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Where exactly is this being discussed, and who suggested it? Maybe I'm missing this. Tvoz | talk 03:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
When did they repeal the rules about civility? — Omegatron 17:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
In any case: I generally oppose separate controversy sections and articles, because in my experience they invariably become dumping grounds for anything that even has a scent of negative that anyone feels like raising about a person, they are often poorly sourced at best, and they have little or no context.
Merge: Since I don't like him, I want people to see why they shouldn't like him when they visit his page. Isaac Pankonin 06:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
How do we handle the criticsm then? There are many who don't think Al Gore is a prophet on environmentalism is there a place for pointing that out? Kirin4 19:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
then it should not be all positive. Look at other figures: Bush, Bill O'Rielley etc criticsm is allowed on those pages why not this one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirin4 ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Merge begun per consistancy standards (See ALL other political figures) ...there is ZERO REASON that controversies should be diverted (hidden) elsewhere regardless of politics.) ( 20seven 19:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC))
I realize that this is not supposed to be a political issue, but all people will have some unavoidable bias when deciding about this issue. I have noticed that, in general, pages about republicans tend to have controversies included whereas domocrat's are seperate. In any case, I beleive that a standard should be set for all pages to follow. 75.3.226.246 04:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Added trivia tag under the pop culture section. If no one objects I am going to go through this section and remove all unsourced material and pop culture references that Al Gore did not take part in. Turtlescrubber 19:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
-- Tamás Kádár 08:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Al Gore won Emmy-award (17.Sept.2007.)-- Tamás Kádár 21:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
-- Tamás Kádár 08:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The article mentions that he and his wife drive hybrid vehicles. (Actually, I think his son drove a hybrid in southern California recently.) But the article does not mention that his household using more electricity per month than the average American uses in a year. This has been in the news repeatedly. The article also does not mention how much Al Gore would personally gain if his carbon offset trading program was put in place. Let the article tell the whole story. [1] RonCram 12:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Everyone who invests in alternative energy stands more to gain than those who don't. I guess you would be happy if Gore invested in oil stocks instead of alternative energy. Oh, then you would call him a hypocrite. Obviously, anyone you disagree with can't win. And why would you compare Al Gore to the "average american," when he is not an average American. You ought to compare all Al Gore with others who are as wealthy as he is. Unlessn you be wanten to hold up some homeless man sleeping under a bridge as the model US citizen when it comes to conserving energy. I am happy George Bush is president and not Al Gore, but I don't understand why so many conservatives feel compelled to take cheap pot shots at the man. I am thinking Americans are incapable of honest critical thinking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.61.232 ( talk) 21:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The article states "Gore publicly conceded the election after the Supreme Court of the United States in Bush v. Gore ruled 5-4 that the Florida recount was unconstitutional and that no constitutionally valid recount could be completed by the December 12 deadline, effectively ending the recounts." In actuality, there were two Supreme Court decisions, both announced on the same day. The first was 7-2 that the Florida recount was unconstitutional, and the second was 5-4 that no constitutionally valid recount could be completed by the December 12 deadline. The article incorrectly reports it as one 5-4 decision.
