure that despite the dozens upon dozens of protests over the lead asserting that Taylor is a "white supremacist" (a change which was originally enacted by a user who was banned for sockpuppetry, I might add), the lead doesn't change. They assert that the lead must stay as is because there are reliable secondary sources alleging the label, and there is consensus for the lead being what it is. Except Wikipedia's guidelines never say that reliable secondary sources are the be-all-end-all of how to ascertain fact. They also don't say that users must discount primary sources. They say to use them with "caution." Finally, and most importantly, the guidelines make it clear that users are allowed to use COMMON SENSE and CRITICAL THINKING when trying to ascertain the reliability and accuracy of a source on a certain subject. One editor here claims that if reliable sources said that Jared Taylor was a cheese sandwich, Wikipedia would label him a cheese sandwich. Well, that's ridiculous, and a complete misrepresentation of Wikipedia's policy. If a supposedly reliable secondary source called Jared Taylor a cheese sandwich, we could dismiss the source as reliable on this particular subject, because logic and critical thinking demonstrate that the claim is factually false. We are not told to just blindly accept something just because it comes from a reliable secondary source. We are not told to just regurgitate reliable secondary sources and ignore any problems with them. That is not how you build an ACCURATE encyclopedia, which is clearly what the whole point of Wikipedia is. We're supposed to check facts. And part of fact checking is analyzing whether or not supposedly reliable sources did a good job with their fact checking. In the case of Taylor, they clearly did not. Not one of the sources provided any supporting evidence for their label. There is plenty of evidence from reliable secondary sources demonstrating Taylor is not a white supremacist, such as the reliable secondary source dictionary definition of "white supremacist" being compared with reliable secondary sources consistently showing everything Taylor is ever on record for saying is NOT in accordance with said definition. That's not original research; that's editors looking at what reliable secondary sources actually demonstrate and using logic to determine that the label does not apply. NFLExpert49 ( talk) 19:12, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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I move that Taylor be described as a White advocate, for that is what he is. He is not a “White supremacist”. As a historical term, that needs to be retired. 184.53.32.212 ( talk) 14:04, 24 December 2018 (UTC) |
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The SPLC is a radical leftist organization that the FBI has dropped from its list of partners because they are far-left extremists. They should not be considered a reliable source. The ADL also has had links to organized crime from its inception and has been involved in countless crimes and underhanded conduct. They are not reliable source on who is or isn’t a “White supremacist” or anything else. They should be dropped from ever being used as sources for Wikipedia. Therese groups have no moral right or basis to be the arbiters of what is “hate” or what isn’t. 184.53.32.212 ( talk) 14:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC) |
I have a simple question: Is the goal of Wikipedia to repeat what "reliable secondary sources" say, or is it to be accurate? If "reliable secondary sources" say something that every reasonable person knows is false (by simply using common sense), are editors just supposed to ignore common sense and make edits they know are false? Because, that's what's going on here with the lead. NFLExpert49 ( talk) 04:26, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
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To edit for partisan bias and defamatory untruth which will only seek to create further racial divides in this country. This man does not consider himself a racist nor do many who follow him, it should say this here. 216.70.29.154 ( talk) 06:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
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peoplewould be selected by white supremacists, I suppose? No, they are the same ideology. " White nationalism" was coined by white supremacists in the 1970s as a way to make white supremacy sound more palatable. Some white supremacists have tried to build an ideology out of this distinction without a difference, and over the years, some academics and journalists have fallen for it. It's no longer all that palatable, though. Hence "white advocate", "white separatist", "white identitarian" etc. Reliable sources recognize this ideology for what it is, more or less, even if they don't always agree on the terminology. Grayfell ( talk) 08:52, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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Change "Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white supremacist[2] and editor of American Renaissance, a white supremacist online magazine Taylor founded in 1990." to "Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white advocate and editor of American Renaissance, a white nationalist online magazine Taylor founded in 1990."
