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Hi - I replaced the old picture with what I thought was a better picture of Greg Pak. It's more recent, reflects his current appearance (without a beard), and presents an angled profile view rather than a front-on mugshot, which I find to be better for determining what people look like (it may be a bit dark but that can be improved if people think so - I find it depends on the monitor I'm viewing it on). It was reverted with a very nasty message, so I thought I would just see how other people with a more vested interest in this page felt... PermanentVacay ( talk) 07:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi - just trying to get some thoughts on which of the above pictures is better. Thanks! PermanentVacay ( talk) 07:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Comment Regarding Permanent Vacay's recent message to me: PermanentVacay, I apologize for the apparently nasty tone of my previous edit summary. I will work harder to choose my words in a more thoughtful and polite manner. I perceived a certain intent on your part that at the time, I thought was obvious and self-evident, but in seeing how so many others seem to prefer your photo in this case, I've had to reevaluate this perception, which in retrospect, gives the appearance of not adhering to WP:AGF.
That said, I don't think referring to photographs as "mug shots" simply because they are taken from in front of the subject is a very neutral characterization, since it's more accurate to simply call them "portraits', but I'm not going to quibble. In any event, I hope we can collaborate more amenably in the future. :-)
In answer to the apparent contradiction you wished to ask me about, I agree that people should be bold in replacing photos if the replacement is superior, which was certainly the case with the following examples ( [1], [2], [3]), and in some cases, I've actually removed my own photos when I thought that those of other editors' were better ( [4], [5], [6]). I simply didn't see that to be the case with the Larry Hama or Greg Pak photos, because your replacements, in my view, were not better. It was not intended as alienation on my part (not deliberately, at any rate), and I figured that my edit summary was communication enough. All things being equal, it is not my practice (nor am I aware that it is the practice of other editors) to leave messages on other editors' talk pages every single time I revert one of their edits. However, when further communication is appropriate or requested, then I naturally do engage in it, either on the other person's talk page, or the article talk page, as in the case with this message here. Ironically, I've been accused, after writing the occasionally more-length message, of being too verbose! I hope that clears everything up. Again, I hope we can collaborate better from here on in, and I intend to choose my words more carefully to facilitate that. Happy Holidays! Nightscream ( talk) 22:05, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
The two are not necessarily the same, since technology is not the only factor in determining the quality of the photo. The type of camera (simple consumer vs professional-level SLR), the experience/talent of the photographer, the conditions under which the pic was taken such as lighting, movement of the subject and background elements, etc., all create a wide range of variance. I mean, if I take a new photo, and I'm not holding the camera as still as I should, and it comes out of focus, I should still replace it as the new Infobox pic simply because it's "more recent"? I'm sorry, but I don't agree. In any event, this matter seems to be settled, as the Infobox pic has been changed to PermanentVacay's one. Happy Holidays. Nightscream ( talk) 22:35, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi - I replaced the old picture with what I thought was a better picture of Greg Pak. It's more recent, reflects his current appearance (without a beard), and presents an angled profile view rather than a front-on mugshot, which I find to be better for determining what people look like (it may be a bit dark but that can be improved if people think so - I find it depends on the monitor I'm viewing it on). It was reverted with a very nasty message, so I thought I would just see how other people with a more vested interest in this page felt... PermanentVacay ( talk) 07:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi - just trying to get some thoughts on which of the above pictures is better. Thanks! PermanentVacay ( talk) 07:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Comment Regarding Permanent Vacay's recent message to me: PermanentVacay, I apologize for the apparently nasty tone of my previous edit summary. I will work harder to choose my words in a more thoughtful and polite manner. I perceived a certain intent on your part that at the time, I thought was obvious and self-evident, but in seeing how so many others seem to prefer your photo in this case, I've had to reevaluate this perception, which in retrospect, gives the appearance of not adhering to WP:AGF.
That said, I don't think referring to photographs as "mug shots" simply because they are taken from in front of the subject is a very neutral characterization, since it's more accurate to simply call them "portraits', but I'm not going to quibble. In any event, I hope we can collaborate more amenably in the future. :-)
In answer to the apparent contradiction you wished to ask me about, I agree that people should be bold in replacing photos if the replacement is superior, which was certainly the case with the following examples ( [1], [2], [3]), and in some cases, I've actually removed my own photos when I thought that those of other editors' were better ( [4], [5], [6]). I simply didn't see that to be the case with the Larry Hama or Greg Pak photos, because your replacements, in my view, were not better. It was not intended as alienation on my part (not deliberately, at any rate), and I figured that my edit summary was communication enough. All things being equal, it is not my practice (nor am I aware that it is the practice of other editors) to leave messages on other editors' talk pages every single time I revert one of their edits. However, when further communication is appropriate or requested, then I naturally do engage in it, either on the other person's talk page, or the article talk page, as in the case with this message here. Ironically, I've been accused, after writing the occasionally more-length message, of being too verbose! I hope that clears everything up. Again, I hope we can collaborate better from here on in, and I intend to choose my words more carefully to facilitate that. Happy Holidays! Nightscream ( talk) 22:05, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
The two are not necessarily the same, since technology is not the only factor in determining the quality of the photo. The type of camera (simple consumer vs professional-level SLR), the experience/talent of the photographer, the conditions under which the pic was taken such as lighting, movement of the subject and background elements, etc., all create a wide range of variance. I mean, if I take a new photo, and I'm not holding the camera as still as I should, and it comes out of focus, I should still replace it as the new Infobox pic simply because it's "more recent"? I'm sorry, but I don't agree. In any event, this matter seems to be settled, as the Infobox pic has been changed to PermanentVacay's one. Happy Holidays. Nightscream ( talk) 22:35, 20 December 2011 (UTC)