At one point this was reported accurately in wikipedia.org. Why has it been allowed to revert to the current inaccurate statement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.67.91 ( talk) 06:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Al Gore is the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007?! What? I am stunned! Anyway, a winner is a winner. Masterpiece2000 09:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
What is the connection between global warming and global peace? You will find out when the N. Pole is the only place on Earth above water and cool enough for human existence! The CIA knows what exactly what effects global warming will have on world peace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.61.232 ( talk) 21:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
What about possibly preventing future conflicts over oil or other energy resources (if his global warming worries lead to better energy sources/more-efficient use)? I also agree with the principal behind the above anon contributor--global warming could lead to environmental changes (like droughts, floods, heat, cold) that cause problems with food sources, etc Jason McHuff 05:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
i) The tone of this article is genarally pro-Gore biased and admiring. Any criticism is immediately mitigated with yet another admiring quote. Wiki is supposed to be objective, but this article certainly is not. ii) "An Inconvenient Truth" is not a documentary, it is a propaganda film. This is of course obvious to any casual observer, but it has now also been determined by a court in the UK. So a reference to this court decision, would make sense. iii) How do I get permission to edit this (and other restricted entries)? It seems to me, many political entries need re-balancing, and I could provide such balance. 16:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I propose a disambiguation page: Al Gore (disambiguation). The current note at the top of this article puts a world spotlight on his ill-starred son, who presumably would suffer further. -- Ancheta Wis 10:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
As far as I can tell; he's the second person ever to win a Nobel Prize and an Academy Award after George Bernard Shaw; is it worthy to be mentioned however? Your thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.9.170 ( talk • contribs) 11:51, 12 October 2007
The paragraph on climate change is disjointed. Why is Cameron Diaz mentioned at all? That sentence seems very minor compared to other details mentioned, and the opening paragraphs are supposed to summarize the main article.-- Gloriamarie 18:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
What about the Prince of Asturias Award? He won it before the Noble Prize.
Is an award given in Spain, mostly notable in Spanish speaking countries, however it also awards people from all over the world.. [5] -- Juglar 19:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The Peace Prize shared by Gore and the IPCC must be the first time ever that this prize has been given for non-peace work. Isn't this worthy of a mention? Surely I'm not the only one asking how on Earth Gore and the IPCC won the PEACE PRIZE! -- 124.180.37.195 04:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
The very large section currently in the article regarding the Peace Prize-- with two very long boxed quotes, and including what Presidential candidates congratulated him (??) is obviously a case of recentism at work. The Nobel needs to be included in the Awards and Honors section as a subsection, in not more than one, maybe two, paragraphs (and that includes his eventual Nobel lecture). Who congratulated him and minor details like that belong on WikiNews (of course that article can be linked from here). Extensive quotes like those currently given in this article belong not in a biography of him, but on Gore's WikiQuotes page. For a similar example, take a look at Jimmy Carter, where the Peace Prize is briefly mentioned in the intro, under Humanitarian Work, etc.-- Gloriamarie 18:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Al Gore also appears in the South Park episode 1006 "ManBearPig", by the way. Maybe worth mentioning, as the whole episode is dedicated to him... Big-B_36 22:02, 12 october 2007 (CET)
Question: What does the POV tag have to do with anything? As far as I know, the dispute here is not related to any POV and the neutrality of the section is not disputed. Melsaran ( talk) 17:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
What about the fact that his daughter worked on Futurama? It seems likely (though I have no sources) that this may have influenced his decision to voice for the show. Do people think that is worth mentioning? If so, feel free to add it, since I probably can not edit this page with my newbie account. She val 21:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Al Gore drive a gas guzler and has his own plane that wastese thousands of gallons of gas. He is not against global warming but wants you to be against it (Your Mom 1996) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.50.145 ( talk) 01:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a thought: It may be interesting to point out how Matt Groening's The Simpsons has been involved in promoting the notion of Al Gore having a "stiff and emotionless persona" that Gore might have been trying to shake off by taking part in Futurama. Anyhow, the references to Gore in episodes such as Bart on the Road seem worth acknowledging. -- TheFinalFraek 18:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia, so sorry if this is not the correct format. Al Gore did not win an Oscar. "An Inconvenient Truth", the documentary in which he starred, won an Oscar, but it was awarded to executive producer Davis Guggenheim. Al Gore was brought up on stage and has rightfully received much of the credit for the film, but he did not win an Oscar for it (the official Oscar website and IMDB.com both correctly state this fact). Brosenbe 21:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Ben
I just had to concur with everybody. I have seen countless news articles and tv comedy skits stating that he won the Oscar, when he actually did not. It really does my head in. They make it seem as if he is challenging Rita Moreno for major performing arts awards wins ( 1 of each) 69.28.232.214 22:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC) samusek2
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | → | Archive 15 |
Where exactly is this being discussed, and who suggested it? Maybe I'm missing this. Tvoz | talk 03:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
When did they repeal the rules about civility? — Omegatron 17:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
In any case: I generally oppose separate controversy sections and articles, because in my experience they invariably become dumping grounds for anything that even has a scent of negative that anyone feels like raising about a person, they are often poorly sourced at best, and they have little or no context.