This is to better reflect the idealogy that Jared Taylor subscribes to. Sueszelma123 ( talk) 20:43, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
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American White Supremacist“Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white supremacist” Well that’s a libelous whopper. If you call someone a pedophile and they are not a pedophile, they can sue you. The same is true for “White Supremacist”. As a historical term, that honest and truly needs to be retired. It adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. Millions and millions of more and more people are coming to hold views that could be described as such. Does Taylor merely believing that the West should remain European make him a “White supremacist”? Does pointing out the fact that you can’t have Western Civilization without White people make you one? Liberal journalists and academics and editorialists cited by Wikipedia are not reliable sources that keep in line with Wikipedia’s claim to neutrality. Anyone with a left-wing bias should never be cited due to Wikipedia’s claim to neutrality. Can anyone PLEASE explain to be how White nationalism is different from Zionism? Wikipedia does not condemn Zionism. It does condemn White nationalism. Why? Zionists believe that the Jews have a right to their historic homeland. White nationalists believe the same about their own nations, but for White people. Why is one bad but not the other? X06 ( talk) 14:39, 9 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Remove : is an American white supremacist [ this is in contradiction to wiki definition of supremacist 'belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them.' from watching a few interviews with Taylor it is clear that this is meant as a smear also some other definitions of Taylor might be incorrect . pages like this with sloppy descriptions, I believe will be more harmful in the long run 92.251.54.232 ( talk) 04:27, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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==White Supremacist is a libelous whopper== This is not a forum or soapboxy comment, all arguments I am making are pertaining to the article’s lede. I don’t care what the “reliable sources” say. If “reliable sources” commit libel, they should not be used by Wikipedia. The ADL and the SPLC are a bunch of liars. How can the SPLC still be treated as a valid source by Wikipedia after the mountains of scandals that have erupted as of late? If advocating for the interests of White people makes Jared Taylor a “White Supremacist”, then does not advocating for the rights of Jewish people as the Defamation League does make them “Jewish supremacists? Why is it okay to advocate for Israel being a Jewish state, but White people have to become minorities in all of their historic homelands???? Mr. Taylor is described as a “White supremacist” because he believes White have a right to remain the majorities in our historic homelands. The “reliable” sources, for that reason, label him a White supremacist. Okay. Then by that logic, advocating Israel being a majority Jewish state would de facto mean that ANYONE who holds that position be labeled by Wikipedia as a Jewish supremacist. Any Japanese person who wants Japan to remain ethnically Japanese would have to be labeled a “Japanese Supremacist”. But why doesn’t Wikipedia do that? Wikipedia doesn’t want to create the impression that the reality is that Jews are powerful and White people are marginalized, now does it? I know I made a few brief arguments but they all pertained to the lede and improving this article. I and tens of thousands of other people who read that lede demand explanations and I propose that it be changed to White advocate. Unless Wikipedia believes that there can’t be such a thing? X06 ( talk) 07:41, 12 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Jared Taylor is the Editor of American Renaissance and the president of New Century Foundation. Describing him as a 'white supremacist' is not correct; he describes himself as an advocate for the white race. I have watched many of his videos and I have not seen him do or say anything to suggest he is a white supremacist. Samthewikieditor ( talk) 19:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Jared Taylor is the Editor of American Renaissance and the president of the New Century Foundation. Describing him as a 'white supremacist' is not correct; he describes himself as an advocate for the white race. I have watched many of his videos and I have not seen him do or say anything to suggest he is a white supremacist.
If you watch the following video and fast-forward to 12:58, you can see that he doesn't even identify himself as a white nationalist. Furthermore, he explains his views on white nationalist at 13:59. Taylor also talks about his religious views as being a Presbyterian at 20:20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmWBYrMv7O8
A more accurate biography should read: "Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is the Editor for American Renaissance (an online magazine he founded in 1990), and the president of New Century Foundation. Taylor is a Presbyterian and an advocate for the white race all over the world."
PS. I have updated the request of July 1st to remove 'white nationalist' which was also incorrect. Also, I have included his religion for those interested to know about that as well.
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A picture can be worth a thousand words. The subject of race is probably beyond the possibility of rationality transcending biases or political cultural identity. Wikipedia tries, and the test of the article is as objective as the subtext of terms allows. I contend that the photo of Taylor is that of an arrogant smug individual.