Merge: Since I don't like him, I want people to see why they shouldn't like him when they visit his page. Isaac Pankonin 06:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
How do we handle the criticsm then? There are many who don't think Al Gore is a prophet on environmentalism is there a place for pointing that out? Kirin4 19:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
then it should not be all positive. Look at other figures: Bush, Bill O'Rielley etc criticsm is allowed on those pages why not this one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirin4 ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Merge begun per consistancy standards (See ALL other political figures) ...there is ZERO REASON that controversies should be diverted (hidden) elsewhere regardless of politics.) ( 20seven 19:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC))
I realize that this is not supposed to be a political issue, but all people will have some unavoidable bias when deciding about this issue. I have noticed that, in general, pages about republicans tend to have controversies included whereas domocrat's are seperate. In any case, I beleive that a standard should be set for all pages to follow. 75.3.226.246 04:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Added trivia tag under the pop culture section. If no one objects I am going to go through this section and remove all unsourced material and pop culture references that Al Gore did not take part in. Turtlescrubber 19:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
-- Tamás Kádár 08:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Al Gore won Emmy-award (17.Sept.2007.)-- Tamás Kádár 21:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
-- Tamás Kádár 08:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The article mentions that he and his wife drive hybrid vehicles. (Actually, I think his son drove a hybrid in southern California recently.) But the article does not mention that his household using more electricity per month than the average American uses in a year. This has been in the news repeatedly. The article also does not mention how much Al Gore would personally gain if his carbon offset trading program was put in place. Let the article tell the whole story. [1] RonCram 12:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Everyone who invests in alternative energy stands more to gain than those who don't. I guess you would be happy if Gore invested in oil stocks instead of alternative energy. Oh, then you would call him a hypocrite. Obviously, anyone you disagree with can't win. And why would you compare Al Gore to the "average american," when he is not an average American. You ought to compare all Al Gore with others who are as wealthy as he is. Unlessn you be wanten to hold up some homeless man sleeping under a bridge as the model US citizen when it comes to conserving energy. I am happy George Bush is president and not Al Gore, but I don't understand why so many conservatives feel compelled to take cheap pot shots at the man. I am thinking Americans are incapable of honest critical thinking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.61.232 ( talk) 21:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The article states "Gore publicly conceded the election after the Supreme Court of the United States in Bush v. Gore ruled 5-4 that the Florida recount was unconstitutional and that no constitutionally valid recount could be completed by the December 12 deadline, effectively ending the recounts." In actuality, there were two Supreme Court decisions, both announced on the same day. The first was 7-2 that the Florida recount was unconstitutional, and the second was 5-4 that no constitutionally valid recount could be completed by the December 12 deadline. The article incorrectly reports it as one 5-4 decision.