I'm sure there are more neutral photos of Jared Taylor that would not have this characteristic. As an assignment for a social psychology student, put the current photo with a neutral one and one that indicates benevolent wisdom. Have multiple choice of characteristics that describes the person. I've seen doctoral theses based on less than this. Arodb ( talk) 15:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
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“White Supremacist” as a historical term needs to be retired. He wants America and Europe to remain majority European. That does NOT make him a White Supremacist. He does not want to bring back Jim Crow or colonialism. He just wants freedom of association for all races. Would Wikipedia be this hostile and offensive towards a Zionist who wanted Israel to remain majority Jewish if Jews were threatened with minority status in Israel? Why is there no phrase in academic circles called “Jewish Supremacist”? More and more Arab land is being stolen on a constant basis, daily murder, genocide and brutality by the Israelis occurs against Palestine, and yet even the most feverish Israeli expansionists are never called “Jewish Supremacist”? Why the double standard against White people? Let’s just cut the crap. The media, academia, and the establishment are biased against White people. Just as I’m sure if Wikipedia had been founded in the Soviet Union, they’d have had all sorts of nasty names for the (soon to be deceased) people who were anti-Communist in their articles. Truth is whatever those in power decide it to be. And Jared Taylor, whatever the biased and lying “reliable sources” say, is merely a White advocate. He advocates for the continued existence of White people. He doesn’t want White people to rule over or oppress anyone. 184.53.33.152 ( talk) 01:41, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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I was adding some citations regarding Jared Taylor's views on race but then my edit gets reverted. What was it within my edit that was found to be disagreeable? All the sources that I added corroborate Mr. Taylor's racial views reliably and accurately yet I was still reverted. MichelinDiode ( talk) 04:32, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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I first thought he isn't because he distantiates himself from being one in an interview from CNN. But because Wikipedia users always change it back to White Supremacist based on liberal sources I 'm convinced and this is totally according to WP and objective and not an opinion for sure. Thanks for informing me Wikipedia. UshilRasnal ( talk) 19:40, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
He literally said Asians are superior to whites. Doesn't that prove that he isn't a white supremacist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.85.58.229 ( talk) 22:41, 30 October 2017
Wait, so anyone who thinks that a race of people has interests as a group and should protect their borders and other rights is a supremacist? So basically 95% of the planet [and basically everyone who is not White] would be a supremacist, by this logic? 24.79.130.133 ( talk) 07:40, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Jared Taylor is NOT a white supremacist! He has stated numerous times that he has no desire to be in a dominate position over any race. Jared has stated numerous times that Asians have shown higher scores on IQ tests just has he has stated whites core higher than blacks. And he uses documented tests to gain his conclusion. White supremacists do not acknowledge any race intellectually superior than its own! Jared Taylor is a segregationist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TTTTyson ( talk • contribs) 06:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
How is Jordan Peterson a white supremacist? Can anyone reason on wikipedia without blindly reading left-wing sources? White supremacists assert that white people are morally superior, and often biologically superior (using pseudo-science), compared to non-whites. Jared Taylor NEVER says ANYTHING like this. He simply wants America to be white because thats how it started off. Hitler was a white supremacist. Alfred Rosenberg was a white supremacist. David Duke is a white supremacist (as it has been quoted: "White people don't need a law against rape, but if you fill this room up with your normal black bucks, you would, because niggers are basically primitive animals."). HOWEVER, Jared Taylor IS A WHITE NATIONALIST. Can anybody offer me a quote from him that proves his perception that whites are morally and/or biologically superior to other non-white groups? No. Because he is a white nationalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.170.116 ( talk) 04:08, 4 April 2018
Wikipedia reports what independent reliable sources say, not what we determine to be true. If independent reliable sources said Jared Taylor is a cheese sandwich, Wikipedia would say he is a cheese sandwich. In the present case, independent reliable sources say he is a white supremacist, so Wikipedia says he is a white supremacist.
If you disagree with the sources, feel free to contact them and try to convince them of your position. When those sources begin to say that he is a cheese sandwich, white communalist, segregationist, Asian supremacist, etc. then that is what Wikipedia will say. - SummerPhD v2.0 12:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Not one single shred of evidence has been brought forth to link Jared Taylor with white supremacy. I would recommend for this reason, wikipedia implement some kind policy change. That is, it can't be enough just to cite a so called "reputable" source and ask their off-hand opinion about a subject that they themselves picked up from the mainstream media, which itself is highly biased and not very reputable.
If we were to implement wikipedia's policy rigidly and across the board, reputable sources would be allowed to get cited even if they make false claims. Surely this cannot be the proper way to go about things.
Until someone can provide substantive evidence to back up the "white supremacist" label, it needs to be promptly removed. KevinGrem ( talk) 19:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
So you're saying that it's ok for wikipedia to present false information, as long as the person who presents the information is deemed a reputable source? Oh this should be fun : ) KevinGrem ( talk) 20:03, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
And also, even if it were the case that Jared Taylor is a white supremacist, it doesn't mean that it ought to be made his primary identity. Before he published American Renaissance, he was a computer programmer. It would be easy to find independent, reliable sources to back up that claim. So why not present him as a computer programmer, who, on the side, has been described as a white supremacist? KevinGrem ( talk) 20:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
And also, even if it were the case that Jared Taylor is a white supremacist, it doesn't mean that it ought to be made his primary identity. Before he published American Renaissance, he was a computer programmer.The article is about what he is notable for. Taylor is not notable computer programmer, he is however a notable white supremacist. — Strongjam ( talk) 20:18, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Jared Taylor is an author with 2 degrees. American Renaissance does not publish white supremacist ideas. It speaks on white issues and advocates for white racial consciousness. Taylor has even stated that whites are not superior to east asians. What white supremacist would ever make a statement like that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinGrem ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
"Taylor has even stated that whites are not superior to east asians...", cited sources have noted that white supremacists have a bit of an asian fixation. ( Ny Times) So while you think it may be magnamanius for the likes of Taylor to express his <3 for "east asians", that kinda neglects the hate and denigration that supremacist heap upon Jews and African-Americans. TheValeyard ( talk) 01:30, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
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I tend to agree with Rockypedia: "white nationalist" is a euphemism. I don't suppose it's the end of the world if we mention that term, but if so, it must be in addition to—not instead of—"white supremacist" which is the generic term according to an ample number of reliable sources. It's very important that we don't inadvertently sanitize articles by omitting "white supremacist". Rivertorch FIRE WATER 04:46, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
White nationalism needs to be put back in lede. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.170.116 ( talk) 08:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
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Why is Jared Taylor called a "White supremacist" in the lede (which is objectively BS in my POV but that's neither here nor there) but not Dr. Kevin B. MacDonald or Revilo P. Oliver? Oliver, especially, was far more extreme in his rhetoric. A legit question that should definitely be answered!
Oliver is described as someone who became a "polemicist" for "White supremacy" but it does NOT point-blank, matter-of-factly state he WAS a White supremacist in his article! 184.53.32.188 ( talk) 12:33, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
184.53.32.54 ( talk) 05:09, 30 April 2018 (UTC)Why was Wikipedia content FOR YEARS referring to him as an American White nationalist? WHY CHANGE IT NOW when there were "reliable" sources that called him a "supremacist" back then? Is it Wikipedia policy where even if a "reliable source" has a clear liberal bias, it be presented as fact? I am not accusing Wikipedia of liable, but the biased sources they should reject clearly are. 184.53.32.54 ( talk) 05:09, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
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Taylor is not a "white supremacist." He is a "white advocate." Calling him the former is tendentious. FustelDeCoulanges ( talk) 03:28, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Now that Rockypedia has been banned after being exposed as a sockpuppeteer, I think it might be worth it to see what the consensus is without him and, possibly, the other accounts he was using to agree with himself. NFLExpert49 ( talk) 19:21, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jared_Taylor&oldid=prev&diff=852251297 I was asked to clarify. If you follow the reference it goes to a Google books page, specifically one of the book's reference pages. One of the listed references appears to be the actual reference that should be used. However, if you try to follow that reference it leads to a dead page. In neither instance does the location the link ends up at meet the standard of a reference, so I removed it. It seems pretty straightforward to me but if reference pages and dead links are now okay for Wikipedia then by all means, keep the reversion, I've noticed an overall lowering of standards on the site in step with the increased politicisation of certain pages. Yb2 ( talk) 10:27, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