At one point this was reported accurately in wikipedia.org. Why has it been allowed to revert to the current inaccurate statement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.67.91 ( talk) 06:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Al Gore is the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007?! What? I am stunned! Anyway, a winner is a winner. Masterpiece2000 09:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
What is the connection between global warming and global peace? You will find out when the N. Pole is the only place on Earth above water and cool enough for human existence! The CIA knows what exactly what effects global warming will have on world peace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.61.232 ( talk) 21:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
What about possibly preventing future conflicts over oil or other energy resources (if his global warming worries lead to better energy sources/more-efficient use)? I also agree with the principal behind the above anon contributor--global warming could lead to environmental changes (like droughts, floods, heat, cold) that cause problems with food sources, etc Jason McHuff 05:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
i) The tone of this article is genarally pro-Gore biased and admiring. Any criticism is immediately mitigated with yet another admiring quote. Wiki is supposed to be objective, but this article certainly is not. ii) "An Inconvenient Truth" is not a documentary, it is a propaganda film. This is of course obvious to any casual observer, but it has now also been determined by a court in the UK. So a reference to this court decision, would make sense. iii) How do I get permission to edit this (and other restricted entries)? It seems to me, many political entries need re-balancing, and I could provide such balance. 16:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I propose a disambiguation page: Al Gore (disambiguation). The current note at the top of this article puts a world spotlight on his ill-starred son, who presumably would suffer further. -- Ancheta Wis 10:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
As far as I can tell; he's the second person ever to win a Nobel Prize and an Academy Award after George Bernard Shaw; is it worthy to be mentioned however? Your thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.9.170 ( talk • contribs) 11:51, 12 October 2007
The paragraph on climate change is disjointed. Why is Cameron Diaz mentioned at all? That sentence seems very minor compared to other details mentioned, and the opening paragraphs are supposed to summarize the main article.-- Gloriamarie 18:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
What about the Prince of Asturias Award? He won it before the Noble Prize.
Is an award given in Spain, mostly notable in Spanish speaking countries, however it also awards people from all over the world.. [5] -- Juglar 19:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The Peace Prize shared by Gore and the IPCC must be the first time ever that this prize has been given for non-peace work. Isn't this worthy of a mention? Surely I'm not the only one asking how on Earth Gore and the IPCC won the PEACE PRIZE! -- 124.180.37.195 04:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
The very large section currently in the article regarding the Peace Prize-- with two very long boxed quotes, and including what Presidential candidates congratulated him (??) is obviously a case of recentism at work. The Nobel needs to be included in the Awards and Honors section as a subsection, in not more than one, maybe two, paragraphs (and that includes his eventual Nobel lecture). Who congratulated him and minor details like that belong on WikiNews (of course that article can be linked from here). Extensive quotes like those currently given in this article belong not in a biography of him, but on Gore's WikiQuotes page. For a similar example, take a look at Jimmy Carter, where the Peace Prize is briefly mentioned in the intro, under Humanitarian Work, etc.-- Gloriamarie 18:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Al Gore also appears in the South Park episode 1006 "ManBearPig", by the way. Maybe worth mentioning, as the whole episode is dedicated to him... Big-B_36 22:02, 12 october 2007 (CET)
Question: What does the POV tag have to do with anything? As far as I know, the dispute here is not related to any POV and the neutrality of the section is not disputed. Melsaran ( talk) 17:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
What about the fact that his daughter worked on Futurama? It seems likely (though I have no sources) that this may have influenced his decision to voice for the show. Do people think that is worth mentioning? If so, feel free to add it, since I probably can not edit this page with my newbie account. She val 21:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Al Gore drive a gas guzler and has his own plane that wastese thousands of gallons of gas. He is not against global warming but wants you to be against it (Your Mom 1996) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.50.145 ( talk) 01:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a thought: It may be interesting to point out how Matt Groening's The Simpsons has been involved in promoting the notion of Al Gore having a "stiff and emotionless persona" that Gore might have been trying to shake off by taking part in Futurama. Anyhow, the references to Gore in episodes such as Bart on the Road seem worth acknowledging. -- TheFinalFraek 18:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia, so sorry if this is not the correct format. Al Gore did not win an Oscar. "An Inconvenient Truth", the documentary in which he starred, won an Oscar, but it was awarded to executive producer Davis Guggenheim. Al Gore was brought up on stage and has rightfully received much of the credit for the film, but he did not win an Oscar for it (the official Oscar website and IMDB.com both correctly state this fact). Brosenbe 21:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Ben
I just had to concur with everybody. I have seen countless news articles and tv comedy skits stating that he won the Oscar, when he actually did not. It really does my head in. They make it seem as if he is challenging Rita Moreno for major performing arts awards wins ( 1 of each) 69.28.232.214 22:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC) samusek2