The article states "Taylor also asserts that there are racial differences in intelligence among the various ethno-racial groups across the world." Um... excuse me? TAYLOR ASSERTS that? He's the one who asserts that? This article seems to assert that he just pulled that assertion out of his backside because he can read IQ statistics and takes note of their blindingly obvious conclusions (the sophistic blabber and mental gymnastic explanations of liberal academics notwithstanding). The article also claims that he supports the White genocide conspiracy theory. He does point out the statistically projected demographic fact that all people are European descent are headed toward extinction, however, he does not personally use the term "White genocide". I do not believe this article is intentionally a smear, but many reasonable people may see it that way. I do heavily dispute the neutrality of this article, however. It does appear to have been written by people who do not care for him. 184.53.33.235 ( talk) 07:38, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Taylor is on record as saying he advocates separate race-based polities for those who want to, including whites or blacks. So "white separatist" would probably be more accurate than "white supremacist". He may well be a secret white supremacist (as might any white person), but he's not on record as saying so. I've no interest in living in such a place, but it's anybody's right to do so if they want, and their stated views should be honestly represented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.209.29 ( talk • contribs)
https://www.cnet.com/news/white-nationalist-jared-taylor-american-renaissance-sues-twitter-for-account-suspension/ https://www.wnyc.org/story/what-white-separatist-expects-trump-administration/
There are three reliable sources per Wikipedia policy calling Taylor a White seperatist. Anything but "White supremacist". For God's sake, that label needs to be retired. It is a totally unhelpful, insanely stupid term to describe the extremely valid concerns felt by tens of millions of people of European heritage all around the planet (and growing exponentially). It may not be what Jared would identify as. But literally anything could can think of would be more accurate than "supremacist" nonsense. 184.53.33.151 ( talk) 11:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
We've been through this repeatedly. (I'd provide links to the archived discussions, but it's most of the archive.) While it is always possible that new sources or insight will change the consensus, continuing to beat the same dead horse will not. - SummerPhD v2.0 00:59, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
Whilst and organisation need to be changed to while and organization, respectively. Don't care where the Suidlanders are from, the article is about an American. Also, shouldn't Genocide have a capital G? 71.226.227.121 ( talk) 17:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
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Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white nationalist (not to be confused with white supremacist). Pabloinhisprime ( talk) 23:33, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
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change the term white Supremacist to white nationalist. Jared Taylor is not a "White Supremacist" he is a "White Nationalist". He does not preach white superiority only a white ethnostate. Lalayon ( talk) 22:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. "White Supremacy" is when someone is interested in dominating other races. Jared Taylor has NEVER expressed any such interest. Ever.
I have attempted many times to make a more fair and accurate description of the man, but people KEEP CHANGING MY EDITS. Stop reverting my edits when you don't know what you're talking about and you're wrong. I know for a fact Taylor is not a white supremacist, although he has been described as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinGrem ( talk • contribs) 02:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Is it necessary to highlight where Taylor was born in the first sentence of the lead? It does not make much sense to me, but want to check in here before removing. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 00:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
See their contributions [3] - blocked once for pushing racism. Doug Weller talk 13:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
The debate over whether it's fair to call him a "white supremacist" based on media descriptions of him aside, why should that be the lead? Being a white supremacist doesn't make a person notable. Some nobody living in his parents' basement could be a white supremacist. What makes Taylor notable is he is an author and public speaker. That should be the first line: Jared Taylor is an American author and public speaker. NFLExpert49 ( talk) 21:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
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In the first sentence, it states that Jared Taylor is a white supremacist, he is not, and also claims that he is not. He is a white advocate, very different from supremacist. I hope you the reader takes this into consideration, thank you. Tayyab2462 ( talk) 23:15, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
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Change "White Supremacist" to "White Nationalist". Psychoticflora ( talk) 15:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I've got you covered. This should suffice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly0L4QHFjhs It's an interview from 2016. White Supremacists by definition believe the white race is superior in all ways. He actually considers those of the Asian race to be generally superior. If you need more just let me know. There are other interviews and articles, though it's generally the same as the one provided. The terms White Nationalist, or even Racist (though that's a little less accurate, it's still close enough), would be much better.
He is indeed Called a White Supremacist by many media sources, but that's generally just a tagline used to draw in views. Wikipedia is supposed to be less biased than media, so using the wrong terms is troubling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.237.90 ( talk) 00:26, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
My god. People are right about wikipedia aren't they? I mean, I've seen other conversations that were concerning, but understandably up for debate, so I held onto hope. In this case though, his position is clear, backed by countless interviews and the definition of "white supremacist" is clear. But like Every Single Talk topic I have read, the response is the same. Absolute, resolute denial, without discussion, and more importantly, without just cause. This should be a simple, obvious fix.
I've posted a novel's worth of text in past about this type of subject. So, as my last response, and my last use of wikipedia, I wont waste any more effort trying to convince someone who, regardless of their position, shuts down any dissenting position.
Wikipedia is no longer about facts. At least, when it comes to anything political. It all has to fit the liberal narrative, or it is bluntly denied, regardless of the evidence or sources provided. I'm a left leaning centrist and even I'm disgusted by wikipedia, or rather, the people who have authority here.
Edit: Btw, you ASKED for a reliable source. Once provided, you then screech "we've been through this." effectively shutting the conversation down. That has been the case almost every time on every topic. Just sayin...
So much for neutrality and sticking to facts aye?
Feel free to delete this. I could care less. Just hoping there's a chance, however slim, that someone in the wiki community reads this, and realizes what liberal, biased garbage this community, primarily those in charge, has become.
PS, feel free to IP ban me as well. I've learned that's SOP now for anyone that speaks out about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.237.90 ( talk) 00:46, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
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A certain group of posters have policed this talk page to ensure that despite the dozens upon dozens of protests over the lead asserting that Taylor is a "white supremacist" (a change which was originally enacted by a user who was banned for sockpuppetry, I might add), the lead doesn't change. They assert that the lead must stay as is because there are reliable secondary sources alleging the label, and there is consensus for the lead being what it is. Except Wikipedia's guidelines never say that reliable secondary sources are the be-all-end-all of how to ascertain fact. They also don't say that users must discount primary sources. They say to use them with "caution." Finally, and most importantly, the guidelines make it clear that users are allowed to use COMMON SENSE and CRITICAL THINKING when trying to ascertain the reliability and accuracy of a source on a certain subject. One editor here claims that if reliable sources said that Jared Taylor was a cheese sandwich, Wikipedia would label him a cheese sandwich. Well, that's ridiculous, and a complete misrepresentation of Wikipedia's policy. If a supposedly reliable secondary source called Jared Taylor a cheese sandwich, we could dismiss the source as reliable on this particular subject, because logic and critical thinking demonstrate that the claim is factually false. We are not told to just blindly accept something just because it comes from a reliable secondary source. We are not told to just regurgitate reliable secondary sources and ignore any problems with them. That is not how you build an ACCURATE encyclopedia, which is clearly what the whole point of Wikipedia is. We're supposed to check facts. And part of fact checking is analyzing whether or not supposedly reliable sources did a good job with their fact checking. In the case of Taylor, they clearly did not. Not one of the sources provided any supporting evidence for their label. There is plenty of evidence from reliable secondary sources demonstrating Taylor is not a white supremacist, such as the reliable secondary source dictionary definition of "white supremacist" being compared with reliable secondary sources consistently showing everything Taylor is ever on record for saying is NOT in accordance with said definition. That's not original research; that's editors looking at what reliable secondary sources actually demonstrate and using logic to determine that the label does not apply. NFLExpert49 ( talk) 19:12, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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I move that Taylor be described as a White advocate, for that is what he is. He is not a “White supremacist”. As a historical term, that needs to be retired. 184.53.32.212 ( talk) 14:04, 24 December 2018 (UTC) |
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The SPLC is a radical leftist organization that the FBI has dropped from its list of partners because they are far-left extremists. They should not be considered a reliable source. The ADL also has had links to organized crime from its inception and has been involved in countless crimes and underhanded conduct. They are not reliable source on who is or isn’t a “White supremacist” or anything else. They should be dropped from ever being used as sources for Wikipedia. Therese groups have no moral right or basis to be the arbiters of what is “hate” or what isn’t. 184.53.32.212 ( talk) 14:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC) |
I have a simple question: Is the goal of Wikipedia to repeat what "reliable secondary sources" say, or is it to be accurate? If "reliable secondary sources" say something that every reasonable person knows is false (by simply using common sense), are editors just supposed to ignore common sense and make edits they know are false? Because, that's what's going on here with the lead. NFLExpert49 ( talk) 04:26, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
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To edit for partisan bias and defamatory untruth which will only seek to create further racial divides in this country. This man does not consider himself a racist nor do many who follow him, it should say this here. 216.70.29.154 ( talk) 06:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
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peoplewould be selected by white supremacists, I suppose? No, they are the same ideology. " White nationalism" was coined by white supremacists in the 1970s as a way to make white supremacy sound more palatable. Some white supremacists have tried to build an ideology out of this distinction without a difference, and over the years, some academics and journalists have fallen for it. It's no longer all that palatable, though. Hence "white advocate", "white separatist", "white identitarian" etc. Reliable sources recognize this ideology for what it is, more or less, even if they don't always agree on the terminology. Grayfell ( talk) 08:52, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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Change "Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white supremacist[2] and editor of American Renaissance, a white supremacist online magazine Taylor founded in 1990." to "Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white advocate and editor of American Renaissance, a white nationalist online magazine Taylor founded in 1990."
This is to better reflect the idealogy that Jared Taylor subscribes to. Sueszelma123 ( talk) 20:43, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
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American White Supremacist“Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white supremacist” Well that’s a libelous whopper. If you call someone a pedophile and they are not a pedophile, they can sue you. The same is true for “White Supremacist”. As a historical term, that honest and truly needs to be retired. It adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. Millions and millions of more and more people are coming to hold views that could be described as such. Does Taylor merely believing that the West should remain European make him a “White supremacist”? Does pointing out the fact that you can’t have Western Civilization without White people make you one? Liberal journalists and academics and editorialists cited by Wikipedia are not reliable sources that keep in line with Wikipedia’s claim to neutrality. Anyone with a left-wing bias should never be cited due to Wikipedia’s claim to neutrality. Can anyone PLEASE explain to be how White nationalism is different from Zionism? Wikipedia does not condemn Zionism. It does condemn White nationalism. Why? Zionists believe that the Jews have a right to their historic homeland. White nationalists believe the same about their own nations, but for White people. Why is one bad but not the other? X06 ( talk) 14:39, 9 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Remove : is an American white supremacist [ this is in contradiction to wiki definition of supremacist 'belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them.' from watching a few interviews with Taylor it is clear that this is meant as a smear also some other definitions of Taylor might be incorrect . pages like this with sloppy descriptions, I believe will be more harmful in the long run 92.251.54.232 ( talk) 04:27, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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==White Supremacist is a libelous whopper== This is not a forum or soapboxy comment, all arguments I am making are pertaining to the article’s lede. I don’t care what the “reliable sources” say. If “reliable sources” commit libel, they should not be used by Wikipedia. The ADL and the SPLC are a bunch of liars. How can the SPLC still be treated as a valid source by Wikipedia after the mountains of scandals that have erupted as of late? If advocating for the interests of White people makes Jared Taylor a “White Supremacist”, then does not advocating for the rights of Jewish people as the Defamation League does make them “Jewish supremacists? Why is it okay to advocate for Israel being a Jewish state, but White people have to become minorities in all of their historic homelands???? Mr. Taylor is described as a “White supremacist” because he believes White have a right to remain the majorities in our historic homelands. The “reliable” sources, for that reason, label him a White supremacist. Okay. Then by that logic, advocating Israel being a majority Jewish state would de facto mean that ANYONE who holds that position be labeled by Wikipedia as a Jewish supremacist. Any Japanese person who wants Japan to remain ethnically Japanese would have to be labeled a “Japanese Supremacist”. But why doesn’t Wikipedia do that? Wikipedia doesn’t want to create the impression that the reality is that Jews are powerful and White people are marginalized, now does it? I know I made a few brief arguments but they all pertained to the lede and improving this article. I and tens of thousands of other people who read that lede demand explanations and I propose that it be changed to White advocate. Unless Wikipedia believes that there can’t be such a thing? X06 ( talk) 07:41, 12 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Jared Taylor is the Editor of American Renaissance and the president of New Century Foundation. Describing him as a 'white supremacist' is not correct; he describes himself as an advocate for the white race. I have watched many of his videos and I have not seen him do or say anything to suggest he is a white supremacist. Samthewikieditor ( talk) 19:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Jared Taylor is the Editor of American Renaissance and the president of the New Century Foundation. Describing him as a 'white supremacist' is not correct; he describes himself as an advocate for the white race. I have watched many of his videos and I have not seen him do or say anything to suggest he is a white supremacist.
If you watch the following video and fast-forward to 12:58, you can see that he doesn't even identify himself as a white nationalist. Furthermore, he explains his views on white nationalist at 13:59. Taylor also talks about his religious views as being a Presbyterian at 20:20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmWBYrMv7O8
A more accurate biography should read: "Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is the Editor for American Renaissance (an online magazine he founded in 1990), and the president of New Century Foundation. Taylor is a Presbyterian and an advocate for the white race all over the world."
PS. I have updated the request of July 1st to remove 'white nationalist' which was also incorrect. Also, I have included his religion for those interested to know about that as well.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Samthewikieditor ( talk • contribs) 21:51, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
A picture can be worth a thousand words. The subject of race is probably beyond the possibility of rationality transcending biases or political cultural identity. Wikipedia tries, and the test of the article is as objective as the subtext of terms allows. I contend that the photo of Taylor is that of an arrogant smug individual.
I'm sure there are more neutral photos of Jared Taylor that would not have this characteristic. As an assignment for a social psychology student, put the current photo with a neutral one and one that indicates benevolent wisdom. Have multiple choice of characteristics that describes the person. I've seen doctoral theses based on less than this. Arodb ( talk) 15:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
WP:NOTFORUM, WP:DEADHORSE, naked anti-Semitism, etc. |
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“White Supremacist” as a historical term needs to be retired. He wants America and Europe to remain majority European. That does NOT make him a White Supremacist. He does not want to bring back Jim Crow or colonialism. He just wants freedom of association for all races. Would Wikipedia be this hostile and offensive towards a Zionist who wanted Israel to remain majority Jewish if Jews were threatened with minority status in Israel? Why is there no phrase in academic circles called “Jewish Supremacist”? More and more Arab land is being stolen on a constant basis, daily murder, genocide and brutality by the Israelis occurs against Palestine, and yet even the most feverish Israeli expansionists are never called “Jewish Supremacist”? Why the double standard against White people? Let’s just cut the crap. The media, academia, and the establishment are biased against White people. Just as I’m sure if Wikipedia had been founded in the Soviet Union, they’d have had all sorts of nasty names for the (soon to be deceased) people who were anti-Communist in their articles. Truth is whatever those in power decide it to be. And Jared Taylor, whatever the biased and lying “reliable sources” say, is merely a White advocate. He advocates for the continued existence of White people. He doesn’t want White people to rule over or oppress anyone. 184.53.33.152 ( talk) 01:41, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
184.53.33.152 ( talk) 01:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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I was adding some citations regarding Jared Taylor's views on race but then my edit gets reverted. What was it within my edit that was found to be disagreeable? All the sources that I added corroborate Mr. Taylor's racial views reliably and accurately yet I was still reverted. MichelinDiode ( talk) 04:32, 25 October 2019 (UTC)